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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2006 11:32:58 A thread copied from GH forum! :P

You could choose between Thanatos, Alphaks, Atzanteotl, Hel, Demogorgon,
and the less famous (but surely Evil) Danael, Cretia, Pearl, Jammudaru, Karaash, Nyx, Kurtulmak, Loki, Masauwu, Mrikitat, Orcus, Ranivorus, Wogar,Yagrai and Zugzul or any other Immortal I forgot to put in this list.
#2
gawain_viii
Nov 22, 2006 11:54:08 Well, lets weigh their merits...

I would almost instantly say Thanatos... but I think that would be everyone's first thought. He is KNOWN as evil so much so that he doesn't have to actually DO anything evil to keep his reputation. He was a bit character during WotI, other than that the last thing he did was Nithia.

Alphaks is an obvious choice--his destructive avts are focused around revenge. After the source of his hate disappears, I see him loosing much influence...

Loki is potentially the most dangerous, because he is not OVERTLY evil. Everyone hates him because of his nature, but he is able to convince good deities that he is a friend, from time to time, and that is probably the greatest danger to the Immortal ranks.

I don't see Hel as so much evil, as a personification of the natural cycles of life.

Atzanteotl has potential, but like Alphaks, his is a singular focus, which limits his power.

The monster patrons are all typecast and have minor evilness, but often have bits of morality shine through.

I don't know about a few of them, Daniel Tigerstripes--I know nothing except his name.

One that I would add to the list is Protius. With all his power, which is unlikely to wane anytime soon, his laisses faire attitude is possibly more dangerous than Thanatos, Atzanteotl, and Alphaks combined. He who sits back and does nothing is part of the problem. Although of Neutral alignment, I think he (via his inattentiveness) is inherently evil in action.

Taking that into account, I would have to say, in the end, Thanatos is still top when it comes to the raw evilness of his nature.

Roger
#3
agathokles
Nov 22, 2006 11:58:24
A thread copied from GH forum! :P

You could choose between Thanatos, Alphaks, Atzanteotl, Hel, Demogorgon,
and the less famous (but surely Evil) Danael, Cretia, Pearl, Jammudaru, Karaash, Nyx, Kurtulmak, Loki, Masauwu, Mrikitat, Orcus, Ranivorus, Wogar,Yagrai and Zugzul or any other Immortal I forgot to put in this list.

Well, Cretia, Pearl, Kaarash, Kurtulmak, Mrikitat and Nyx are not that evil -- actually, most of these are actually neutral (CN, LN or TN) in alignment.
Even Wogar is more savage than truly evil, while Yagrai is very savage, and definitely evil as well.

Of those that remain, Zugzul is a mystery -- whether he is alive or not, and whether he was a truly evil Immortal, or just an aggressive conqueror is not known.
Danel Tigerstripes is evil, but could yet be drawn to the "light side".

The rest are all really bad guys, although Loki, Hel, and Masauwu are somewhat more civil than the others -- they're evil, but not immediately lethal.

Ranivorous, Jammudaru, Alphaks, Orcus and Demogorgon (as well as Leptar and a few other lesser Entropics) are evil, but somewhat predictable in their evilness -- very aggressive, destructive, and in some case almost mad.

This leaves, IMO, Thanatos and Atzanteotl, the great planners, those who raise entire civilizations only to let the fall in civil wars or have their fellow immortals wipe them out.

And, of course, there's always Arik, the imprisoned Immortal -- someone so evil and dangerous that even other Entropics would agree to keep him locked up.
#4
havard
Nov 22, 2006 12:24:52
Of those that remain, Zugzul is a mystery -- whether he is alive or not, and whether he was a truly evil Immortal, or just an aggressive conqueror is not known.

From what I've gathered, Zugzul, lord of Fire and Ice (or Fire and Darkness) is (or was) more a champion of Chaos rather than evil. The Well of Souls might suggest he wasn't exactly a goody goody two shoes either though...

Marco has him still being active in Ylaruam and other places, though there are no official sources stating whether he is still around or if he faded after the Great Rain of Fire (or even before that).

The rest are all really bad guys, although Loki, Hel, and Masauwu are somewhat more civil than the others -- they're evil, but not immediately lethal.

I was disappointed by the way Hel was represented in WotI, where she clearly appeared to be evil in the traditional sense. Although she probably should be considered evil, I had always though common malice would be beneath her, viewing her as more of a cold-hearted queen of Death.

Havard
#5
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2006 12:40:51
And, of course, there's always Arik, the imprisoned Immortal -- someone so evil and dangerous that even other Entropics would agree to keep him locked up.

Of course! Arik! How could I forget him in my list!!!!!!

Anyway, guys, remember about Loki and Bozdogan... Loki is much much more than an Ostlander could think: he is the engine of Great Hule...

But I think my favoured Evil guys are Thanatos, Atzanteotl and Jammudaru.

Thanatos becouse he is the evilness made Immortal, he aims for death and destruction. He is more Entropic than Entropy! Also if Nyx should be the great ruler of Entropy, she is not as important in Mystara. Maybe she has some interest elsewere... (In canon material, I remember her only in Milenian Empire, and with a false name!).

Atzanteotl is a favoured of mines too. I like him 'couse he is no longer interested in avenging of surface elves, but he also has interests in Azcans. So he is now a complete Immortal of Evil. Vengeful, entropic and full of rage! I know him also as Menlil in Nimmur! He is full of interests!

Jammudaru is mine favoured becouse of the "humorous" side of his personality. And in my Mystara the curse "may Jammudaru's rage be with you and yous sons, up to the 7th generation" is very common, as the ogres lord is for me something more than a racial patron. He is the only and true Immortal of the vengeance! And everybody wants, in the deep of his heart, take vengeance of someone! ;)
#6
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2006 12:45:47
I was disappointed by the way Hel was represented in WotI, where she clearly appeared to be evil in the traditional sense. Although she probably should be considered evil, I had always though common malice would be beneath her, viewing her as more of a cold-hearted queen of Death.

Havard

I liked it, instead! ;)
She is Hel... the queen of Hell!!!!! Hel and Hell are not similar names for a chance...
By the way, I also use some Planescape material and Hel is a Power of the Gray Wast... an Evil palne! She is the queen of Niflheim! She is truly Evil!
#7
johnbiles
Nov 22, 2006 12:50:25 Alphaks, baby. Even Thanatos never destroyed a whole planet, and Alphaks didn't even have to be immortal to cause it!
#8
Traianus_Decius_Aureus
Nov 22, 2006 13:05:00 Alphaks is definitely at the top or very close to it. But he, like many of the evil immortals, are but blunt, obvious weapons that do a lot of widespread harm.

I like evil immortals that are more like razor sharp surgical knives, so Talithia gets a vote. She backstabs mortals and immortals alike, she has no problem playing the part of the seductress to corrupt and sow evil. She is very active with her plots. Demon-like Alphaks is a lot easier to resist than the far sexier, albeit very dangerous, Alphatian minx.
#9
eldersphinx
Nov 22, 2006 16:02:10 The most evil being in existence is Arcanda. For inspiring all those damn Entropics to try to top one another in order to prove themselves the evillest Immortal of all!

:P
#10
zombiegleemax
Nov 22, 2006 19:41:35
The most evil being in existence is Arcanda. For inspiring all those damn Entropics to try to top one another in order to prove themselves the evillest Immortal of all!

:P

LOL! :D
#11
Cthulhudrew
Nov 22, 2006 20:31:24 I'm going to have to weigh in on the side of either Atzanteotl or Thanatos, like others have.

Thanatos is the ultimate evil guy, really. He basically is a complete nihilist- wanting the end of all things, which, really, is pretty much as bad as it gets. Even worse, he's not just a blatant destroyer and havoc wreaker like some Entropics (Alphaks), he's subtle, and content to take his time to see things come to fruition, and working on all sorts of insidious plots at once. He's the guy behind the guy, and even when he's outright about things, he's powerful and slick enough to get away with it. He's one of the two key Immortals behind the whole Nithian thing (with the other, Ranivorus, possibly being a secret ally, depending on how you read Gaz2). Despite the Immortals violating their oaths of non-interference and wiping out all memory of Nithia, and wiping virtually the entire population off the face of the world, they seemingly didn't touch Thanatos. Or, if they did punish him, it didn't take for long, as he eventually rose back up to the highest echelons of the Entropic hierarchy. A similar thing happens in the events of the Hollow World trilogy, with the openly exposed Thanatos managing to get away to fight another day.

Atzanteotl, on the other hand, isn't quite as sweeping in his goals- he doesn't seek the entire destruction of all- but he is a corrupter, someone who twists the minds and souls of others to evil purposes, which is pretty sinister. Again, it requires a lot more subtlety than some other Entropics evince (yeah, I'm still looking at you, Alphaks!), and when you consider that his ends involve manipulating and perverting the innermost thoughts and identities of people, well- that's pretty darn close to being as evil as it gets.

I'd say Thanatos has a slight edge, but these two seem to be the frontrunners, IMO.
#12
gawain_viii
Nov 23, 2006 9:20:08 It would be interesting who our resident Immortal expert picks... Has anyone heard from Marco lately?

Roger

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2006 11:32:58	A thread copied from GH forum! :P You could choose between Thanatos, Alphaks, Atzanteotl, Hel, Demogorgon, and the less famous (but surely Evil) Danael, Cretia, Pearl, Jammudaru, Karaash, Nyx, Kurtulmak, Loki, Masauwu, Mrikitat, Orcus, Ranivorus, Wogar,Yagrai and Zugzul or any other Immortal I forgot to put in this list.
#2 gawain_viii Nov 22, 2006 11:54:08	Well, lets weigh their merits... I would almost instantly say Thanatos... but I think that would be everyone's first thought. He is KNOWN as evil so much so that he doesn't have to actually DO anything evil to keep his reputation. He was a bit character during WotI, other than that the last thing he did was Nithia. Alphaks is an obvious choice--his destructive avts are focused around revenge. After the source of his hate disappears, I see him loosing much influence... Loki is potentially the most dangerous, because he is not OVERTLY evil. Everyone hates him because of his nature, but he is able to convince good deities that he is a friend, from time to time, and that is probably the greatest danger to the Immortal ranks. I don't see Hel as so much evil, as a personification of the natural cycles of life. Atzanteotl has potential, but like Alphaks, his is a singular focus, which limits his power. The monster patrons are all typecast and have minor evilness, but often have bits of morality shine through. I don't know about a few of them, Daniel Tigerstripes--I know nothing except his name. One that I would add to the list is Protius. With all his power, which is unlikely to wane anytime soon, his laisses faire attitude is possibly more dangerous than Thanatos, Atzanteotl, and Alphaks combined. He who sits back and does nothing is part of the problem. Although of Neutral alignment, I think he (via his inattentiveness) is inherently evil in action. Taking that into account, I would have to say, in the end, Thanatos is still top when it comes to the raw evilness of his nature. Roger
#3 agathokles Nov 22, 2006 11:58:24	A thread copied from GH forum! :P You could choose between Thanatos, Alphaks, Atzanteotl, Hel, Demogorgon, and the less famous (but surely Evil) Danael, Cretia, Pearl, Jammudaru, Karaash, Nyx, Kurtulmak, Loki, Masauwu, Mrikitat, Orcus, Ranivorus, Wogar,Yagrai and Zugzul or any other Immortal I forgot to put in this list. Well, Cretia, Pearl, Kaarash, Kurtulmak, Mrikitat and Nyx are not that evil -- actually, most of these are actually neutral (CN, LN or TN) in alignment. Even Wogar is more savage than truly evil, while Yagrai is very savage, and definitely evil as well. Of those that remain, Zugzul is a mystery -- whether he is alive or not, and whether he was a truly evil Immortal, or just an aggressive conqueror is not known. Danel Tigerstripes is evil, but could yet be drawn to the "light side". The rest are all really bad guys, although Loki, Hel, and Masauwu are somewhat more civil than the others -- they're evil, but not immediately lethal. Ranivorous, Jammudaru, Alphaks, Orcus and Demogorgon (as well as Leptar and a few other lesser Entropics) are evil, but somewhat predictable in their evilness -- very aggressive, destructive, and in some case almost mad. This leaves, IMO, Thanatos and Atzanteotl, the great planners, those who raise entire civilizations only to let the fall in civil wars or have their fellow immortals wipe them out. And, of course, there's always Arik, the imprisoned Immortal -- someone so evil and dangerous that even other Entropics would agree to keep him locked up.
#4 havard Nov 22, 2006 12:24:52	Of those that remain, Zugzul is a mystery -- whether he is alive or not, and whether he was a truly evil Immortal, or just an aggressive conqueror is not known. From what I've gathered, Zugzul, lord of Fire and Ice (or Fire and Darkness) is (or was) more a champion of Chaos rather than evil. The Well of Souls might suggest he wasn't exactly a goody goody two shoes either though... Marco has him still being active in Ylaruam and other places, though there are no official sources stating whether he is still around or if he faded after the Great Rain of Fire (or even before that). The rest are all really bad guys, although Loki, Hel, and Masauwu are somewhat more civil than the others -- they're evil, but not immediately lethal. I was disappointed by the way Hel was represented in WotI, where she clearly appeared to be evil in the traditional sense. Although she probably should be considered evil, I had always though common malice would be beneath her, viewing her as more of a cold-hearted queen of Death. Havard
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2006 12:40:51	And, of course, there's always Arik, the imprisoned Immortal -- someone so evil and dangerous that even other Entropics would agree to keep him locked up. Of course! Arik! How could I forget him in my list!!!!!! Anyway, guys, remember about Loki and Bozdogan... Loki is much much more than an Ostlander could think: he is the engine of Great Hule... But I think my favoured Evil guys are Thanatos, Atzanteotl and Jammudaru. Thanatos becouse he is the evilness made Immortal, he aims for death and destruction. He is more Entropic than Entropy! Also if Nyx should be the great ruler of Entropy, she is not as important in Mystara. Maybe she has some interest elsewere... (In canon material, I remember her only in Milenian Empire, and with a false name!). Atzanteotl is a favoured of mines too. I like him 'couse he is no longer interested in avenging of surface elves, but he also has interests in Azcans. So he is now a complete Immortal of Evil. Vengeful, entropic and full of rage! I know him also as Menlil in Nimmur! He is full of interests! Jammudaru is mine favoured becouse of the "humorous" side of his personality. And in my Mystara the curse "may Jammudaru's rage be with you and yous sons, up to the 7th generation" is very common, as the ogres lord is for me something more than a racial patron. He is the only and true Immortal of the vengeance! And everybody wants, in the deep of his heart, take vengeance of someone! ;)
#6 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2006 12:45:47	I was disappointed by the way Hel was represented in WotI, where she clearly appeared to be evil in the traditional sense. Although she probably should be considered evil, I had always though common malice would be beneath her, viewing her as more of a cold-hearted queen of Death. Havard I liked it, instead! ;) She is Hel... the queen of Hell!!!!! Hel and Hell are not similar names for a chance... By the way, I also use some Planescape material and Hel is a Power of the Gray Wast... an Evil palne! She is the queen of Niflheim! She is truly Evil!
#7 johnbiles Nov 22, 2006 12:50:25	Alphaks, baby. Even Thanatos never destroyed a whole planet, and Alphaks didn't even have to be immortal to cause it!
#8 Traianus_Decius_Aureus Nov 22, 2006 13:05:00	Alphaks is definitely at the top or very close to it. But he, like many of the evil immortals, are but blunt, obvious weapons that do a lot of widespread harm. I like evil immortals that are more like razor sharp surgical knives, so Talithia gets a vote. She backstabs mortals and immortals alike, she has no problem playing the part of the seductress to corrupt and sow evil. She is very active with her plots. Demon-like Alphaks is a lot easier to resist than the far sexier, albeit very dangerous, Alphatian minx.
#9 eldersphinx Nov 22, 2006 16:02:10	The most evil being in existence is Arcanda. For inspiring all those damn Entropics to try to top one another in order to prove themselves the evillest Immortal of all! :P
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 22, 2006 19:41:35	The most evil being in existence is Arcanda. For inspiring all those damn Entropics to try to top one another in order to prove themselves the evillest Immortal of all! :P LOL! :D
#11 Cthulhudrew Nov 22, 2006 20:31:24	I'm going to have to weigh in on the side of either Atzanteotl or Thanatos, like others have. Thanatos is the ultimate evil guy, really. He basically is a complete nihilist- wanting the end of all things, which, really, is pretty much as bad as it gets. Even worse, he's not just a blatant destroyer and havoc wreaker like some Entropics (Alphaks), he's subtle, and content to take his time to see things come to fruition, and working on all sorts of insidious plots at once. He's the guy behind the guy, and even when he's outright about things, he's powerful and slick enough to get away with it. He's one of the two key Immortals behind the whole Nithian thing (with the other, Ranivorus, possibly being a secret ally, depending on how you read Gaz2). Despite the Immortals violating their oaths of non-interference and wiping out all memory of Nithia, and wiping virtually the entire population off the face of the world, they seemingly didn't touch Thanatos. Or, if they did punish him, it didn't take for long, as he eventually rose back up to the highest echelons of the Entropic hierarchy. A similar thing happens in the events of the Hollow World trilogy, with the openly exposed Thanatos managing to get away to fight another day. Atzanteotl, on the other hand, isn't quite as sweeping in his goals- he doesn't seek the entire destruction of all- but he is a corrupter, someone who twists the minds and souls of others to evil purposes, which is pretty sinister. Again, it requires a lot more subtlety than some other Entropics evince (yeah, I'm still looking at you, Alphaks!), and when you consider that his ends involve manipulating and perverting the innermost thoughts and identities of people, well- that's pretty darn close to being as evil as it gets. I'd say Thanatos has a slight edge, but these two seem to be the frontrunners, IMO.
#12 gawain_viii Nov 23, 2006 9:20:08	It would be interesting who our resident Immortal expert picks... Has anyone heard from Marco lately? Roger