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#1
todesherr
Oct 02, 2006 10:16:31 or is Planescape permanently dead?
#2
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2006 10:45:49
or is Planescape permanently dead?

Planescape will NEVER EVER EVER die....
On the other hand, the Primes (and eventually even bloods) adventuring in the Planes WILL die at a fast pace...
Jokes aside, the planewalker site (http://www.planewalker.com/index.php) is doing an excellent job in converting Planescape to 3.x edition
#3
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2006 21:24:53 What you can find is the Manual of the Planes (not exactly brilliant... altho it can be useful), and the Planar Handbook (have only looked at a few times since i don't own it, so i can't fairly comment).

There will most likely NEVER be 3.x revamps of 2e settings, altho i could be wrong. There are several adventures out there (Lord of the Iron Fortress is one) which take place in a planar setting, and the PS cosmology remains *in existance*... but not for FR..

Oh and BTW I LOVE your sig!
#4
calmar
Oct 03, 2006 12:31:52 They bring back Ravenloft, why shouldn't there be any hope for Planescape then?
#5
bob_the_efreet
Oct 03, 2006 15:03:58
They bring back Ravenloft, why shouldn't there be any hope for Planescape then?

I don't think Expedition to Castle Ravenloft counts as ressurrecting the setting.

Although, I wouldn't mind seeing a 3.5 version of Dead Gods...
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 03, 2006 19:36:22 Yeah... one adventure - ok, sure it's THE Ravenloft adventure... But in terms of an actual campaign setting in the vain of the FRCS, closest you're going to get is the Planewalker version. Which is probably better than what we could get from WotC anyway.

Which i've just noticed is basically what someone else said.
But, it's true. the Planewalker version is great!

the Lady will never be LN, for instance...
#7
juannavarro
Oct 04, 2006 10:55:45 Also if you notice in some of Dragon issues they have done some articles touching on factions and such. I think that where you might find some bleed through of the old planescape into 3.5.
I also think it would just be a 9 HELLS of work to bring it back, plus with the designs and all.;)
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 04, 2006 21:39:13 I've really gotten into the older campaign settings. Greyhawk is still iffy...if i can get my hands on the living greyhawk book...maybe moreso...Planescape and Darksun-I LOVE THEM!!!!

I'm actually making darksun the plane of mazes...just altering the cannon a little bit...for the hell of it.

I'm taking some things from Darksun...like the combined psionics and magic = dragon or energy butterfly (Avangion)

I'm working on making everything compatible with d20 modern system....cause i'ms ick that way....

They've been doing stuff with the old campaign settings in dragon, DArksun had their own player's manual/dragon/defiling system/ Planescape has the factions and such, little touch up, hell even ravenloft and birthright (also like) are getting attention.
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 05, 2006 1:27:30
I've really gotten into the older campaign settings. Greyhawk is still iffy...if i can get my hands on the living greyhawk book...maybe moreso...Planescape and Darksun-I LOVE THEM!!!!

I'm actually making darksun the plane of mazes...just altering the cannon a little bit...for the hell of it.

I'm taking some things from Darksun...like the combined psionics and magic = dragon or energy butterfly (Avangion)

I'm working on making everything compatible with d20 modern system....cause i'ms ick that way....

They've been doing stuff with the old campaign settings in dragon, DArksun had their own player's manual/dragon/defiling system/ Planescape has the factions and such, little touch up, hell even ravenloft and birthright (also like) are getting attention.

there's also a beautiful conversion of Dark Sun:

http://www.athas.org/

as for ravenloft, Arthaus has done the camapign setting, five gazeteers and other books..

And ALL this settings kicks tha of Eberron :D
#10
clueless
Oct 12, 2006 14:24:09
Which i've just noticed is basically what someone else said.But, it's true. the Planewalker version is great!

Thank you!
#11
zombiegleemax
Oct 12, 2006 23:01:31 Yeah, the old settings are definately the best.

It's been noticed that Planar stuff keeps cropping up in those - again, better than nothing.
#12
warghoul
Oct 19, 2006 2:42:16 3.x is about to run its course. They are putting out 'complete' books again.
Lets pray to the godz they will at least reprint the planescape MM`s in 4e
#13
zombiegleemax
Oct 20, 2006 6:12:40 Now there's no reason to think that just because they're putting out "Complete" books it means tehy'll head to 4th Edition... I mean in 2e the Complete books came out a while before the Fall, didn't they?

And that would just be plain devious... unscrupulous and inethical (or is it unethical) - to sell books which are essentially crunch and therefore useless in anohter edition, right before they decide to change to another ... *trails off*

DAMN YOU WIZARDS!!!! :P
#14
zombiegleemax
Oct 29, 2006 15:22:26
Yeah... one adventure

I think they're talking about Wizards licensing out Ravenloft to White Wolf/Arthaus, which they published under their Sword & Sorcery line. It was quite a nice revival of the setting... except for the fact that they had to publish a 3.5 corebook almost immediately after their original one. But except for that, highly recommended.

http://www.white-wolf.com/ravenloft/

I believe Planewalker.com were, or are, planning to publish an actual new Planescape setting. Until then, there's no law that says you can't do your own conversions or use Planescape with 3rd Edition, or, horror of horrors, run a 2nd Edition game. Wizards doesn't have any task force that will bust your door down and stop you.
#15
ripvanwormer
Oct 29, 2006 16:33:58
I believe Planewalker.com were, or are, planning to publish an actual new Planescape setting.

Which you can find here.
#16
dwarfpcfan
Oct 30, 2006 8:51:49 A few facts from the side of the Ravenloft forum...

I bought the module and...
Castle Ravenloft is NOT Ravenloft. The adventure has absolutely nothing to dowith our favorite setting. At best, it uses some of the ideas of the old adventure: fortunes, etc

The story is completely different, the areas are, the villains are. There is absolutely noting in this that indicates a relation to Ravenloft. They even did away with the mists or the basis of Strad's curse. The only thing they kept was the names.

As the the white wolf/artheus/sword and sorcery rights they were bought back by Wizards before they released the aventure and according to information. No plans for future releases have been made.

We, the few, the proud, the nostalagic are all in the same basket. Our worlds are left to us and wizard threw them out. !!!

On a side not, I don't believe every old setting is better then the new ones.

My favorite settings are:
Ravenloft
Eberron
Planescape
Iron Kingdoms ( third party)

Cheers:D :D !!!
#17
panurg
Nov 03, 2006 15:57:37 First of all I'm shocked of hearing that the new module Castle Ravenloft is not what they made us believe. I'm one of the nostalgic guys you mentioned and I ordered it a week ago and now I'm very upset hearing such a bad news.
I shouldn't have worn the illuck stone last week.

The other thing is I understand that you guys miss the original Planescape flavor in the new modules (like PLanar Handbook and so on) but I think your world as a stand alone world will not come to live in the next decade, simply because it is worked into the other existing campaign worlds.

In FR and Ebberon you have dozens of planar based adventure traits and interferences with the plains, and the gods of these worlds live there.
Also there are quite a lot of MM which portray the inhabitants of the plains, and books in which big cities in the plains are described, and so i fear it will, allthough they may produce several in detail modules about some places on the planes, stagnate at high level and not become an independent campaign world in the near future.
Simply because it's not necessary ... (not my opinion )
#18
bob_the_efreet
Nov 03, 2006 16:06:59
I bought the module and...
Castle Ravenloft is NOT Ravenloft. The adventure has absolutely nothing to dowith our favorite setting. At best, it uses some of the ideas of the old adventure: fortunes, etc

I6 wasn't really closely related to the Ravenloft setting, either. The campaign was based on the adventure, not the other way around.
#19
ripvanwormer
Nov 03, 2006 20:56:48
I think your world as a stand alone world will not come to live in the next decade, simply because it is worked into the other existing campaign worlds.

The new Expedition to Castle Ravenloft is the same way; it gives suggestions for playing it in Eberron, the Forgotten Realms, or in d20 Modern, but no suggestions for playing it in Ravenloft. Though I suppose it's pretty obvious where Castle Ravenloft and Count Strahd fit into the Ravenloft setting, and therefore not really worth pointing out. The only thing is, it would have to take place centuries before the present day, when Strahd was lower level. As in d20 Modern, you'd also have to get rid of the halfling Vistani.
#20
zombiegleemax
Nov 04, 2006 17:46:23 Well at least they're ... sorta .. making an effort - maybe it's an effort to make a profit, so they're updating it in theme, flavour etc., but that's them I suppose.

Altho since I've heard the phrase "halfling vistani" bandied about... there ARE some lines that shouldn't be crossed (Llolth LN, anyone?) ...
#21
doctor12
Nov 07, 2006 8:46:36 With the new Planescape based minis in The Bloodwars set I feel there is hope. I for one would be happy to see a Sigil Sourcebook. Deities and Demigods with the two earlier mentioned "Planer" books touch on much of the other material.

Also I filled out a minis survey not long ago and one of the questions asked was if I recognized the character of "The Lady of Pain"
#22
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2006 11:50:49 I'm just trying to locate all of the out-of-print 2e materials for Planescape. 2e is the only game system for D&D I need to run. 3e isn't an update of an old game; it's a different game entirely.

I wish they'd reprint some of those ancient 2e adventures and settings for commeration purposes or something, completely unaltered. That would be a sweet slice of nostalgia if ever there was one.
#23
factol_rhys_dup
Nov 11, 2006 16:27:10
With the new Planescape based minis in The Bloodwars set I feel there is hope. I for one would be happy to see a Sigil Sourcebook. Deities and Demigods with the two earlier mentioned "Planer" books touch on much of the other material.

A Sigil Sourcebook would be fun, and I think we'd do well to keep an open mind about things that are different in 3e.
Also I filled out a minis survey not long ago and one of the questions asked was if I recognized the character of "The Lady of Pain"

At the same time, it'll be a sad day when the Lady of Pain gets hired on as paid muscle to someone's warband and has to float around the battlefield supporting Bugbear Champions of Erythnul and Rask, Half-Orc Chainfighter.

The factory that produces those little figurines will get mazed.
#24
zombiegleemax
Nov 11, 2006 19:20:03 The Lady of Pain has been made into a miniature...?

Some lines just should not be crossed.

What's the Lady doing in a dungeon anyway?

And hasn't Planewalker done a section on Sigil anyway?
#25
zombiegleemax
Nov 13, 2006 18:35:56 Question here for everyone...

I've got the older Planescape material but I've been recently picking up the "newer" Planescape (or Planar-related) hardcover books and was wondering if I've got everything associated with the campaign setting so far.

I've currently got:

1. Manual of the Planes (2001)
2. Planar Handbook (2004)
3. Fiendish Codex 1: Hordes of the Abyss (2006)

I know the Fiendish Codex 2: Tyrants of the Nine Hells book is due out soon so have I missed anything thus far? And does anyone have any other suggestions or recommendations for newer Planescape (or related) goods?

Thanks.

-Steve
#26
zombiegleemax
Nov 13, 2006 18:59:14 Oh, almost forgot, I even picked up the Ghostwalk campaign book since I thought it would be extremely easy to bring the City of Manifest and the Land of the Dead into my Planescape adventure.

Again, thanks for any ideas.

-Steve
#27
ripvanwormer
Nov 13, 2006 19:06:28 Here's a thought:

With Cityscape and Dungeonscape listed as upcoming products, the next logical "environment" book will be Planescape.

And it will likely have almost nothing to do with the 2e campaign setting of that name. I predict 160 pages of planar touchstones.
#28
ripvanwormer
Nov 13, 2006 19:09:06
And does anyone have any other suggestions or recommendations for newer Planescape (or related) goods?

Beyond Countless Doorways, from Malhavoc Press, was a planar book written by a bunch of Planescape designers and touted as a "Planescape Reunion." It doesn't use the same cosmology, though it's easy enough to adapt.
#29
zombiegleemax
Nov 17, 2006 8:03:54
Beyond Countless Doorways...

Cool, I'll track it down. Thanks.

For non-WOTC d20 Planar related books, I picked up PORTALS & PLANES from the Legends & Lairs series, THE DEVIL'S PLAYERS GUIDE from Fast Forward, and THE BOOK OF FIENDS from Green Ronin.

-Steve
#30
ripvanwormer
Nov 17, 2006 21:22:12
Cool, I'll track it down. Thanks.

For non-WOTC d20 Planar related books, I picked up PORTALS & PLANES from the Legends & Lairs series, THE DEVIL'S PLAYERS GUIDE from Fast Forward, and THE BOOK OF FIENDS from Green Ronin.

-Steve

The Avatar's Handbook from Green Ronin is also worth picking up. It shows the celestial side of Green Ronin's cosmology. You might also like Green Ronin's Races of Renown: Aasimar & Tiefling.
#31
loki_de_carabas
Nov 19, 2006 14:17:05 Most of the new planes in it make excellent demiplanes, sites within other planes or crystal spheres on the Prime Material. I have intergrated the entire book as cannon material in my campaign.

Excellent stuff bearing much of the flavor sometimes lacking in WOTC publications.
#32
zombiegleemax
Nov 30, 2006 20:29:37
You might also like Green Ronin's Races of Renown: Aasimar & Tiefling.

That one sounds VERY promising. I'll definitely look into it. Thanks again!

-Steve

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 todesherr Oct 02, 2006 10:16:31	or is Planescape permanently dead?
#2 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2006 10:45:49	or is Planescape permanently dead? Planescape will NEVER EVER EVER die.... On the other hand, the Primes (and eventually even bloods) adventuring in the Planes WILL die at a fast pace... Jokes aside, the planewalker site (http://www.planewalker.com/index.php) is doing an excellent job in converting Planescape to 3.x edition
#3 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2006 21:24:53	What you can find is the Manual of the Planes (not exactly brilliant... altho it can be useful), and the Planar Handbook (have only looked at a few times since i don't own it, so i can't fairly comment). There will most likely NEVER be 3.x revamps of 2e settings, altho i could be wrong. There are several adventures out there (Lord of the Iron Fortress is one) which take place in a planar setting, and the PS cosmology remains in existance... but not for FR.. Oh and BTW I LOVE your sig!
#4 calmar Oct 03, 2006 12:31:52	They bring back Ravenloft, why shouldn't there be any hope for Planescape then?
#5 bob_the_efreet Oct 03, 2006 15:03:58	They bring back Ravenloft, why shouldn't there be any hope for Planescape then? I don't think Expedition to Castle Ravenloft counts as ressurrecting the setting. Although, I wouldn't mind seeing a 3.5 version of Dead Gods...
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 03, 2006 19:36:22	Yeah... one adventure - ok, sure it's THE Ravenloft adventure... But in terms of an actual campaign setting in the vain of the FRCS, closest you're going to get is the Planewalker version. Which is probably better than what we could get from WotC anyway. Which i've just noticed is basically what someone else said. But, it's true. the Planewalker version is great! the Lady will never be LN, for instance...
#7 juannavarro Oct 04, 2006 10:55:45	Also if you notice in some of Dragon issues they have done some articles touching on factions and such. I think that where you might find some bleed through of the old planescape into 3.5. I also think it would just be a 9 HELLS of work to bring it back, plus with the designs and all.;)
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 04, 2006 21:39:13	I've really gotten into the older campaign settings. Greyhawk is still iffy...if i can get my hands on the living greyhawk book...maybe moreso...Planescape and Darksun-I LOVE THEM!!!! I'm actually making darksun the plane of mazes...just altering the cannon a little bit...for the hell of it. I'm taking some things from Darksun...like the combined psionics and magic = dragon or energy butterfly (Avangion) I'm working on making everything compatible with d20 modern system....cause i'ms ick that way.... They've been doing stuff with the old campaign settings in dragon, DArksun had their own player's manual/dragon/defiling system/ Planescape has the factions and such, little touch up, hell even ravenloft and birthright (also like) are getting attention.
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 05, 2006 1:27:30	I've really gotten into the older campaign settings. Greyhawk is still iffy...if i can get my hands on the living greyhawk book...maybe moreso...Planescape and Darksun-I LOVE THEM!!!! I'm actually making darksun the plane of mazes...just altering the cannon a little bit...for the hell of it. I'm taking some things from Darksun...like the combined psionics and magic = dragon or energy butterfly (Avangion) I'm working on making everything compatible with d20 modern system....cause i'ms ick that way.... They've been doing stuff with the old campaign settings in dragon, DArksun had their own player's manual/dragon/defiling system/ Planescape has the factions and such, little touch up, hell even ravenloft and birthright (also like) are getting attention. there's also a beautiful conversion of Dark Sun: http://www.athas.org/ as for ravenloft, Arthaus has done the camapign setting, five gazeteers and other books.. And ALL this settings kicks tha of Eberron :D
#10 clueless Oct 12, 2006 14:24:09	Which i've just noticed is basically what someone else said.But, it's true. the Planewalker version is great! Thank you!
#11 zombiegleemax Oct 12, 2006 23:01:31	Yeah, the old settings are definately the best. It's been noticed that Planar stuff keeps cropping up in those - again, better than nothing.
#12 warghoul Oct 19, 2006 2:42:16	3.x is about to run its course. They are putting out 'complete' books again. Lets pray to the godz they will at least reprint the planescape MM`s in 4e
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 20, 2006 6:12:40	Now there's no reason to think that just because they're putting out "Complete" books it means tehy'll head to 4th Edition... I mean in 2e the Complete books came out a while before the Fall, didn't they? And that would just be plain devious... unscrupulous and inethical (or is it unethical) - to sell books which are essentially crunch and therefore useless in anohter edition, right before they decide to change to another ... trails off DAMN YOU WIZARDS!!!! :P
#14 zombiegleemax Oct 29, 2006 15:22:26	Yeah... one adventure I think they're talking about Wizards licensing out Ravenloft to White Wolf/Arthaus, which they published under their Sword & Sorcery line. It was quite a nice revival of the setting... except for the fact that they had to publish a 3.5 corebook almost immediately after their original one. But except for that, highly recommended. http://www.white-wolf.com/ravenloft/ I believe Planewalker.com were, or are, planning to publish an actual new Planescape setting. Until then, there's no law that says you can't do your own conversions or use Planescape with 3rd Edition, or, horror of horrors, run a 2nd Edition game. Wizards doesn't have any task force that will bust your door down and stop you.
#15 ripvanwormer Oct 29, 2006 16:33:58	I believe Planewalker.com were, or are, planning to publish an actual new Planescape setting. Which you can find here.
#16 dwarfpcfan Oct 30, 2006 8:51:49	A few facts from the side of the Ravenloft forum... I bought the module and... Castle Ravenloft is NOT Ravenloft. The adventure has absolutely nothing to dowith our favorite setting. At best, it uses some of the ideas of the old adventure: fortunes, etc The story is completely different, the areas are, the villains are. There is absolutely noting in this that indicates a relation to Ravenloft. They even did away with the mists or the basis of Strad's curse. The only thing they kept was the names. As the the white wolf/artheus/sword and sorcery rights they were bought back by Wizards before they released the aventure and according to information. No plans for future releases have been made. We, the few, the proud, the nostalagic are all in the same basket. Our worlds are left to us and wizard threw them out. !!! On a side not, I don't believe every old setting is better then the new ones. My favorite settings are: Ravenloft Eberron Planescape Iron Kingdoms ( third party) Cheers:D :D !!!
#17 panurg Nov 03, 2006 15:57:37	First of all I'm shocked of hearing that the new module Castle Ravenloft is not what they made us believe. I'm one of the nostalgic guys you mentioned and I ordered it a week ago and now I'm very upset hearing such a bad news. I shouldn't have worn the illuck stone last week. The other thing is I understand that you guys miss the original Planescape flavor in the new modules (like PLanar Handbook and so on) but I think your world as a stand alone world will not come to live in the next decade, simply because it is worked into the other existing campaign worlds. In FR and Ebberon you have dozens of planar based adventure traits and interferences with the plains, and the gods of these worlds live there. Also there are quite a lot of MM which portray the inhabitants of the plains, and books in which big cities in the plains are described, and so i fear it will, allthough they may produce several in detail modules about some places on the planes, stagnate at high level and not become an independent campaign world in the near future. Simply because it's not necessary ... (not my opinion )
#18 bob_the_efreet Nov 03, 2006 16:06:59	I bought the module and... Castle Ravenloft is NOT Ravenloft. The adventure has absolutely nothing to dowith our favorite setting. At best, it uses some of the ideas of the old adventure: fortunes, etc I6 wasn't really closely related to the Ravenloft setting, either. The campaign was based on the adventure, not the other way around.
#19 ripvanwormer Nov 03, 2006 20:56:48	I think your world as a stand alone world will not come to live in the next decade, simply because it is worked into the other existing campaign worlds. The new Expedition to Castle Ravenloft is the same way; it gives suggestions for playing it in Eberron, the Forgotten Realms, or in d20 Modern, but no suggestions for playing it in Ravenloft. Though I suppose it's pretty obvious where Castle Ravenloft and Count Strahd fit into the Ravenloft setting, and therefore not really worth pointing out. The only thing is, it would have to take place centuries before the present day, when Strahd was lower level. As in d20 Modern, you'd also have to get rid of the halfling Vistani.
#20 zombiegleemax Nov 04, 2006 17:46:23	Well at least they're ... sorta .. making an effort - maybe it's an effort to make a profit, so they're updating it in theme, flavour etc., but that's them I suppose. Altho since I've heard the phrase "halfling vistani" bandied about... there ARE some lines that shouldn't be crossed (Llolth LN, anyone?) ...
#21 doctor12 Nov 07, 2006 8:46:36	With the new Planescape based minis in The Bloodwars set I feel there is hope. I for one would be happy to see a Sigil Sourcebook. Deities and Demigods with the two earlier mentioned "Planer" books touch on much of the other material. Also I filled out a minis survey not long ago and one of the questions asked was if I recognized the character of "The Lady of Pain"
#22 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2006 11:50:49	I'm just trying to locate all of the out-of-print 2e materials for Planescape. 2e is the only game system for D&D I need to run. 3e isn't an update of an old game; it's a different game entirely. I wish they'd reprint some of those ancient 2e adventures and settings for commeration purposes or something, completely unaltered. That would be a sweet slice of nostalgia if ever there was one.
#23 factol_rhys_dup Nov 11, 2006 16:27:10	With the new Planescape based minis in The Bloodwars set I feel there is hope. I for one would be happy to see a Sigil Sourcebook. Deities and Demigods with the two earlier mentioned "Planer" books touch on much of the other material. A Sigil Sourcebook would be fun, and I think we'd do well to keep an open mind about things that are different in 3e. Also I filled out a minis survey not long ago and one of the questions asked was if I recognized the character of "The Lady of Pain" At the same time, it'll be a sad day when the Lady of Pain gets hired on as paid muscle to someone's warband and has to float around the battlefield supporting Bugbear Champions of Erythnul and Rask, Half-Orc Chainfighter. The factory that produces those little figurines will get mazed.
#24 zombiegleemax Nov 11, 2006 19:20:03	The Lady of Pain has been made into a miniature...? Some lines just should not be crossed. What's the Lady doing in a dungeon anyway? And hasn't Planewalker done a section on Sigil anyway?
#25 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2006 18:35:56	Question here for everyone... I've got the older Planescape material but I've been recently picking up the "newer" Planescape (or Planar-related) hardcover books and was wondering if I've got everything associated with the campaign setting so far. I've currently got: 1. Manual of the Planes (2001) 2. Planar Handbook (2004) 3. Fiendish Codex 1: Hordes of the Abyss (2006) I know the Fiendish Codex 2: Tyrants of the Nine Hells book is due out soon so have I missed anything thus far? And does anyone have any other suggestions or recommendations for newer Planescape (or related) goods? Thanks. -Steve
#26 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2006 18:59:14	Oh, almost forgot, I even picked up the Ghostwalk campaign book since I thought it would be extremely easy to bring the City of Manifest and the Land of the Dead into my Planescape adventure. Again, thanks for any ideas. -Steve
#27 ripvanwormer Nov 13, 2006 19:06:28	Here's a thought: With Cityscape and Dungeonscape listed as upcoming products, the next logical "environment" book will be Planescape. And it will likely have almost nothing to do with the 2e campaign setting of that name. I predict 160 pages of planar touchstones.
#28 ripvanwormer Nov 13, 2006 19:09:06	And does anyone have any other suggestions or recommendations for newer Planescape (or related) goods? Beyond Countless Doorways, from Malhavoc Press, was a planar book written by a bunch of Planescape designers and touted as a "Planescape Reunion." It doesn't use the same cosmology, though it's easy enough to adapt.
#29 zombiegleemax Nov 17, 2006 8:03:54	Beyond Countless Doorways... Cool, I'll track it down. Thanks. For non-WOTC d20 Planar related books, I picked up PORTALS & PLANES from the Legends & Lairs series, THE DEVIL'S PLAYERS GUIDE from Fast Forward, and THE BOOK OF FIENDS from Green Ronin. -Steve
#30 ripvanwormer Nov 17, 2006 21:22:12	Cool, I'll track it down. Thanks. For non-WOTC d20 Planar related books, I picked up PORTALS & PLANES from the Legends & Lairs series, THE DEVIL'S PLAYERS GUIDE from Fast Forward, and THE BOOK OF FIENDS from Green Ronin. -Steve The Avatar's Handbook from Green Ronin is also worth picking up. It shows the celestial side of Green Ronin's cosmology. You might also like Green Ronin's Races of Renown: Aasimar & Tiefling.
#31 loki_de_carabas Nov 19, 2006 14:17:05	Most of the new planes in it make excellent demiplanes, sites within other planes or crystal spheres on the Prime Material. I have intergrated the entire book as cannon material in my campaign. Excellent stuff bearing much of the flavor sometimes lacking in WOTC publications.
#32 zombiegleemax Nov 30, 2006 20:29:37	You might also like Green Ronin's Races of Renown: Aasimar & Tiefling. That one sounds VERY promising. I'll definitely look into it. Thanks again! -Steve