lastard >8)
hello, it's me and my awkward posts again. hope you did not have this as a thread before. you know that dregoth is an undead defiler basically. so what happens to preservers during avagnion metamorphosis, when they become undead - and remain free-willed? i am just working on some personal deadlands stuff and in our campaign, there was a preserver in what is now called The City of a Thousand Dead who was in the process of transforming into an avagnion. In the Wanderer's Chronicle it says something about a 'huge undead creature' beneath the city, so i thought it would be cool to have a good-aligned counterpart to Dregoth...
lastard >8)
I always took the "huge undead creature" to be an undead Tarrasque. But that is me.
I'd use something like the Deathless template from Eberron. It seems to me that an avangion, even an undead one, would be sufused with positive energy rather than negative.
yes a nasty idea:
while undeath is quite unconfortable for a dragon, Dregoth is managing to exist quite well.
for an avagnion matters are quite direr, our good-aligned counterpart to Dregoth will be ifused of a huge amount of life energy and, being a dead thing, completly unable to control it.
The way old 1° edition mummies were "positive energy undeads" this life energy could present themselves in the form of a powerful flesh eating rot, capable to dissolve organic materials in to a bloody goo nealy istantly....
Hopefully we can try to expand this concept...
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ps: have just updated the Freedom! page :D
..anyhoo. I wonder how far along that project is. Anyone know offhand??
Anyway, that still leaves me with the question what an undead avagnion would be like
Lastard >8)
Anyway, that still leaves me with the question what an undead avagnion would be like
Lastard >8)
I figure the poor sucker as a nearly formless mass of levitating tumors, a lifleless carcass putrefacting in the center of it wile the living tissues, gone mad, oozes out any possible hole and grow constantly only to dissolve in a purulent mass of vira and bacteria.
quite a pulp scene isn't it?
from the rules point of wiew I have no idea how it wiil come out but sure as hell It's creepy
I suppose you could have it spread dangerous carnivorous undead plants in it's wake.
Yep, just the only appropriate template (mummified creature) can'y be applied to abberrations. This leaves only the Umbral creature, but it fits less well with my idea.
Lyric:
Of the old positive energy undeads the only I can remember is the mummy, and the "positive energy undead" thing is no longer supplemented in 3.5 edition (noot sure, what abut deathtlesses?).
Do you remember any other one?
Cyrian:
Yep, just the only appropriate template (mummified creature) can'y be applied to abberrations. This leaves only the Umbral creature, but it fits less well with my idea.
While it isn't really ''legal'' if you go by the books, the template can be used to help design abilities for the undead avangion.
A WotC article about non-legal template application can be found here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20060407a
in 2e there was some sort of positive energy elven undead guy... dont recall much about him.. just thought him up as an option though to justify using positive energy.. that's all.
That would be the Baelnorn.
Also, the Deathless of Aerenal in the Eberron setting. They've got a few types of them, Undying Soldiers, Undying Councilors and Ascendant Councilors. They're kinda neat.
-X
Dregoth is sort of the Dragon version of a T'liz: He chose to be the way he is in order to continue his grand plans and do more cool magic stuffs.
By contrast I see Avangion undead as being more like Raaig. True, Avangions likely don't believe in the gods per se (as Raaig do) and I don't think an Avangion would probably choose unlife on purpose. But still, like the Raaig, an Avangion is so dedicated to a particular ethos that I could see their will just continuing on it's own long after the body has died away.
As for how you'd represent it mechanically? Not sure if anyone has a 3.5ed Raaig template you could slap on your n-level Avangion, but I suppose you could just apply Monsterous Manual "Ghost" template and change a few details to make it fit better.
Lastard >8)
Hmh, isn't there this undead half-elf preserver in the Valley of Dust and Fire? I think his name was Haakar or Hakaar...
Haakar is a free-willed undead human preserver who haunt(s/ed) the ruins of Akarakle in the Road of Fire. If I had to say, I think he'd probably be a fine example of the Racked Spirit template from Terrors of the Deadlands.
Note: Haakar's story can be found in the Dragon's Crown adv. (with stats and short background on p.36 of the second adv. book)
Lastard
Regarding the Avangion I think of it this way:
Dregoth is sort of the Dragon version of a T'liz: He chose to be the way he is in order to continue his grand plans and do more cool magic stuffs.
By contrast I see Avangion undead as being more like Raaig. True, Avangions likely don't believe in the gods per se (as Raaig do) and I don't think an Avangion would probably choose unlife on purpose. But still, like the Raaig, an Avangion is so dedicated to a particular ethos that I could see their will just continuing on it's own long after the body has died away.
As for how you'd represent it mechanically? Not sure if anyone has a 3.5ed Raaig template you could slap on your n-level Avangion, but I suppose you could just apply Monsterous Manual "Ghost" template and change a few details to make it fit better.
I agree. Make an undead avangion into a raaig. Their dedication to renewing Athas' Green Age (or even the Blue Age, in the case of Oronis) is basically a religion, anyhow.
--either that or make them deathless, which would fit almost as well NB
I had one character in a 2e session i was running heading in that direction, but he got eaten by a resurrected (and hungry) Kalak
