If so, that gave me another idea. If a templar without spells can turn Dregoth's body into an undead, what could someone who can actually cast spells do with Kalak's?
Here's my idea. Dote Mal Payn gets ahold of Kalak's body and, through lore stolen from the Sk's own library more then a decade ago, transfers the Champion of Rajaat template from the remains to himself. If he isn't stopped, he may even be able to gain Kalak's dragon magic!
What do you think?
That make a lot of trouble in the party, since the posseded player had to convince the other player to follow him.
Here's my idea. Dote Mal Payn gets ahold of Kalak's body and, through lore stolen from the Sk's own library more then a decade ago, transfers the Champion of Rajaat template from the remains to himself. If he isn't stopped, he may even be able to gain Kalak's dragon magic!
DMP becoming a dragon? That's preposterous!
Rather than saying Payn gains the knowledge on how to steal the template off a dead body, why not just say finds the knowledge on how to replicate the Dragon template in the same way Kalak originally did?
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Rajaat used the dark lens and the pristine tower to channel the energy of the sun itself into his champions, correct? Well, just suppose that energy is still trapped in Kalak's corpse. Then suppose Dote Mal Payne was grabbing whatever he could from the king's library before making a hasty exit, and he happens onto notes on a failed side project of Kalak's related to the possibility of stealing that solar energy from the other champions.
After going through everything he stole and learning more-or-less the truth about Rajaat and the champions, the necromancer's brain gets to work. Perhaps the problem was that Kalak wanted to steal that energy from all of his fellow champions at once, but decided it would be immpossible to get them all together and trick them into allowing it to happen, so he concentrated on his ziggurat instead. Dote Mal Payne thinks that perhaps the ritual might work on just one champion. And if he can transfer one attribute of the corpse to himself, why not everything that was Kalak's? He could gain Kalak's dragon stages and dragon magic. Heck, if he wanted too he might be able to realign the elemental vortice still attatched to the remains to himself.
This won't be an easy ritual, of course. I'm thinking along the line of hundreds of lives sacrificed (remember he doesn't need to collect the energy for a dragon metemorphisis, he just needs to "move" the energy already in Kalak to himself).
I do like the idea that someone could take Kalak's body and transfer some of his power - IF he was a CoR (which is still hottly debated) - that would be sweet, but why choose a rube like DMP to take on such power?
Oh - and it is concevible that Dregoth was brought back using a devise - like a scroll of wish or some other item that needed multiple participants to activate and one to channel the power - because you are right, the templars of Dregoth would have lost their spells when Big D was whacked.
DMP becoming a dragon is the worst ideas I think I have ever heard on this board - why don't we just start craking out new Champions. Why don't we just start taking ever insignificant NPC mentioned in the material and start making them all dragons and epic level people.
I agree. I have to say that their are no other champions, cause where would they be? And more dragons? come on, like that could happen without the SK's noticing and killing them? yeah right.
In my campaign The "fake" king of Draj is going along the lines of something similar to that presented in Paizo. He is attempting to become a dragon to help his people. That is in the future though. See, currently, the way my campaign is set up is that it is before the events of the Prism of the Pentad transpired. I might have Kalak killed because he's not a champion of Rajaat (in my game.)
Additionally I have an NPC that is a mul Psionic warrior that is attempting to become a wizard *puts on flame retardant clothing.*
Oh - and it is concevible that Dregoth was brought back using a devise - like a scroll of wish or some other item that needed multiple participants to activate and one to channel the power - because you are right, the templars of Dregoth would have lost their spells when Big D was whacked.
I've always taken the stance that Dregoth already had plans set in place for if he was killed. Magical items, scrolls, and other necessary components so that even if his templars lost their spells, they could "resurrect" him (after all, making undead tends to be something doable with Arcane magic, rather than true resurrection, which requires divine magic).
I've always taken the stance that Dregoth already had plans set in place for if he was killed. Magical items, scrolls, and other necessary components so that even if his templars lost their spells, they could "resurrect" him (after all, making undead tends to be something doable with Arcane magic, rather than true resurrection, which requires divine magic).
Thats very good and insightful theory. I back Xlore's reasoning here.
The hook are good indeed. A high price in lives is a comprensible requisit for the ritual. Consider that the ritual of dragon ascesion needs the prospect dragon to be a defiler and a psionic, maybe a transferal need that too, or even find at least one Kalak´s obsidian orb.
*Shrugs* I just like taking bit players everyone else ignores and making them into key players in a campaign. It's more of a challenge then the standard "Rajaat comes back again" approach.
Understandable. I personally like to run with the idea that the end of the world is very, very near -- to the point that the "300 years in the future" that Paizo's version of Dark Sun uses, to me, is excessively optimistic for the survival of Athas. I see there being a number of different forces mounting, leading to a massive, cataclysmic world-ending battle. I like to slowly provide clues to this to my player groups, and watch as they run around (albeit uselessly) to stave off the destruction. At best, they just delay it for a little bit of time. At worst, I've actually seen a group fail so miserably in their efforts to stop the oncoming apocalypse, that they actually effectively hasten its arrival.
My players begin to figure out what all is going on in Athas.... even if their characters don't. And as the players begin to grasp what all is happening, they usually find it really quite... disturbing. The world, in my campaigns, is literally on the brink of destruction.
Either way, my groups tend to really like the way I strategically leave the breadcrumbs that lead to clues to figuring out one of the forces that is amassing. I've had one group discover the Kreen Empire (and get subsequently killed by that empire), I've had one discover the Deadlands (and get killed for their efforts, to be used as spare parts), I've had another one stumble into what I've decided is really going on inside the Cerulean Storm. I've had another one "awaken" some ancient Rhulisti (which I play off as very similar to the Yuuzhon Vong from Star Wars) -- to only be tortured and forced to bear witness to these Rhulisti raising an army of lifeshaped creations to reclaim their ancient homeworld. I've had another group have to "deal" with Dregoth.... unsuccessfully, I might add. One group found the Lost Sea, only to be mind-wiped and made into a "happy citizen" of Saragar. I haven't had anyone "deal" with Daskinor -- but I'm hoping that the upcoming supplements that are being developed will open that opportunity up for me more.
Basically.... my Dark Sun campaigns rarely ever end out very good for the characters. Even after the "welcome to Dark Sun" campaigns I throw to induct new players, which results in a lot of character deaths in them as people begin to grasp the lethality of Athas and its environment (one of these included someone who wanted to play a fighter from another world who got stuck in Athas -- he more or less died from heat in his plate armor -- got broiled alive).
I haven't had anyone "deal" with Daskinor -- but I'm hoping that the upcoming supplements that are being developed will open that opportunity up for me more.
Daskinor isn't in the first release, at least stat wise, but there is plenty of stuff in the forgotten north to kill your, I mean have your players interact with.
Daskinor isn't in the first release, at least stat wise, but there is plenty of stuff in the forgotten north to kill your, I mean have your players interact with.
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I've had another one "awaken" some ancient Rhulisti (which I play off as very similar to the Yuuzhon Vong from Star Wars)
I've often made my PCs fight the Rhulisti-Vong, too. They have learned to fear and loathe anything that even resembles a halfling or lifeshaped device!