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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2007 10:09:48 Hello!
I was wondering, I am making a character for a DL campaign and I'm thinking I will be a Kagonesti elf. It says in the DL Campaign book that their favored class is Ranger. I was thinking, would it be wise to take a few levels of Barbarian too? They are afterall, wild elves.
#2
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2007 11:04:23 Depends on what you want the character to be.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2007 12:22:21
Depends on what you want the character to be.

A combat oriented wild elf. He hates to be told what is right and wrong, and he hates that his family was enslaved by the Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves.
#4
darthsylver
Jan 01, 2007 18:02:12 Savages or wild elves are not necesarily the barbarian class. Just because someone is of a barbarian tribe does not necesarily refer to the class of that name. In fact most barbarian tribes would be more likely to be rangers rather than barbarians.

Now with your elf being angry at the enslavement of his race by his fellow elves would be a good reason for the rage ability should you decide to take the barbarian class.

Just remember that the term barbarian does not always refer to the class. After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all. In fact he was a gladiator and was given formal training. Also in the movie he was a thief, but I sincerely doubt that he ever received any thieving or rogue skills.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2007 20:30:03
Savages or wild elves are not necesarily the barbarian class. Just because someone is of a barbarian tribe does not necesarily refer to the class of that name. In fact most barbarian tribes would be more likely to be rangers rather than barbarians.

Now with your elf being angry at the enslavement of his race by his fellow elves would be a good reason for the rage ability should you decide to take the barbarian class.

Just remember that the term barbarian does not always refer to the class. After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all. In fact he was a gladiator and was given formal training. Also in the movie he was a thief, but I sincerely doubt that he ever received any thieving or rogue skills.

I was just looking through the PHB2 and it lists types of barbarians in it. I kinda like the elven barbarian that was in it.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jan 01, 2007 20:38:34 What time period are you playing in?
#7
zombiegleemax
Jan 02, 2007 7:29:50
What time period are you playing in?

Just after the dragon destroyed Kendermore. I don't know the exact date. Sorry.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jan 02, 2007 12:21:07 Age of Mortals.
#9
cam_banks
Jan 06, 2007 18:34:01
Just after the dragon destroyed Kendermore. I don't know the exact date. Sorry.

A barbarian/ranger Kagonesti would be an excellent character to play, based on your character's background.

Cheers,
Cam
#10
borris
Jan 10, 2007 22:12:15 Take one level of ranger with Favored Enemy (elves). Since you seem to hate those Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves so much, it's only natural that you'd have learned how to fight them better. Then take a few levels of barbarian and unleash your savage fury!
#11
zombiegleemax
Jan 11, 2007 12:13:33 What alignment is your character?
#12
zombiegleemax
Jan 18, 2007 12:56:41
A combat oriented wild elf. He hates to be told what is right and wrong, and he hates that his family was enslaved by the Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves.

I agree completely with Cam and Borris. Bbn/Rng (favoured enemy elves) looks perfect for your background. I would take the Bbn class at the first level and get the 12 HP when you will need them more.

After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all.

I would say Conan was a barbarian who multiclassed to fighter. And I am quite sure he had the "rage abilty". ;)
#13
darthsylver
Jan 18, 2007 16:05:25 Why? When did he ever really lose his control and just surrender to rage? If anything he was controlled at all times, unless he was srunk. Just because he came from a mountain tribe does not make him a barbarian.

I will give that it was possible that he might have had the Barbarian class when he was used as a gladiator, but I still say that he was a straight lined fighter.
#14
cam_banks
Jan 19, 2007 9:22:35
I will give that it was possible that he might have had the Barbarian class when he was used as a gladiator, but I still say that he was a straight lined fighter.

Conan was as much thief and adventurer as he was warrior, like many of Howard's characters. The barbarian class has trap sense and a number of other minor abilities that complement that approach, and with its superior class skill list it's actually a fairly comprehensive class outside of the raging berserker stereotype.

Cheers,
Cam
#15
zombiegleemax
Jan 19, 2007 12:49:18
Why? When did he ever really lose his control and just surrender to rage?

I don't remenber Conan adventures so well. But I remenber him boosting his strength and not caring much about himself (he do not feared death in combat) when he considered it was necessary. +4 Str -2 AC

Also a barbarian may prematurly end his rage. This is maybe where autocontrol plays a role.

Definetly he was much more than a warrior, as he we was his own party and he needed much more than his sword and his muscles out there.
#16
clarkvalentine
Jan 19, 2007 19:56:31 Didn't Conan spend a decent fraction of his career as a thief?
#17
wolffenjugend_dup
Jan 20, 2007 10:06:51 Yes.
#18
darthsylver
Jan 24, 2007 8:02:42 All right, all right, I give up. I will give Conan the barbarian class but I will not give in to the rogue class. HE was a thief yes but as Cam said the only skill she used in thievery could have gotten from the Barbarian class. So I will give in that he has barbarian class but not the rogue class.
#19
zombiegleemax
Jan 25, 2007 8:08:38 This is of course assumming that Conan can be done in a d20 version.
#20
cam_banks
Jan 26, 2007 9:00:20
This is of course assumming that Conan can be done in a d20 version.

Mongoose Publishing has proved quite successfully that he can!

Cheers,
Cam
#21
zombiegleemax
Jan 27, 2007 18:28:35 I was not aware of that. Is the product still in print?
#22
cam_banks
Jan 27, 2007 19:02:53 Yes, it is: Conan RPG

Cheers,
Cam
#23
wolffenjugend_dup
Jan 28, 2007 8:19:09 The Conan d20 RPG specifically describes him as a thief, although I couldn't find any stats for him in the material I have. But here's an interpretation:

http://www.enworld.org/Inzeladun/conan.htm

Actually, here's some official stats from Mongoose Publishing: (very bottom of the page; he has 1 level of rogue)

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpg/series.php?qsSeries=7
#24
knoxx
Feb 07, 2007 0:39:48 When I was young I read alot of Robert E Howards books on Conan. I got the impression that he started off as a barbarian that ended up in the big city. Where the stealth from hunting and ability to climb steep icy cliffs in his native land allowed him to excel in a thieves guild.

A betrayal by a fellow thief makes him realize that the guild life was no place for him. Then he starts to hire himself out as a mercenary and his legend begins to grow. Basically Conans stats were such that he would have excelled at what ever he decided to do.

Later in life his magic knowledge was great also. Not allowing him to cast spells but to see through them and find ways to counter them.

Basically he is the superman of the fantasy world without the weakness of cryptinite

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2007 10:09:48	Hello! I was wondering, I am making a character for a DL campaign and I'm thinking I will be a Kagonesti elf. It says in the DL Campaign book that their favored class is Ranger. I was thinking, would it be wise to take a few levels of Barbarian too? They are afterall, wild elves.
#2 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2007 11:04:23	Depends on what you want the character to be.
#3 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2007 12:22:21	Depends on what you want the character to be. A combat oriented wild elf. He hates to be told what is right and wrong, and he hates that his family was enslaved by the Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves.
#4 darthsylver Jan 01, 2007 18:02:12	Savages or wild elves are not necesarily the barbarian class. Just because someone is of a barbarian tribe does not necesarily refer to the class of that name. In fact most barbarian tribes would be more likely to be rangers rather than barbarians. Now with your elf being angry at the enslavement of his race by his fellow elves would be a good reason for the rage ability should you decide to take the barbarian class. Just remember that the term barbarian does not always refer to the class. After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all. In fact he was a gladiator and was given formal training. Also in the movie he was a thief, but I sincerely doubt that he ever received any thieving or rogue skills.
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2007 20:30:03	Savages or wild elves are not necesarily the barbarian class. Just because someone is of a barbarian tribe does not necesarily refer to the class of that name. In fact most barbarian tribes would be more likely to be rangers rather than barbarians. Now with your elf being angry at the enslavement of his race by his fellow elves would be a good reason for the rage ability should you decide to take the barbarian class. Just remember that the term barbarian does not always refer to the class. After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all. In fact he was a gladiator and was given formal training. Also in the movie he was a thief, but I sincerely doubt that he ever received any thieving or rogue skills. I was just looking through the PHB2 and it lists types of barbarians in it. I kinda like the elven barbarian that was in it.
#6 zombiegleemax Jan 01, 2007 20:38:34	What time period are you playing in?
#7 zombiegleemax Jan 02, 2007 7:29:50	What time period are you playing in? Just after the dragon destroyed Kendermore. I don't know the exact date. Sorry.
#8 zombiegleemax Jan 02, 2007 12:21:07	Age of Mortals.
#9 cam_banks Jan 06, 2007 18:34:01	Just after the dragon destroyed Kendermore. I don't know the exact date. Sorry. A barbarian/ranger Kagonesti would be an excellent character to play, based on your character's background. Cheers, Cam
#10 borris Jan 10, 2007 22:12:15	Take one level of ranger with Favored Enemy (elves). Since you seem to hate those Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves so much, it's only natural that you'd have learned how to fight them better. Then take a few levels of barbarian and unleash your savage fury!
#11 zombiegleemax Jan 11, 2007 12:13:33	What alignment is your character?
#12 zombiegleemax Jan 18, 2007 12:56:41	A combat oriented wild elf. He hates to be told what is right and wrong, and he hates that his family was enslaved by the Silvanesti and Qualinesti elves. I agree completely with Cam and Borris. Bbn/Rng (favoured enemy elves) looks perfect for your background. I would take the Bbn class at the first level and get the 12 HP when you will need them more. After all the most well known barbarian (Conan the barbarian) was not of the barbarian class at all. I would say Conan was a barbarian who multiclassed to fighter. And I am quite sure he had the "rage abilty". ;)
#13 darthsylver Jan 18, 2007 16:05:25	Why? When did he ever really lose his control and just surrender to rage? If anything he was controlled at all times, unless he was srunk. Just because he came from a mountain tribe does not make him a barbarian. I will give that it was possible that he might have had the Barbarian class when he was used as a gladiator, but I still say that he was a straight lined fighter.
#14 cam_banks Jan 19, 2007 9:22:35	I will give that it was possible that he might have had the Barbarian class when he was used as a gladiator, but I still say that he was a straight lined fighter. Conan was as much thief and adventurer as he was warrior, like many of Howard's characters. The barbarian class has trap sense and a number of other minor abilities that complement that approach, and with its superior class skill list it's actually a fairly comprehensive class outside of the raging berserker stereotype. Cheers, Cam
#15 zombiegleemax Jan 19, 2007 12:49:18	Why? When did he ever really lose his control and just surrender to rage? I don't remenber Conan adventures so well. But I remenber him boosting his strength and not caring much about himself (he do not feared death in combat) when he considered it was necessary. +4 Str -2 AC Also a barbarian may prematurly end his rage. This is maybe where autocontrol plays a role. Definetly he was much more than a warrior, as he we was his own party and he needed much more than his sword and his muscles out there.
#16 clarkvalentine Jan 19, 2007 19:56:31	Didn't Conan spend a decent fraction of his career as a thief?
#17 wolffenjugend_dup Jan 20, 2007 10:06:51	Yes.
#18 darthsylver Jan 24, 2007 8:02:42	All right, all right, I give up. I will give Conan the barbarian class but I will not give in to the rogue class. HE was a thief yes but as Cam said the only skill she used in thievery could have gotten from the Barbarian class. So I will give in that he has barbarian class but not the rogue class.
#19 zombiegleemax Jan 25, 2007 8:08:38	This is of course assumming that Conan can be done in a d20 version.
#20 cam_banks Jan 26, 2007 9:00:20	This is of course assumming that Conan can be done in a d20 version. Mongoose Publishing has proved quite successfully that he can! Cheers, Cam
#21 zombiegleemax Jan 27, 2007 18:28:35	I was not aware of that. Is the product still in print?
#22 cam_banks Jan 27, 2007 19:02:53	Yes, it is: Conan RPG Cheers, Cam
#23 wolffenjugend_dup Jan 28, 2007 8:19:09	The Conan d20 RPG specifically describes him as a thief, although I couldn't find any stats for him in the material I have. But here's an interpretation: http://www.enworld.org/Inzeladun/conan.htm Actually, here's some official stats from Mongoose Publishing: (very bottom of the page; he has 1 level of rogue) http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/rpg/series.php?qsSeries=7
#24 knoxx Feb 07, 2007 0:39:48	When I was young I read alot of Robert E Howards books on Conan. I got the impression that he started off as a barbarian that ended up in the big city. Where the stealth from hunting and ability to climb steep icy cliffs in his native land allowed him to excel in a thieves guild. A betrayal by a fellow thief makes him realize that the guild life was no place for him. Then he starts to hire himself out as a mercenary and his legend begins to grow. Basically Conans stats were such that he would have excelled at what ever he decided to do. Later in life his magic knowledge was great also. Not allowing him to cast spells but to see through them and find ways to counter them. Basically he is the superman of the fantasy world without the weakness of cryptinite