Today's Dragonlance

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#1

damaja

Feb 27, 2007 19:15:20
ok, I pretty much have everything in print for most of all the second edition campaign worlds. I kinda just had to have it hehe But they changed it all to 3rd ed and I just refused to buy anything past second edition. Made me furious how they made it into a money thing where you HAD TO HAVE the rules to play the new stuff and it wasnt working with the old rules of second edition.

I was wondering have they kept the DL campaign going since the rules changed over? If so what have they done with the world? I know how it was when the level cap was 19 and everything was good ole fashion AD&D. How has the DL world changed?
#2

valharic

Feb 27, 2007 21:37:28
Yes they have, a few comments.

Margaret Weis Productions has a "lease" on the Dragonlance publishing and publishes all the 3rd edition product. While they certainly have products that are similar to 2nd edition material, MPW has certainly done alot to put things in comprehensive source books. The WotL SB is probably one one the best RPG books I have ever read for RPG material. Also, MWP is moving forward with material. They have the Age of Mortals source book and the AoM campaign. In addition to that, they have put out resource books including the Towers of High Sorcery, Holy Order of the Stars, and Knightly Orders of Ansalon. These are books are for even those who don't play the D20 system. There's just as much fluff as crunch.

I would recommend going to the Dragonlance websiteand check out their products, and you'll see what I mean.

Oh, and by the way. Those materials were made by life long fans of DL.
#3

valharic

Feb 27, 2007 21:59:09
whoops, double post
#4

zombiegleemax

Feb 28, 2007 11:44:25
It is well worth buying the products!
#5

damaja

Feb 28, 2007 17:26:29
well I refuse to play anything other than second edition. Even if the books etc are 3rd edition, I might still gbet usefull info out of them.
#6

ravengraygem

Feb 28, 2007 17:33:00
Well, there is quite a bit of useful stuff in there. I finally broke down and got the Dragonlance Campaign Setting myself (though a really cheap price didn't hurt).

Personally, my favorite bits of fluff are the history sections. Though stats for a minotaur race are also nice.
#7

zombiegleemax

Feb 28, 2007 18:18:06
The Races of Ansalon that is supposed to be coming out soon (though in Dragonlance product time the term is relative) there should be more information and IIRC some changes to the races than that information that was presented in the DLCS. DLCS came out like 3 or 4 years ago didnt it?
#8

Dragonhelm

Mar 02, 2007 15:01:07
well I refuse to play anything other than second edition. Even if the books etc are 3rd edition, I might still gbet usefull info out of them.

I used to buy d6 Star Wars books for the fluff material before I ever gamed in the setting. While the new books are d20, there's a ton of setting info that would be useful to any game. Plus, some of it can be adapted.

This is one reason I like Castles & Crusades. It's fairly easy to adapt from AD&D or d20.
#9

zombiegleemax

Mar 04, 2007 11:12:34
Even if you do not use the game material, PRCs, spells, etc, the informatuion and the updating of history in tese soures is wel lworht your time and money to acquire them.
#10

ranger_reg

Mar 05, 2007 0:05:17
ok, I pretty much have everything in print for most of all the second edition campaign worlds. I kinda just had to have it hehe But they changed it all to 3rd ed and I just refused to buy anything past second edition. Made me furious how they made it into a money thing where you HAD TO HAVE the rules to play the new stuff and it wasnt working with the old rules of second edition.

You were furious?

Bah! That pales to my bursting a coronary when they took one of my favorite AD&D settings and used it for the SAGA System (card-based).

FWIW, 3e brought my beloved setting back home where it belonged, and with better rules than 1e/2e (can't say I missed it nor shed a tear).

Mind you, I have undergone 3 rules changes for D&D (4 if you count the D&D boxed set back in the late 70's/early 80's).
#11

damaja

Mar 06, 2007 18:09:28
rule changes are fine, but this was not a rules revamp. wotc did this to make money, plain and simple. if it was not a money ploy then why did they make it so you had to buy all the NEW stuff to play 3e properly?

I refused to buy the stuff, now mind you I may buy Dragonlance stuff just for the information puropses but to play 3e? nope 2e till I die.
#12

cam_banks

Mar 07, 2007 7:34:37
rule changes are fine, but this was not a rules revamp. wotc did this to make money, plain and simple. if it was not a money ploy then why did they make it so you had to buy all the NEW stuff to play 3e properly?

Wizards of the Coast, like TSR Inc before them, are a business. They do everything to make money. There has never been a Dragonlance or Dungeons and Dragons product yet released that wasn't, first and foremost, published in order to make money.

Of course they did it to make money. The "they just did it to get rich" conspiracy holds no water at all when you're talking about roleplaying games.

Now that we have that out of the way, WotC did something revolutionary with 3rd edition D&D and released the rules to the world in the form of the System Reference Document. For free. You can access them in an easy-to-use HTML format here.

Cheers,
Cam
#13

ranger_reg

Mar 07, 2007 18:01:34
rule changes are fine, but this was not a rules revamp. wotc did this to make money, plain and simple. if it was not a money ploy then why did they make it so you had to buy all the NEW stuff to play 3e properly?

Because it IS a rules overhaul. 2e was just a rules fixer-upper for 1e and even that contains flaws in itself (the biggest was the introduction of character kit, which only look good on whiteboard but not practical application).

Yes, the 3e rules are overwhelmingly heavy, but they have mechanics that I like better than in 2e.
#14

ravengraygem

Mar 07, 2007 18:38:59
I love the 3.0/3.5 rules myself. Not to say there aren't some problems here and there, but then what game EVER had absolutely flawless rules?

But, as Cam pointed out, you can get the SRD at not cost. It's missing all the fluff text, and some WotC-owned monsters, spells, and magic items, but is otherwise fully usable to play the game.

Give it a try. You won't lose anything more than the time it takes to read it over.