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#1SysaneDec 07, 2006 15:48:38 | Greetings all. I'm looking for some input for alternative class feature for a druid in a Expedition to Castle Ravenloft campaign. In it, it introduces a guild of undead hunters that have alternative class features to aid them against the dead.This is what I've come up with:
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#2rotipherDec 08, 2006 7:51:41 | This seems awfully powerful, especially since it's stepping on the cleric's area of expertise (i.e. opposing undead). Healing ability damage isn't so bad, but for removing negative levels, you might want to tone it down to a bonus (+1 per level of spell forfeited) on the recipient's check to recover naturally from the loss. Even if level loss was toned down drastically in 3E, it's still supposed to be one of the scariest attack-forms in the D&D game. Letting a PC negate its effects so freely, any time she wants, is a really bad idea IMO, especially if the druid in question has a sky-high Wisdom and hence, plenty of spells to burn. |
#3SysaneDec 08, 2006 8:30:08 | First off thank you for responding. With that said on to your reply. I understand your concern but don't feel this ability steps on the cleric's niche. The druid's alternate ability of spontaneous rejuvenation from PHBII grants fast healing and isn't viewed as encroaching on the cleric's role. |
#4rotipherDec 08, 2006 9:28:26 | Granted. But then, simple healing isn't as strongly a "cleric speciality" as opposing undead: druids, paladins, and even bards all share that niche, magic-wise, and any PC can take the Heal skill. A better comparison might be if a cleric with the Animal domain were permitted to give up spontaneous healing, and in return, gain the ability to assume Wild Shape for one round per level of spell they "burned". It's granting the cleric one of a druid's signature powers ... and letting them employ it earlier than the druid can, as many times as they have spells to burn instead of a fixed number of times per day. What level does a cleric have to be, before he can start casting restoration-spells to remove negative levels? Why should the druid get to do such a thing as soon as she gains her first 2nd level spell, and be better at it than the class that's designed to be the best against the undead? Especially if allowing this will degrade one of the D&D game's most infamous attacks into: "Ho hum, guess I gotta put up with a few -1 penalties until the druid can spare a 2nd level spell...." Granted, it's just my opinion, and maybe your PCs and/or players are so inexperienced that you feel you need to nerf level-draining to run EtCR at all. But even if that's the case, it's not the best precedent to set, if you ask me: players shouldn't think that they'll always be given the means to undo the consequences of PC impairments like level draining, else they have no reason to be afraid of them. |
#5SysaneDec 08, 2006 9:54:57 | I believe that the druid should be able to combat the undead and that it shouldn't just be a cleric only thing. I actually feel that it makes more sense for a druid to reverse the effects of undead than it does for the cleric. Undead and nature are the antithesis of each other. Now, if I granted the druid ability to turn undead I could see your concern (Speaking of which, there's actually a druid PrC in Libris Mortis that grants a druid the ability to turn undead), but for me it only seems logical that a druid character would have access to something akin to touch of vitality. If you think the ability is to potent, I can respect that. Do you have any suggestion on how it could be toned down? |
#6rotipherDec 08, 2006 10:14:31 | Again, modifying the Fort save to get rid of the negative level would be much more reasonable. It could be a bigger bonus than just +1/level of spell, if you think that's too weak, or you could make it untyped so it stacks with everything. Whatever the bonus, a save should still be necessary, so the druid isn't handing the recipient a guarantee that they won't fail the Fort save, despite the druid's assistance. Alternately, you can let the druid's power give the subject a chance to shed a negative level immediately, rather than after 24 hours. This could be an extra saving throw in addition to the 24-hour one (in which case, any bonus provided should be much smaller), or else it simply forces the determination of the negative level's outcome sooner. |
#7SysaneDec 08, 2006 10:39:12 | Hmmm....thats not bad. Not bad at all. Another save with a bonus tied to the level of spell sacrificed. I'll mull that over. |
#8SysaneDec 08, 2006 12:10:46 | Alright. How's this revised ability sound?Touch of Vitality |
#9rotipherDec 08, 2006 13:28:17 | Nice! It's not overpowered, nor does it guarantee its success, and yet the players whose PCs get drained will be very, very grateful for that extra chance to avoid a permanent loss. A good compromise! :-) Oh, and you might want to note that this can only be attempted once per negative level or ability score that needs restoring. Else, a druid who burns enough spells would be bound to succeed, even if she wasn't granting any bonus to the Fort save. |
#10SysaneDec 08, 2006 14:23:36 | Made the approprate changes. Thank you kindly for you're invaluble input. |