Cheers,
Cam
Thanks.
It would make much more sense to have the kender be a sorcerer, except that won't be possible if you're playing anywhere in the third age.
Technically speaking, seeing as how the order seriously disciminate against Kender wizards, I doubt that they would even grant the Kender the test and he would probably a renegade wizard. Of course, assuming that he even got an invitation to take the test, he might even forget about the test. I find it funny, it might even be hilarious. Here you have a kender wizard, who the orders send Wizard after Wizard to bring the kender to heel and he defeats them all. Whahahahahaha :D :D :D :D :D . I bet kipper would be willing to help him out.
I'm sorry but did the almighty Cam Banks miss it. Afflicted kender do not exist in the WoTL timeframe (unless Cam knows something about afflicted kender that I do not know).
I'm guessing he missed where I said this was a WotL era game.
Technically speaking, seeing as how the order seriously disciminate against Kender wizards, I doubt that they would even grant the Kender the test and he would probably a renegade wizard. Of course, assuming that he even got an invitation to take the test, he might even forget about the test. I find it funny, it might even be hilarious. Here you have a kender wizard, who the orders send Wizard after Wizard to bring the kender to heel and he defeats them all. Whahahahahaha :D :D :D :D :D . I bet kipper would be willing to help him out.
yeah, I had no illusions of the order accepting him, and he may not even stay a wizard, so it'd be irrelevant unless his spellcasting got to a certain point. (I believe the book says higher than 3rd level casting, but heck if I know how they determine that in world)
I'm guessing he missed where I said this was a WotL era game.
Yes. It was more a general statement about kender spellcasters. Technically, there have been afflicted kender in other ages, but by the time the War of the Lance rolls around most of them are all better now, thankyouverymuch.
Cheers,
Cam
Yes. It was more a general statement about kender spellcasters. Technically, there have been afflicted kender in other ages, but by the time the War of the Lance rolls around most of them are all better now, thankyouverymuch.
Cheers,
Cam
Really? I've never heard of this, is there a novel or sourcebook that mentions this?
Really? I've never heard of this, is there a novel or sourcebook that mentions this?
Not outright, although the affliction resembles that of the Marak kender of Taladas, and in Bertrem's Guide to the War of Souls there's a suggestion that post-Cataclysm kender had the same issue.
Cheers,
Cam
Isnt the affliction in the AOM boosted by the magic that Malys used against the kender?
See I was under the impression that the source of the affliction was Malys's destruction of Goodlund & Kendermore.
Towers of High Sorcery, I believe, actually talks about Kender Wizards, and there have been a few. Literally, less than a handfull. But they can exist. As far as self taught, well, the rules really don't apply to Kenders anyway, right. I mean they could taunt the spellbook until it told them all it's secrets or something I guess. Or he(she?) could just spontaniously create it like the Kender Spoon of Turning Artifact.
Finally, yes, Sorcerers can exist in any era, though they are extremely extremely rare. Chaos magic has always been there, so a few individualls have "picked it up" on the way, throughout the ages. I imagine they are slighlty more popular than Kender Wizards at any rate. I would suggest that your Kender Wizards be forced to multiclass every other level or two into a different class, and not go straight Wizard, but that is just me.
Finally, yes, Sorcerers can exist in any era, though they are extremely extremely rare.
Outside of natural spellcasting creatures, it would be a house rule to allow it.
Note that I'm not saying you shouldn't, not at all (play the game how you like, etc.)
first is it necessary to make them wizards how about Kender with a feat similar to magical training or minor spellcaster?
You can make them cantrip wizards.
If you want a wizard, why not just make the individual character stop at the level they would have to test. they trained at the Kender tower of low sorcery, for example....
Self-taught Kender wizard, how about just a sorcerer. Ie sorcerers exist in dragonlance they are just (above a certain level) hunted down by Wizards...
Just b/c the wizards all claim there are no sorcerers, adepts, ect does not mean it is true....
a kender would lose interest in most things but i'm sure with each new spell cast it would renew the interest. i don't think a True kender couldn't become a powerful mage it would just take longer. the kender would take "Vacations" from study and wander the lands possibly finding lost magical lore no one else could. a kender able to cast fireball is a scary thought but it would motivate some kender into greater devotion and study.
Also nothing says a kender can't be blessed by the gods of magic and become an archmage. born natural is another option.
Their are some serious Kender specialists on the Nexus. if all else fails try there!
I'v got a few homebrewed Kender Wizards of Focused Godly magic and a few ambient sorcerers. i like the BlackRobed Kender who harrasses Willam the Black.:evillaugh
The Kender could always be a maddened afflicted kender bent on gaining the ability to influct fear on others as a way of coping with the fear that he lives with daily.
An Afflicted Kender who experianced the raw power of malys and now wishes to obtain said power for his/her personal protection.
Will somebody please say something on some thread? Any thread? A new thread? It's getting boring coming in everyday and seeing that nobody's said anything for four days. It also feels weird. Let's get conversational.
We'd need new threads for that. The kender wizard thread is already a whole year old. The kender is far away now (he probably died horribly at the end of an amazing adventure). I'll leave thread necromany in the hands of Chemosh.
It's just unfortunate that the DragonLance campaign I was playing in died a year ago. I was planning to start my own DL campaign, but that won't happen until my current FR campaign is over. But nevermind that. You know what? I'm going to start a new thread right this instant.
I believe the test is required at 5th level but again i dont remember, i need to crack open my ToHs book.
On the other hand i can picture kender mages "forgetting" to take the test, and having to be "Tricked" into taking it.
Sample of this. A Wizard under a morphing spell takes the form of a kender mage, locates other kender dabblers and renegades and tells them stories of the Great Test of HighSorcery taken in the Tallest Tower in the world. and how a kender can see things during the test that no one else gets to. Like great demons and wizards from the past and even the gods. Most kender mages would jump up, shake hands and be off to take the test with a few new "things" in their pouches.:D
By the time you become able to cast 3rd-level spells, you should already have passed your Test if you were involded with the Tower of High Sorcery before that point. If not, that's when you'll be told to go take your Test asap. Refusal will make you a renegade, and a legitimate kill for any Black Robe you antagonize.
Example: 12th level wizard who poses as a store keep who traffics in artifacts and rarely uses his spells. How would the orders find out his secret?
Problem is, a wizard increases the strength of his magic by using it. What we refer to as leveling up is simply an increase in the abilities you've been using. A wizard who never uses his spells might gain plenty of levels, but they'd likely be levels of expert rather than wizard.
And even if you don't consider the above point, note that wizards add spells to their spellbooks by copying them from scrolls or someone else's spellbook. The game only gives you 2 spells per level, assuming you've reserached them while adventuring. Without any contact with other wizards, you character would be hard pressed to locate arcane scrolls and spellbooks in order to increase his number of available spells. That alone might draw the attention of the Towers of High Sorcery. And traffic in artifacts certainly would.
If a wizard want to learn new spells, he need to research on those spells, but he doesn't have to go to one of the towers of high sorcery for that.
If he has enough money he can just bay the spells in a magic shop or he exchange spells with other wizards. The spell exchanging would only be unnoticed if it were low-level spells.
the point about selling good and powerfull artifacts would definitely be noticed by the mages of high sorcery. The only one that buys this items are wizards (normally).
What I would do if I was a wizard that don't want to be noticed by the orders, is just travel a lot And search all the time about magic items and scrolls. And when I would have enough money I would bay the spell plane shift or find a magic item that could teleport me to a other plane or dimension. There I could learn spells and unkown knowledge, without the mages of high sorcery noticing anything. The only problems to my plan, is that it would take a lot of time, research and money. And there are not many magical items that can teleport you to a outher plane.
I wonder how many kenders might pick up magical specs and learn to cast spells from spell books?
I love the fact the Dragonlance has junior fiction though, like Pillar of Fire and the other kender one. Young readers become DL supporters!
How far-fetched would a kender wizard who happened across a spellbook and taught himself magic without outside aid? I'm running a 3rd Lvl WotL game and our party needs an arcane caster so this idea popped into my head. Obviously the Orders will have issues with this, but just "as-is" how does that back story and character stand up for plausability?
So . . . wrong. Just so very . . . . wrong.
*shudders in revulsion*
if a kender doesnt lose interest then nothing would stop it from becoming a mage, and magic itself is quit fun to perform and kender would gain the motivation to learn more simply to see what happens.
i dont think a kender would be as interested in the basic spells, a kender would want to learn fun and exciting spells that looked interesting or had exciting effects. But that is not to say every kender mage cant be a tactical mastermind when dealing with spells.
it all depends on the individual. even dwarves can be wizards on krynn, DWARVES! so kender are perfectly acceptable. the problem is fans only seeing a single perspective of kender. Kender come in all shapes, sizes, personalities and classes. Personally i like the idea of Kender sorcerers more, because they gain spellcasting naturally and dont require study, but i do believe kender can be wizards and i have a few kender mages in my own games. (NPCS only so far, no one wants to play a kender mage yet)
Well my question is this: How would the orders even know if a renegade even existed if said renegade never drew any attention to himself.
Example: 12th level wizard who poses as a store keep who traffics in artifacts and rarely uses his spells. How would the orders find out his secret?
Another way for renegades to be discovered is the gods of magic. The 3 gods of magic established the Orders, and have a vested interest in the Conclave's laws being followed. Now if I understand deities correctly, since all 3 gods have the Magic Portfolio, they'd know exactly when/where the renegade is casting. It would be child's play for a deity to tell a favored follower all he needed to know.
That kinda takes some of the fun out of it though, doesn't it? Fun, and the plausibility of any renegade surviving for any length of time.
Of course, a DM could counter this by saying that as long as the renegade is furthering and promoting Magic, the gods would be content to keep silent.
Another way for renegades to be discovered is the gods of magic. The 3 gods of magic established the Orders, and have a vested interest in the Conclave's laws being followed. Now if I understand deities correctly, since all 3 gods have the Magic Portfolio, they'd know exactly when/where the renegade is casting. It would be child's play for a deity to tell a favored follower all he needed to know.
That kinda takes some of the fun out of it though, doesn't it? Fun, and the plausibility of any renegade surviving for any length of time.
Of course, a DM could counter this by saying that as long as the renegade is furthering and promoting Magic, the gods would be content to keep silent.
This is one of the things that has always cpnfused me. When the Gods left, they took focused arcane with them, so no WoHS or Renegades. So if renegades focused magic comes from the gods then why would they need the WoHS to hunt renegades who use focused arcane? The only thing that I can figure is that the gods of magic can only detect when someone is using arcane magic if the person has some sort of connection to the gods of magic. If there is no connection (sorcerers) or the connection has been broken or revoked (ex-WoHS, and Renegades) (I will use renegades in reference to Wizards-not sorcerers-who do not follow the orders) then the gods have no control over the user. That is the only thing that I can come up with. I understand that this is not like on other worlds, but it is the only thing that makes sense to me so far.