Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sinister_dm Oct 14, 2006 15:18:00	Wizards are for sure, if they do not take the Wizard of High Sorcery prestige class, but what about Sorcerers? Does the same rule apply to them?
#2 sinister_dm Oct 14, 2006 15:23:15	Oh.. Sorry. I just read the FAQ. The answer is Yes.
#3 clarkvalentine Oct 14, 2006 15:26:01	According to the RAW, all sorcerers are renegades - their use of ambient magic is anathema to the Orders.
#4 borris Oct 15, 2006 23:43:11	Of course, sorcerers do not consider themselves to be renagades. From their point of view, they never were part of the Orders to begin with. The question of how to deal with sorcerers has been a contant source of headache for the Tower of High sorcery since the end of the War of Souls.
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 16, 2006 10:00:14	What is the Raw?
#6 darthsylver Oct 16, 2006 10:01:43	It depends on how you look at it. 1. Yes officially any arcane chaos magic-user is considered a renegae. 2. The level of the character is not the considered factor, the level of spells casted is the relevant factor. 3. If a person can cast 3rd-level arcane spells and has not taken the test, then they are officially considered a renegade. How this is handled is determined by the different orders as well as the individual wizard. For most if the wizard does not present a threat to the existence of the orders or magic then for the most part they are left alone. Even sorcerers fall into this category as the orders have not established any exacting regulations on how to handle these sorcerers, but yes if they use arcane chaos magic (which is any spon-caster class) then they are renegades.
#7 valharic Oct 16, 2006 12:10:21	Wizards are for sure, if they do not take the Wizard of High Sorcery prestige class, but what about Sorcerers? Does the same rule apply to them? Just to clarify. A wIzard can take the test and pass, but is not required to take the WoHS PrC. They can continue on with other arcane casting classes as long as they adhere to the laws of the WoHS. THey just won't get the benefits of the PrC
#8 cam_banks Oct 16, 2006 14:04:58	What is the Raw? RAW is "rules as written." Cheers, Cam
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 22, 2006 9:17:52	Wizards also do not need to take the Test.
#10 Dragonhelm Oct 22, 2006 9:50:14	Wizards also do not need to take the Test. If they want to keep from becoming a renegade, they do.
#11 valharic Oct 22, 2006 12:50:40	Wizards also do not need to take the Test. Yes, I was assuming from previous posts that the wizard wanted to be a WoHS. The point was more rules set minded than within the contexted of the setting.
#12 cam_banks Oct 22, 2006 15:30:29	If they want to keep from becoming a renegade, they do. I suppose if they can't actually cast 3rd level spells when they reach 5th level, they might be fine. A wizard with an Intelligence of 12 never needs to worry about the Orders and they never need to worry about him, either! Cheers, Cam
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 22, 2006 20:02:38	There are plenty of low level elven fighter/mages, I think in one of the Battles of the Kinslayer War they had a battalion or something of them. It was never stated that they were wizards of the White Robes.
#14 darthsylver Oct 24, 2006 12:48:57	It is pretty simple to understand. If you are a sorceror or use unfocused arcane magic then technically you are a renegade. If you can't cast 3rd-level or higher spells or you present no threat to the established orders then the orders might leave you alone. All other sorcerors beware. Bards are sorta in a quagmire, the jury is still out as to the order's official stance on them. The impression I get is that they are treated as non-serious practioners and are tolerated. Should one ever present a threat to the orders, then I am sure they would go after the bard with a vengeance. If you are a wizard or use focused arcane magic then the orders require you to take the test (not necesarily the Prc) if you ever acquire the ability to cast 3rd-level or higher spells. If a wizard that can cast 2nd-level spells who eventually becomes a threat to the orders, the orders would probably declare the person a renegade and hunt him down, for example; a wiz4\ftr10, who is the leader of a raiding group of bandits that is attacking everyone in sight and using their available magic to support his group in combat.
#15 borris Oct 25, 2006 0:16:33	The good thing about neing a bard is that you won't get the ability to cast 3rd-level arcane spells until your 7th level. Thus, you can go for nearly a third of your adventuring career while still being left alone by the Tower of High Sorcery.
#16 zombiegleemax Oct 25, 2006 9:20:56	Bards, using ambient magic, are seen as sorcerers by the Orders arent they?
#17 cam_banks Oct 25, 2006 9:51:01	Bards, using ambient magic, are seen as sorcerers by the Orders arent they? The jury's out on that one. There simply has never been an occasion thus far to prove or disprove it in the material. Cheers, Cam
#18 darthsylver Oct 26, 2006 12:46:21	Technically by the rules as stated, if a person uses unfocused arcane mage (level regardless) the person is a renegade, however how that renegade is handled is determined by: 1 the wizard (and the order that they belong to) who encounters him, 2 the power level of the unfocused arcane magic-user and 3 the level of threat the user presents to the orders and the survival of magic. Traditionally bards were treated as dabblers not worthy of attention by the orders. Even with the Bard the way it is in 3.5 it does not really have that much raw power as most of their spells deal with personal interaction so the orders may just leave them alone as on a grand scale they present very little threat (or competition as some would say). However if a group of (or even a single) bard ever decided for some reason to attack the orders themselves or go on a wizard-killing spree (and I don't mean a single individual wizards) then the orders would probably classify all Bards as a threat and hunt them down. THe thing to remember is that officially, all people who use unfocused arcane power, regardless if it is a 9th-level spell or a 0-th level spell is considered a renegade of the orders, whether the orders will hunt them down or not is what is in question.
#19 zathress Jan 06, 2007 4:04:49	Depends on who you ask, White: Offer them a place in the order, if they refuse keep an eye on them Red: Learn from them, for the good of all magic. Black: Learn from them and if givin the chance kill them.