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#1
zeth_starshifter
Oct 12, 2006 8:36:49 Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves? Appreciate any response...
#2
elonarc
Oct 12, 2006 9:11:15
Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves? Appreciate any response...

I can't think of any specific emnities between Thri-Kreen of the tablelands and other races.
For non-tableland Thri-Kreen: *EVERYONE*
#3
judicator_shekar
Oct 12, 2006 9:42:32
Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves?

I'm not sure if you could truly consider elves their 'racial enemy'. I mean, many Thri-Kreen enjoy elven flesh, but judging by the type of creature the Thri-Kreen is, that doesn't seem like something that would breen hatred from elves and vice-versa. It is even stated in Thri-Kreen of Athas that they very rarely hunt for elven meat, as it's simply more difficult to catch/kill them than it is to do the same to weaker, less intelligent prey. With that in mind, I'd say that if elves can be considered a racial enemy, it would be out of sheer xenophobia for the wierdness of the Kreen, and if that is the case, then the enemity factor applies to all races, which would make the Kreen universally hated. I'd say that would be a stretch, so I would definately go with the earlier conclusion, that the Kreen have no true 'racial enemies'.
#4
kalthandrix
Oct 12, 2006 10:19:52 Think of it this way - does the butcher think of the cow as a racial enemy - no! But the same may not hold true for the cows feelings toward the butcher.

So following that analagy - I would have to say that thri-kreen would not think of elves and a "racial" enemy per se, but the elves would hold that view towards the thri-kreen. I think this idea is supported because of the Kreen-slayer Kit from 2e (I do not know if it has been redone - I think it may be in the Appendix I).
#5
Sysane
Oct 12, 2006 10:30:04 Kreen from the Kreen Empire may be considered enemies by the kreen of the tablelands. I could be off base on this, but didn't the kreen of the tablelands flee from the Empire early in the Green Age?
#6
zeth_starshifter
Oct 12, 2006 11:30:44 Perhaps I should put this in context... I'm about to start running a paizo Dark Sun game, one of the players wants to play a kreen, eventually go ranger... I'm setting up some substitution levels for multiweapon fighting path and balance that, and to give the class more of a kreen feel.. so I'm considering going with the favored enemy tweak such as those done for kobolds, gnomes, and others... I'm looking for a few different favored enemies that kreen would be especially familiar with...
#7
kalthandrix
Oct 12, 2006 11:37:07
Kreen from the Kreen Empire may be considered enemies by the kreen of the tablelands. I could be off base on this, but didn't the kreen of the tablelands flee from the Empire early in the Green Age?

IIRC that is true.

I would like to clarify my last posting too - as the comment I made was not really directed with the idea the the Kreen Empire in mind.

My comment was the basic concept of the kreen of the Tablelands as a whole. Those kreen of the Empire, would be different though.

I really see the Empire as a lot like the Greek and Roman Empires - semi-tolarant of other races and cultures, but only citizans rally had any rights - so in the Kreen Empire, only those thri-kreen would have full rights under the Emperial Law - all others basically get what they get.

That being said, I still do not really see the Kreen Empire specifically targeting a single race - marking them as a racial ememy. For them, you are kreen and not-kreen. I do not see that they would bother to distinguish between individual races of soft-skins - all who are not kreen are less then a kreen.

I also think while they (being the kreen of the Empire) do not see a specific race of non-kreen as a racial emeny, other groups in the area who are not kreen may not hold the same idea - so I guess it is all about perspective here.
#8
Sysane
Oct 12, 2006 12:12:46 Imperial Kreen seem to have a hard on for the halflings found in the Jagged Cliffs for whatever reason. That could possibly be attributed to kreen racial memory in that the rhulisti were once enemies of kreen. Thats just speculation on my part though.
#9
kalthandrix
Oct 12, 2006 12:45:46
Imperial Kreen seem to have a hard on for the halflings found in the Jagged Cliffs for whatever reason. That could possibly be attributed to kreen racial memory in that the rhulisti were once enemies of kreen. Thats just speculation on my part though.

It could also be their "Expansionalist" (is that a word) idea that they rule and control all areas they encounter. The halflings may just be in the way of their preceived right to control the land, so the conflict might not arise out of any feelings of mutual hate, the halflings are just in the way.

Who knows really
#10
Sysane
Oct 12, 2006 13:18:38
It could also be their "Expansionalist" (is that a word) idea that they rule and control all areas they encounter. The halflings may just be in the way of their preceived right to control the land, so the conflict might not arise out of any feelings of mutual hate, the halflings are just in the way.

Who knows really

My only rebuttal for the Kreen Expansionist theory is that Imperial Kreen seem more focused on the halflings of the Jagged Cliffs than the other races in the Hinterlands such as the pterrans of Lost Scale, which, if I remember correctly, is actually closer to the Empire than the Jagged Cliffs. Why focus on a race thats tougher to reach over one thats practically at their doorstep?
#11
kalthandrix
Oct 12, 2006 13:38:18
My only rebuttal for the Kreen Expansionist theory is that Imperial Kreen seem more focused on the halflings of the Jagged Cliffs than the other races in the Hinterlands such as the pterrans of Lost Scale, which, if I remember correctly, is actually closer to the Empire than the Jagged Cliffs. Why focus on a race thats tougher to reach over one thats practically at their doorstep?

Touche

The Hinterlands IIRC are just over the Ringing Mountians - so the pterran are not within the Crimson Savanna nore are they in the Kreen Empire - I do not have the map here, but I do believe that this is the case - so to reach Lostscale, the kreen would have to go though the Great Rift - which means they still have to head though the Jagged Cliff to get there.

I could be wrong - but it would be the first time...ever :P :D
#12
kalthandrix
Oct 12, 2006 13:48:58 I have a kreen right here for you - phear!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Target.gif

I was going to look through Brian's map thread - but 14 or more pages of postes was too daunting!
#13
Sysane
Oct 12, 2006 13:56:59 Yeah, I need to take a gander at a map before I comment further.
#14
jihun-nish
Oct 13, 2006 15:22:10 If we go with the idea that somewhere in the past, nature-benders (evil Life-shapers) transformed themselves into a high breed of Kreen sub-race. Lets also suppose that they did so for it was at the time one of the best way to escape the wrath of the Life-shapers war against them. Well I would also go with the idea that the Rhul-Thaun are the kreen's most hated race. Also....Maybe the Kreen has flash-backs when they see an halfling (specialy a rhul-Thaun since they still or similarly have the same life-style of bygon ages--Blue Age.) remembering being hunted when they were considered mere insects.---whitch they were before they evolved in what they are nowadays.

Considering how kreen memory worksI think it is plausible.

If they were to have a most hated ennemy race, of all the races on Athas, Rhul-thaun has all the traits to be just that---strongly dew with their past vs the Kreen race but also because of were they live---between the Kreen and their goal..

--Jihun
#15
Pennarin
Oct 13, 2006 17:17:07 The reggelid and bvanen of the swamps.
#16
dracochapel
Oct 17, 2006 7:32:51 From what ive read; to Thri-kreens elves arent a required part of the diet. But once a thri-kreen does taste elf its like a drug. Something about it appeals to them.
I think the 'bad' (elf addicted) thri-kreen have given all thri-kreen a bad name. And so the elves see the Kreen as an enemy, they fight. the kreen might win. are exhausted/wounded, and look at these chunks of meat lying around. that'll help. mmm thats yummy. lets find some more.....
It doesnt seem like the Kreen sit around like a bunch of Hannibal lecters to their offspring going "this 7" tall running bugger tastes real nice with a nice kiante", and heres your elf-skinning-spoon.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zeth_starshifter Oct 12, 2006 8:36:49	Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves? Appreciate any response...
#2 elonarc Oct 12, 2006 9:11:15	Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves? Appreciate any response... I can't think of any specific emnities between Thri-Kreen of the tablelands and other races. For non-tableland Thri-Kreen: EVERYONE
#3 judicator_shekar Oct 12, 2006 9:42:32	Do the Thri-Kreen have any major racial enemies other than the elves? I'm not sure if you could truly consider elves their 'racial enemy'. I mean, many Thri-Kreen enjoy elven flesh, but judging by the type of creature the Thri-Kreen is, that doesn't seem like something that would breen hatred from elves and vice-versa. It is even stated in Thri-Kreen of Athas that they very rarely hunt for elven meat, as it's simply more difficult to catch/kill them than it is to do the same to weaker, less intelligent prey. With that in mind, I'd say that if elves can be considered a racial enemy, it would be out of sheer xenophobia for the wierdness of the Kreen, and if that is the case, then the enemity factor applies to all races, which would make the Kreen universally hated. I'd say that would be a stretch, so I would definately go with the earlier conclusion, that the Kreen have no true 'racial enemies'.
#4 kalthandrix Oct 12, 2006 10:19:52	Think of it this way - does the butcher think of the cow as a racial enemy - no! But the same may not hold true for the cows feelings toward the butcher. So following that analagy - I would have to say that thri-kreen would not think of elves and a "racial" enemy per se, but the elves would hold that view towards the thri-kreen. I think this idea is supported because of the Kreen-slayer Kit from 2e (I do not know if it has been redone - I think it may be in the Appendix I).
#5 Sysane Oct 12, 2006 10:30:04	Kreen from the Kreen Empire may be considered enemies by the kreen of the tablelands. I could be off base on this, but didn't the kreen of the tablelands flee from the Empire early in the Green Age?
#6 zeth_starshifter Oct 12, 2006 11:30:44	Perhaps I should put this in context... I'm about to start running a paizo Dark Sun game, one of the players wants to play a kreen, eventually go ranger... I'm setting up some substitution levels for multiweapon fighting path and balance that, and to give the class more of a kreen feel.. so I'm considering going with the favored enemy tweak such as those done for kobolds, gnomes, and others... I'm looking for a few different favored enemies that kreen would be especially familiar with...
#7 kalthandrix Oct 12, 2006 11:37:07	Kreen from the Kreen Empire may be considered enemies by the kreen of the tablelands. I could be off base on this, but didn't the kreen of the tablelands flee from the Empire early in the Green Age? IIRC that is true. I would like to clarify my last posting too - as the comment I made was not really directed with the idea the the Kreen Empire in mind. My comment was the basic concept of the kreen of the Tablelands as a whole. Those kreen of the Empire, would be different though. I really see the Empire as a lot like the Greek and Roman Empires - semi-tolarant of other races and cultures, but only citizans rally had any rights - so in the Kreen Empire, only those thri-kreen would have full rights under the Emperial Law - all others basically get what they get. That being said, I still do not really see the Kreen Empire specifically targeting a single race - marking them as a racial ememy. For them, you are kreen and not-kreen. I do not see that they would bother to distinguish between individual races of soft-skins - all who are not kreen are less then a kreen. I also think while they (being the kreen of the Empire) do not see a specific race of non-kreen as a racial emeny, other groups in the area who are not kreen may not hold the same idea - so I guess it is all about perspective here.
#8 Sysane Oct 12, 2006 12:12:46	Imperial Kreen seem to have a hard on for the halflings found in the Jagged Cliffs for whatever reason. That could possibly be attributed to kreen racial memory in that the rhulisti were once enemies of kreen. Thats just speculation on my part though.
#9 kalthandrix Oct 12, 2006 12:45:46	Imperial Kreen seem to have a hard on for the halflings found in the Jagged Cliffs for whatever reason. That could possibly be attributed to kreen racial memory in that the rhulisti were once enemies of kreen. Thats just speculation on my part though. It could also be their "Expansionalist" (is that a word) idea that they rule and control all areas they encounter. The halflings may just be in the way of their preceived right to control the land, so the conflict might not arise out of any feelings of mutual hate, the halflings are just in the way. Who knows really
#10 Sysane Oct 12, 2006 13:18:38	It could also be their "Expansionalist" (is that a word) idea that they rule and control all areas they encounter. The halflings may just be in the way of their preceived right to control the land, so the conflict might not arise out of any feelings of mutual hate, the halflings are just in the way. Who knows really My only rebuttal for the Kreen Expansionist theory is that Imperial Kreen seem more focused on the halflings of the Jagged Cliffs than the other races in the Hinterlands such as the pterrans of Lost Scale, which, if I remember correctly, is actually closer to the Empire than the Jagged Cliffs. Why focus on a race thats tougher to reach over one thats practically at their doorstep?
#11 kalthandrix Oct 12, 2006 13:38:18	My only rebuttal for the Kreen Expansionist theory is that Imperial Kreen seem more focused on the halflings of the Jagged Cliffs than the other races in the Hinterlands such as the pterrans of Lost Scale, which, if I remember correctly, is actually closer to the Empire than the Jagged Cliffs. Why focus on a race thats tougher to reach over one thats practically at their doorstep? Touche The Hinterlands IIRC are just over the Ringing Mountians - so the pterran are not within the Crimson Savanna nore are they in the Kreen Empire - I do not have the map here, but I do believe that this is the case - so to reach Lostscale, the kreen would have to go though the Great Rift - which means they still have to head though the Jagged Cliff to get there. I could be wrong - but it would be the first time...ever :P :D
#12 kalthandrix Oct 12, 2006 13:48:58	I have a kreen right here for you - phear! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Target.gif I was going to look through Brian's map thread - but 14 or more pages of postes was too daunting!
#13 Sysane Oct 12, 2006 13:56:59	Yeah, I need to take a gander at a map before I comment further.
#14 jihun-nish Oct 13, 2006 15:22:10	If we go with the idea that somewhere in the past, nature-benders (evil Life-shapers) transformed themselves into a high breed of Kreen sub-race. Lets also suppose that they did so for it was at the time one of the best way to escape the wrath of the Life-shapers war against them. Well I would also go with the idea that the Rhul-Thaun are the kreen's most hated race. Also....Maybe the Kreen has flash-backs when they see an halfling (specialy a rhul-Thaun since they still or similarly have the same life-style of bygon ages--Blue Age.) remembering being hunted when they were considered mere insects.---whitch they were before they evolved in what they are nowadays. Considering how kreen memory worksI think it is plausible. If they were to have a most hated ennemy race, of all the races on Athas, Rhul-thaun has all the traits to be just that---strongly dew with their past vs the Kreen race but also because of were they live---between the Kreen and their goal.. --Jihun
#15 Pennarin Oct 13, 2006 17:17:07	The reggelid and bvanen of the swamps.
#16 dracochapel Oct 17, 2006 7:32:51	From what ive read; to Thri-kreens elves arent a required part of the diet. But once a thri-kreen does taste elf its like a drug. Something about it appeals to them. I think the 'bad' (elf addicted) thri-kreen have given all thri-kreen a bad name. And so the elves see the Kreen as an enemy, they fight. the kreen might win. are exhausted/wounded, and look at these chunks of meat lying around. that'll help. mmm thats yummy. lets find some more..... It doesnt seem like the Kreen sit around like a bunch of Hannibal lecters to their offspring going "this 7" tall running bugger tastes real nice with a nice kiante", and heres your elf-skinning-spoon.