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#1
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 7:51:51 Well, I hijacked a thread about Kreen aksing if I should get Thri-Kreen of Athas, and I got an emphatic yes, along with some other recommendations. What would you recommend, other than the revised setting?

Cheers,
Siberys
#2
kalthandrix
Dec 18, 2006 8:25:26 The novels - most any of them, but mainly the Prism Pentad series.

Also, the City be the Silt Sea and the Ivory Triangle are both very good materials to have.

Defilers & Preservers, and Will and the Way are two of my other favorites along with Dragon Kings - the latter if you are interested in seeing 2e fluff and material for high level campaigns.
#3
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 8:44:17 Well, I can get the novels at the local library - I've actually considered picking them up often. If I do read the Prism Pentad, would Beyond the Prism Pentad be a good Idea to get?

Cheers,
Siberys
#4
Kamelion
Dec 18, 2006 10:27:32
Well, I can get the novels at the local library - I've actually considered picking them up often. If I do read the Prism Pentad, would Beyond the Prism Pentad be a good Idea to get?

Cheers,
Siberys

No. It is unmitigated dreck. Dark Sun enjoys the distinction of having an entire line of incredibly useful supplements with scarcely a dud amongst them. And it also has Beyond the Prism Pentad. If you have the revised campaign setting, there is little to nothing in BtPP worth your while (some stats for notable NPCs may be worth a look, but if that takes your fancy, just buy the pdf for $5 and save yourself the wastage).

Beyond that, it largely depends on what kind of game you are planning to run. With one or two exceptions, most of the niches have been covered in one book or another, so you can probably find plenty of stuff to suit your needs. What kind of DS games are you thinking of playing?

(This question comes up fairly often - but not often enough to make the other threads on it easy to find, unfortunately. Maybe I should make a list or something...)
#5
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 10:41:27 I'm not sure what I want to play; I usually try to hoard info before delving into a game.

I was planning on getting all of them in PDF, primarily because then there'd be no S&H.

So.. I shouldn't get BtPP?
If it saves me money, and is generally considered to not be worth it, then I'll take your advice.

cheers,
Siberys
#6
Oninotaki
Dec 18, 2006 13:13:51 I would get it if it was only $5
#7
terminus_vortexa
Dec 18, 2006 13:24:57 BtPP is somewhat useful, depending on what era you choose to run your game in. I'd recommend it, if only for the sake of completion. I mean, it's only $5. Even if you only use it a couple times, it's no big loss.
#8
Kamelion
Dec 18, 2006 13:37:07 Well, if it's pdfs that you are going for, a couple of extra bucks on BtPP won't hurt (depending on your budget, of course), especially if you're something of a completist.

BtPP is generally considered to be the poorest of the DS supplements, and it's worth was only harmed by the release of the revised campaign setting, which reproduced most of those things that made BtPP a semi-wothwhile purchase. To break it down for clearly for you, here is an overview of its contents:

Chapter One: A Decade of Adventure
The opening 10 pages of the book detail the events of the Prism Pentad series and the adventures released so far. If you aren't familiar with these, this is a decent summary. If you are, it's old news. A timeline places these in chronological order. It might be interesting to know if Arcane Shadows came before Black Spine in the "official" chronology, or it might not, depending on how closely you wish to hew to the dreaded DS canon.

Chapter Two: The City States
This chapter updates the information on the city states that was given in the original campaign setting. All of this information is superceded by the revised campaign setting (which has additional details as well) and so is not much use if you have the revised setting.

Chapter Three: Character Statistics
This chapter gives you 2e stats for Rikus, Sadira, Hamanu, Nibenay and Lalali-Puy. Kinda cool, if you use them in 2e games, but of minimal use if you're playing 3e, as the relevant 3e classes bear little to no resemblance to the 2e originals. Maybe worth the pdf cover price, maybe not.

Chapter Four: The Defiler's Gambit Adventure
A really dumb adventure about an evil defiler trying to mess with Rajaat and the Cerulean Storm. Pants. Big, hairy pants.

So there you go. Make of it what you will. Get it if any of the above seems worth your while. You won't be missing anything significant if you don't, though.
#9
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 21:16:00 Well, I do have some 2e stuff, so I wouldn't mind running it that way, but I would (with 99% surety) go for 3e, as I'm more familiar with it; I want the stuff mostly for Fluff, and maybe some conversions I could do.

Yeah, It won't be much more expensive, and I am a completist, so I probably will get it.

Other titles - other than Thri-Kreen, Defilers and Preservers and The Will and the Way look interesting. And the City-State books - any recommendations on those?

cheers,
Siberys
#10
thebrax
Dec 18, 2006 21:50:24 Get the city-States!
#11
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 22:33:20
Get the city-States!

Okay...

*Goes to mark off as apparent must-haves :P *
#12
thebrax
Dec 18, 2006 22:38:05 I ran a campaign in Tyr for over 18 months. The Ivory Triangle books are less thorough and provide fewer adventure hooks, but help flesh out the world.

My only complaint about CST is that the city-map isn't bundled with it; it's separate in the first box set (and not the second).

City adventures are a challenge to get used to, but once you've got a campaign going, they basically write themselves as the PCs make friends, enemies, establish a reputation, etc. Of course, if they screw up and don't end up all dying, they'll have to move to another city and there goes a lot of your hard work.
#13
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 22:44:06
I ran a campaign in Tyr for over 18 months. The Ivory Triangle books are less thorough and provide fewer adventure hooks, but help flesh out the world.

My only complaint about CST is that the city-map isn't bundled with it; it's separate in the first box set (and not the second).

City adventures are a challenge to get used to, but once you've got a campaign going, they basically write themselves as the PCs make friends, enemies, establish a reputation, etc. Of course, if they screw up and don't end up all dying, they'll have to move to another city and there goes a lot of your hard work.

Well, then they are true must-haves!

I actually run a Ton of city-based adventures, mostly in Sharn of Eberron. But DS will be both a nice change-of-pace city-wise, and a challenge due to the different power structures and factors existant in DS that don't exist in Eberron (or vise-versa).

Again, thanks for the advice! once I pool together enough money, I think I'll just pop over to Paizo and buy all the DS Role-playing books I can afford! :D

Cheers,
Siberys
#14
thebrax
Dec 18, 2006 22:51:43 Of course, you've got CSoDraj available for free right on Athas.org. The level of detail there is higher than in the Ivory Triangle cities, but lower than in CSoTyr. Adventure leads are good, and the cultural feel for the city is IMO better than CSoT. The social structure of Draj IMO makes adventures easier to run than in Gulg, but a little harder than Tyr or Nibenay. The characters are well-developed (not to mention updated to 3e!) as well.
#15
Siberys
Dec 18, 2006 23:07:18 Yeah, I've printed copies of all of the DS3E stuff. Combined with the revised set (I got a PDF that I printed...). it a humongous stck of paper, to say the least.
#16
thebrax
Dec 18, 2006 23:52:04 Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful.
#17
Zardnaar
Dec 19, 2006 1:59:07
Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful.

I used my home printer and got glue binding on Athas.org and Earth Air Fire Water PDFcomes back to back with the veiled Alliance PDF. Saves postage on Ebay if nothing else.
#18
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Dec 19, 2006 11:00:28
Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful.

Yeah. I have a number of the books actually in paperback format to boot. Of course, I'm an insane person for having rewritten the Wanderer's Journal, to include important information from the Wanderer's Chronicle, while removing references to things that I don't feel the average player really needs to know (I play my games on a very strict need-to-know basis). Things like that the sorcerer-kings are dragons, or 100% proof that The Dragon exists, much less any evidence to support that The Dragon is dead... Making it more based on hearsay and rumor on a lot of the nitty-gritty details, rather than hard, strict evidence.
#19
ruhl-than_sage
Dec 19, 2006 17:46:53 The Most Useful/Important Books are IMO:

Ivory Triangle (Box Set)
Veiled Alliance
Elves of Athas
Thri-Kreen of Athas

Preservers & Defilers and The Will and Way are both very rule heavy (by 2e standards) and generally prove much less useful. The Will and the Way is by far the more useful of the two IMO and does have good info on the Psionic Schools of athas and a little about the mysterious Order. I think you get everything you need to know about magic from other sources so Preservers and Defilers has very little purpose apart from gathering information into one loction and presenting rules info that no longer matters if you are playing in 3e.

City State of Tyr is a very good suppliment, but Tyr is kind of a generic place and you should have enough info between the novels and the info in the two campaign setting box sets to make Tyr come alive.

Windriders of the Jagged Cliffs and Mindlords of the Last Sea are both completely unecessary, but fun if you want to devle deeper into the settings past and far flung locales. Windriders is the superior one IMO and ties in with other elements of the setting much better including the Kreen Empire which is detailed (OK. That might be a slight exaggeration) in the Thri-Kreen of the Athas.

Slave Tribes is a must if you are interested in focusing on that element of the setting, and the same can be said for Earth, Air, Water, Fire (order?).

City by the Sea of Silt is by far the most useful adventure, because it is half adventure half sourcebook. Still unless you are really interested in running a game centered around Guistenal and its immmediate environs it will have no real use for you other then being really freakin cool.
#20
ruhl-than_sage
Dec 19, 2006 17:49:32 I forgot to mention Dragon Kings... when you get interested in the details of advanced beings that the book with all the info. As a bonus it has a bunch of great short stories; a sort DS mythology.
#21
blackheart
Dec 20, 2006 11:20:11 I had wondered about the same question raised by the OP, but I'm also a completists so the logical answer for me was "everything."

I had a huge interest in the setting after I found The Crimson Legion in a bookstore in '97 for a buck. Later, I found Ivory Triangle for $3 at Kay Bee Toys and Dragon Kings for 10 at a game shop, but my group at the time wasn't too interested, so my interest in the setting was shelved.
When 3E came about, I wanted a setting that was fully supported so I jumped into the Realms. Recently, I came across Athas.org and devoured everything and now I'm hooked again. I went from owning the above products and all the Athas.org stuff (plus tons of unofficial stuff) to adding 13 more 2E books just in the past week.

Long story about my Dark Sun interest, but it leads me to a question...
I have a feeling that my Original Boxed Set isn't complete (as almost all my products are used)...could someone give me an inventory of what I should have in it?
#22
kalthandrix
Dec 20, 2006 11:39:20 I to am a bit of a completist - I own every campaign supplement, adventure, and novel that was printed specifically for DS - meaning that I do not have any Ravenloft books nor the Villains book as there are only minor references in those ones that do not really pertain to the actual world of Athas. I am only missing a few issues of Dragon that had DS related stuff, I have like two of the older Dragons, but there are more.
#23
Band2
Dec 20, 2006 16:03:13
Long story about my Dark Sun interest, but it leads me to a question...
I have a feeling that my Original Boxed Set isn't complete (as almost all my products are used)...could someone give me an inventory of what I should have in it?

If I remember correctly the Original Boxed Set included
A rules Book
The Wanderer's Journal
A adventure A Little Knowledge composed of two flip books
Maps
A short story booklet

For Siberys, I would recommend
City State of Tyr and Veiled Alliance as the best overall supplements. Many of the others are good two but depends on what you want to focus on in your campaign. Elves of Athas and Earth Air Fire and Water are two good ones as well.

If you are looking for adventures I would say Dragon Crown, Freedom, and Road to Urik.
#24
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Dec 20, 2006 16:04:43 Wasn't City-State of Tyr in the original boxed set? Or was that in the expanded one?
#25
cnahumck
Dec 20, 2006 16:14:37 City State of Tyr was its own book.
#26
terminus_vortexa
Dec 20, 2006 23:36:10
If you are looking for adventures I would say Dragon Crown, Freedom, and Road to Urik.

And let us not forget the magnificence that is Black Spine!!!!!
#27
mgdathlete
Dec 21, 2006 16:39:26
I to am a bit of a completist - I own every campaign supplement, adventure, and novel that was printed specifically for DS - meaning that I do not have any Ravenloft books nor the Villains book as there are only minor references in those ones that do not really pertain to the actual world of Athas. I am only missing a few issues of Dragon that had DS related stuff, I have like two of the older Dragons, but there are more.

What Villains book? What DS info does it contain?

The Book of Artifacts has some decent Dark Sun artifacts, despite some inconsistancies.
#28
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Dec 22, 2006 10:21:08 I think it was in the second release of Ravenloft, still under TSR's control. There was the island of Kalidnay, which was supposed to be originally from Athas, complete with the sorcerer-king (only the book called a sorcerer-queen) Kalid-Ma, who was in a comatose state. The island of Kalidnay's dark lord was actually Kalid-Ma's high templar.
#29
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 23, 2006 11:38:54 I am probably the only one on these forums that would recommend Merchant House of Amketch as one of the best DS adventures out there, after Dragon's Crown. Look into picking it up if you want an adventure where you never know who you can trust and a climactic end scene.

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#1 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 7:51:51	Well, I hijacked a thread about Kreen aksing if I should get Thri-Kreen of Athas, and I got an emphatic yes, along with some other recommendations. What would you recommend, other than the revised setting? Cheers, Siberys
#2 kalthandrix Dec 18, 2006 8:25:26	The novels - most any of them, but mainly the Prism Pentad series. Also, the City be the Silt Sea and the Ivory Triangle are both very good materials to have. Defilers & Preservers, and Will and the Way are two of my other favorites along with Dragon Kings - the latter if you are interested in seeing 2e fluff and material for high level campaigns.
#3 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 8:44:17	Well, I can get the novels at the local library - I've actually considered picking them up often. If I do read the Prism Pentad, would Beyond the Prism Pentad be a good Idea to get? Cheers, Siberys
#4 Kamelion Dec 18, 2006 10:27:32	Well, I can get the novels at the local library - I've actually considered picking them up often. If I do read the Prism Pentad, would Beyond the Prism Pentad be a good Idea to get? Cheers, Siberys No. It is unmitigated dreck. Dark Sun enjoys the distinction of having an entire line of incredibly useful supplements with scarcely a dud amongst them. And it also has Beyond the Prism Pentad. If you have the revised campaign setting, there is little to nothing in BtPP worth your while (some stats for notable NPCs may be worth a look, but if that takes your fancy, just buy the pdf for $5 and save yourself the wastage). Beyond that, it largely depends on what kind of game you are planning to run. With one or two exceptions, most of the niches have been covered in one book or another, so you can probably find plenty of stuff to suit your needs. What kind of DS games are you thinking of playing? (This question comes up fairly often - but not often enough to make the other threads on it easy to find, unfortunately. Maybe I should make a list or something...)
#5 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 10:41:27	I'm not sure what I want to play; I usually try to hoard info before delving into a game. I was planning on getting all of them in PDF, primarily because then there'd be no S&H. So.. I shouldn't get BtPP? If it saves me money, and is generally considered to not be worth it, then I'll take your advice. cheers, Siberys
#6 Oninotaki Dec 18, 2006 13:13:51	I would get it if it was only $5
#7 terminus_vortexa Dec 18, 2006 13:24:57	BtPP is somewhat useful, depending on what era you choose to run your game in. I'd recommend it, if only for the sake of completion. I mean, it's only $5. Even if you only use it a couple times, it's no big loss.
#8 Kamelion Dec 18, 2006 13:37:07	Well, if it's pdfs that you are going for, a couple of extra bucks on BtPP won't hurt (depending on your budget, of course), especially if you're something of a completist. BtPP is generally considered to be the poorest of the DS supplements, and it's worth was only harmed by the release of the revised campaign setting, which reproduced most of those things that made BtPP a semi-wothwhile purchase. To break it down for clearly for you, here is an overview of its contents: Chapter One: A Decade of Adventure The opening 10 pages of the book detail the events of the Prism Pentad series and the adventures released so far. If you aren't familiar with these, this is a decent summary. If you are, it's old news. A timeline places these in chronological order. It might be interesting to know if Arcane Shadows came before Black Spine in the "official" chronology, or it might not, depending on how closely you wish to hew to the dreaded DS canon. Chapter Two: The City States This chapter updates the information on the city states that was given in the original campaign setting. All of this information is superceded by the revised campaign setting (which has additional details as well) and so is not much use if you have the revised setting. Chapter Three: Character Statistics This chapter gives you 2e stats for Rikus, Sadira, Hamanu, Nibenay and Lalali-Puy. Kinda cool, if you use them in 2e games, but of minimal use if you're playing 3e, as the relevant 3e classes bear little to no resemblance to the 2e originals. Maybe worth the pdf cover price, maybe not. *Chapter Four: The Defiler's Gambit* Adventure** A really dumb adventure about an evil defiler trying to mess with Rajaat and the Cerulean Storm. Pants. Big, hairy pants. So there you go. Make of it what you will. Get it if any of the above seems worth your while. You won't be missing anything significant if you don't, though.
#9 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 21:16:00	Well, I do have some 2e stuff, so I wouldn't mind running it that way, but I would (with 99% surety) go for 3e, as I'm more familiar with it; I want the stuff mostly for Fluff, and maybe some conversions I could do. Yeah, It won't be much more expensive, and I am a completist, so I probably will get it. Other titles - other than Thri-Kreen, Defilers and Preservers and The Will and the Way look interesting. And the City-State books - any recommendations on those? cheers, Siberys
#10 thebrax Dec 18, 2006 21:50:24	Get the city-States!
#11 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 22:33:20	Get the city-States! Okay... Goes to mark off as apparent must-haves :P
#12 thebrax Dec 18, 2006 22:38:05	I ran a campaign in Tyr for over 18 months. The Ivory Triangle books are less thorough and provide fewer adventure hooks, but help flesh out the world. My only complaint about CST is that the city-map isn't bundled with it; it's separate in the first box set (and not the second). City adventures are a challenge to get used to, but once you've got a campaign going, they basically write themselves as the PCs make friends, enemies, establish a reputation, etc. Of course, if they screw up and don't end up all dying, they'll have to move to another city and there goes a lot of your hard work.
#13 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 22:44:06	I ran a campaign in Tyr for over 18 months. The Ivory Triangle books are less thorough and provide fewer adventure hooks, but help flesh out the world. My only complaint about CST is that the city-map isn't bundled with it; it's separate in the first box set (and not the second). City adventures are a challenge to get used to, but once you've got a campaign going, they basically write themselves as the PCs make friends, enemies, establish a reputation, etc. Of course, if they screw up and don't end up all dying, they'll have to move to another city and there goes a lot of your hard work. Well, then they are true must-haves! I actually run a Ton of city-based adventures, mostly in Sharn of Eberron. But DS will be both a nice change-of-pace city-wise, and a challenge due to the different power structures and factors existant in DS that don't exist in Eberron (or vise-versa). Again, thanks for the advice! once I pool together enough money, I think I'll just pop over to Paizo and buy all the DS Role-playing books I can afford! :D Cheers, Siberys
#14 thebrax Dec 18, 2006 22:51:43	Of course, you've got CSoDraj available for free right on Athas.org. The level of detail there is higher than in the Ivory Triangle cities, but lower than in CSoTyr. Adventure leads are good, and the cultural feel for the city is IMO better than CSoT. The social structure of Draj IMO makes adventures easier to run than in Gulg, but a little harder than Tyr or Nibenay. The characters are well-developed (not to mention updated to 3e!) as well.
#15 Siberys Dec 18, 2006 23:07:18	Yeah, I've printed copies of all of the DS3E stuff. Combined with the revised set (I got a PDF that I printed...). it a humongous stck of paper, to say the least.
#16 thebrax Dec 18, 2006 23:52:04	Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful.
#17 Zardnaar Dec 19, 2006 1:59:07	Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful. I used my home printer and got glue binding on Athas.org and Earth Air Fire Water PDFcomes back to back with the veiled Alliance PDF. Saves postage on Ebay if nothing else.
#18 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 19, 2006 11:00:28	Yup. Sure is convenient when you can get it printed back to back and punched. Takes me some time and a few bad prints, but it's a whole lot more useful. Yeah. I have a number of the books actually in paperback format to boot. Of course, I'm an insane person for having rewritten the Wanderer's Journal, to include important information from the Wanderer's Chronicle, while removing references to things that I don't feel the average player really needs to know (I play my games on a very strict need-to-know basis). Things like that the sorcerer-kings are dragons, or 100% proof that The Dragon exists, much less any evidence to support that The Dragon is dead... Making it more based on hearsay and rumor on a lot of the nitty-gritty details, rather than hard, strict evidence.
#19 ruhl-than_sage Dec 19, 2006 17:46:53	The Most Useful/Important Books are IMO: Ivory Triangle (Box Set) Veiled Alliance Elves of Athas Thri-Kreen of Athas Preservers & Defilers and The Will and Way are both very rule heavy (by 2e standards) and generally prove much less useful. The Will and the Way is by far the more useful of the two IMO and does have good info on the Psionic Schools of athas and a little about the mysterious Order. I think you get everything you need to know about magic from other sources so Preservers and Defilers has very little purpose apart from gathering information into one loction and presenting rules info that no longer matters if you are playing in 3e. City State of Tyr is a very good suppliment, but Tyr is kind of a generic place and you should have enough info between the novels and the info in the two campaign setting box sets to make Tyr come alive. Windriders of the Jagged Cliffs and Mindlords of the Last Sea are both completely unecessary, but fun if you want to devle deeper into the settings past and far flung locales. Windriders is the superior one IMO and ties in with other elements of the setting much better including the Kreen Empire which is detailed (OK. That might be a slight exaggeration) in the Thri-Kreen of the Athas. Slave Tribes is a must if you are interested in focusing on that element of the setting, and the same can be said for Earth, Air, Water, Fire (order?). City by the Sea of Silt is by far the most useful adventure, because it is half adventure half sourcebook. Still unless you are really interested in running a game centered around Guistenal and its immmediate environs it will have no real use for you other then being really freakin cool.
#20 ruhl-than_sage Dec 19, 2006 17:49:32	I forgot to mention Dragon Kings... when you get interested in the details of advanced beings that the book with all the info. As a bonus it has a bunch of great short stories; a sort DS mythology.
#21 blackheart Dec 20, 2006 11:20:11	I had wondered about the same question raised by the OP, but I'm also a completists so the logical answer for me was "everything." I had a huge interest in the setting after I found The Crimson Legion in a bookstore in '97 for a buck. Later, I found Ivory Triangle for $3 at Kay Bee Toys and Dragon Kings for 10 at a game shop, but my group at the time wasn't too interested, so my interest in the setting was shelved. When 3E came about, I wanted a setting that was fully supported so I jumped into the Realms. Recently, I came across Athas.org and devoured everything and now I'm hooked again. I went from owning the above products and all the Athas.org stuff (plus tons of unofficial stuff) to adding 13 more 2E books just in the past week. Long story about my Dark Sun interest, but it leads me to a question... I have a feeling that my Original Boxed Set isn't complete (as almost all my products are used)...could someone give me an inventory of what I should have in it?
#22 kalthandrix Dec 20, 2006 11:39:20	I to am a bit of a completist - I own every campaign supplement, adventure, and novel that was printed specifically for DS - meaning that I do not have any Ravenloft books nor the Villains book as there are only minor references in those ones that do not really pertain to the actual world of Athas. I am only missing a few issues of Dragon that had DS related stuff, I have like two of the older Dragons, but there are more.
#23 Band2 Dec 20, 2006 16:03:13	Long story about my Dark Sun interest, but it leads me to a question... I have a feeling that my Original Boxed Set isn't complete (as almost all my products are used)...could someone give me an inventory of what I should have in it? If I remember correctly the Original Boxed Set included A rules Book The Wanderer's Journal A adventure A Little Knowledge composed of two flip books Maps A short story booklet For Siberys, I would recommend City State of Tyr and Veiled Alliance as the best overall supplements. Many of the others are good two but depends on what you want to focus on in your campaign. Elves of Athas and Earth Air Fire and Water are two good ones as well. If you are looking for adventures I would say Dragon Crown, Freedom, and Road to Urik.
#24 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 20, 2006 16:04:43	Wasn't City-State of Tyr in the original boxed set? Or was that in the expanded one?
#25 cnahumck Dec 20, 2006 16:14:37	City State of Tyr was its own book.
#26 terminus_vortexa Dec 20, 2006 23:36:10	If you are looking for adventures I would say Dragon Crown, Freedom, and Road to Urik. And let us not forget the magnificence that is Black Spine!!!!!
#27 mgdathlete Dec 21, 2006 16:39:26	I to am a bit of a completist - I own every campaign supplement, adventure, and novel that was printed specifically for DS - meaning that I do not have any Ravenloft books nor the Villains book as there are only minor references in those ones that do not really pertain to the actual world of Athas. I am only missing a few issues of Dragon that had DS related stuff, I have like two of the older Dragons, but there are more. What Villains book? What DS info does it contain? The Book of Artifacts has some decent Dark Sun artifacts, despite some inconsistancies.
#28 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Dec 22, 2006 10:21:08	I think it was in the second release of Ravenloft, still under TSR's control. There was the island of Kalidnay, which was supposed to be originally from Athas, complete with the sorcerer-king (only the book called a sorcerer-queen) Kalid-Ma, who was in a comatose state. The island of Kalidnay's dark lord was actually Kalid-Ma's high templar.
#29 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 23, 2006 11:38:54	I am probably the only one on these forums that would recommend Merchant House of Amketch as one of the best DS adventures out there, after Dragon's Crown. Look into picking it up if you want an adventure where you never know who you can trust and a climactic end scene.