Here's the link to those sub levels if you're interested.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=625259
I could try my hand at a few more. Any race/class combo in particular that people would like to see?
I was looking for sub levels that are "racially stereotypical" so to speak - athasian elves would get rogue-ish sub levels, half-giants and muls would have more combat-oriented ones, etc. Specifically I've got a player who wants to take a level or two of Rogue for his elf, but he's currently single-classed (and not a favored class) so doing so would give him the horrible XP penalties. As he pointed out, "it's not like stealing and sneaking around aren't common elven qualities," so I thought that racial sub levels would be the most appropriate.
With that said, what class is your elf player currently? Based on the class, I could come up with some alternate class feature that are more rogue/elf flavored.
If you're looking to emphasize the stereotypical traits a race, paragon classes my better serve you in this area than substitution levels.
With that said, what class is your elf player currently? Based on the class, I could come up with some alternate class feature that are more rogue/elf flavored.
Whoops hm, maybe that's what I'm actually looking for then - has anyone done any work on Athasian paragon classes? :D
He's a single-class duskblade; we're trying the class out in my current campaign, limited to elves and half-elves only, as a sort of "traditional elven spellcraft class" - so far it's working out quite well, fits the fighter/wizard combo role pretty good and the sorts of spells available definitely lend to the elven mentality IMO.
(As an amusing aside to the above: The player in question is an excellent role-player, and he does a hilarious job of running a 'stereotypical elf' in my DS game. Last session the group was trying to escape from a cave-dwelling structure, the obvious route having been blocked off by a bunch of attackers that the group couldn't possibly defeat. During the entire running battle the PC in question only killed one opponent, and then spent the rest of the fight as "rear-guard" - namely, he used the opponent's body as a shield while retreating, using all of his combat actions to strip "expensive looking" articles of clothing and equipment off the body the whole time. During the entire time he was retreating and looting, the only other action he took was to cast Swift Expeditious Retreat, and even that was just so that - once he'd pulled the last valuable item off the corpse - he could get up a ladder with a single move action and pull the ladder up behind him with his standard action.
After the game, when I was handing out XP, he asked "since I did such a great job of spending almost the entire fight looting the one opponent we were able to kill rather than acting my class and making more dead bodies to potentially loot, could I please take a Rogue level without suffering the XP penalties for multiclassing? If I'm going to keep this up I should at least be able to exclaim '...but I'm an elven rogue!' without it being a complete lie, doncha thing?" And there ya have it.)The rogue class is the elven favored class, and so levels in that class do not count toward determining XP penalties. And since he is only a single classed duskblade he could not incure any XP penalites - now if he were to take levels as a fighter he would, but not in the situation you are discribing as far as I know the rules - I could be wrong - I have been wrong once before, but only the one time :D
Whoops hm, maybe that's what I'm actually looking for then - has anyone done any work on Athasian paragon classes? :D.
Check the link under my signature.
He's a single-class duskblade; we're trying the class out in my current campaign, limited to elves and half-elves only, as a sort of "traditional elven spellcraft class" - so far it's working out quite well, fits the fighter/wizard combo role pretty good and the sorts of spells available definitely lend to the elven mentality IMO.
If you find that the paragon class doesn't work let me know. I'm pretty sure I can come up with some elf sub levels for duskblade.
I do not see the problem?
The rogue class is the elven favored class, and so levels in that class do not count toward determining XP penalties. And since he is only a single classed duskblade he could not incure any XP penalites - now if he were to take levels as a fighter he would, but not in the situation you are discribing as far as I know the rules - I could be wrong - I have been wrong once before, but only the one time :D
...true, except that my DS game rules are so skewed that most races don't even have a favored class. ;) In my DS game, only humans have free reign for favored classes, half-elves can take any of the psionic classes as favored, and everyone else - at best - can take a Psionic Schooling feat that makes the psion a favored class. On the other hand, I limit what races can take what classes, don't use racial LAs, and overall run it similar to 2e except using the 3.5e/d20 rules...the term "game balance" causes laughter whenever it's uttered during my DS game.
Check the link under my signature.
If you find that the paragon class doesn't work let me know. I'm pretty sure I can come up with some elf sub levels for duskblade.
Woot, that looks like what I'm looking for. I'll have to read up on the paragon rules some more, but so far that looks good to me. Thanks!
It is not like I am a mind reader - I am more of egoist then telepath, man!!
:P
Don't make me get the flames out! You would not like them!
Sysane, I took once a again a look at your paragon classes. I really like them a lot, they are an addition I will introduce to my next Dark Sun campaign definitely. Great work!
Thanks Elonarc. Don't forget that there's a second set of paragons for the dray, tari, gith, tarek, and johzal that can be found in the achieves.
I plan on making a third set of paragons that will cover the silt runner, ssurran, nikaal, and braxat soon.
Well that would have been a good thing to point out, you know, as one of those small details that help people when posting replys to messages.
It is not like I am a mind reader - I am more of egoist then telepath, man!!
:P
Don't make me get the flames out! You would not like them!
...but if I'd done that then you wouldn't be able to post about how it would have been a good idea for me to mention something to which you had subsequently commented upon despite having no need to make that comment since the unformentioned formentioned piece of information was contrary to your initial reply. And if that was the case, I wouldn't be able to write the reply I am writing right now.
But then again, it helps that I am, strangely enough, a seer; I knew this would happen, and everyone knows that it's not a good idea to change the future once you already know exactly how it's going to go.
Speaking of which, you're going to post the statement "No, Penn, that's complete insanity!" to a forum thread on Thursday of this week.
I could try my hand at a few more. Any race/class combo in particular that people would like to see?
My votes are for Halfling Bard and Tari Barbarian.
The first because oral culture must be a strong component of the halfling tribal life. I figure the Bard class is perfect for a "memory of the tribe" sort of character, but the "outlaw" aspects of that class don't really fit.
The second because I find the idea of a raging rodent warrior strangely compelling.
By the way, not sure if you already noticed: the link for your Tari Timeline in the Forum Archives is missing.
My votes are for Halfling Bard and Tari Barbarian.
I'll see what I can come up with.
By the way, not sure if you already noticed: the link for your Tari Timeline in the Forum Archives is missing.
Yeah, I've noticed that for awhile. I'm tempted to post a revised version of the time line in a new thread. I've tightened up the writting on it since the original one was posted. If you need the time line let me know and I'll e-mail it to you if you'd like
I found a previous version in an old thread:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=321664&highlight=tari%20time
Sysane - The elf player in my group noticed that Sleight of Hand isn't on the elven paragon skill list, and I agree with him that it's appropriate. Just an update-suggestion for ya. ;)
Hmmm...don't know why that wasn't on their skill list. I'll add that.
Thanks.
Its too bad the half-giant rogue in our group got killed before getting a chance to decide on those, the campaign lives on though!! (if with, a slighlty...reshaped group of adventurers).
Half-giant Rain Cleric/Elementalist/Seeker of the Storm (homebrew PrC, custom built for him) (formerly human, died at the same time as the previous Hlaf-giant, reincarnate strikes again!)
Halfling Wizard/Psion/Cerebremancer (was the half giant, decided to make a new PC as was craving spell castery goodness)
Mul Druid
Elf Warblade/Master of the Nine (Replacement player, out thri-kreen ranger left town, and he signed on right as ToB came out.)
I feel so left out with my single class...sometimes its hard to have a class so good you don't need no stinkin multiclass :P (although I'm working on another homebrew PrC for him, loosly based on Lion of Talisid, we'll see if it turns out useful or not).
Sorry for the minor derail, just wanted Sysane to know his work was appreciated
Jack