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#1 terminus_vortexa Mar 10, 2007 6:11:27	I've been contemplating the use of Ur-Priests as a substitute for the Templar class in my campaign. It seems to me the condensed nature of the class more accurately represents the level of actual magical skill needed to channel spells conveniently sent in nice little packets by an SK. Also, Templars in the DS novels seem to have a range of well developed abilities such as spellcasting and psionics that are independent of their Templar class, and I think using Ur-Priest and freeing up character levels for Psion and Wizard levels allows one to accurately portray a multi-talented Templar without having them be of such a high level that they'd automatically have to be an epic encounter. Opinions?
#2 cnahumck Mar 10, 2007 8:00:18	That is not a bad idea. I have always thought that the term Templar would be better as a title, and not a base class. What would you make the special abilities of the Templar as a PrC?
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 10, 2007 12:14:24	That is not a bad idea. I have always thought that the term Templar would be better as a title, and not a base class. What would you make the special abilities of the Templar as a PrC? Templar as a PrC seems a really good idea, freeing up character levels but it bars the option of having any low level divine spelcasting enimies to trow at lower level parties in cities (in many placers this guys run the entire administration via low level divine spellcasting..)
#4 terminus_vortexa Mar 10, 2007 16:26:43	In order to adapt the Ur-Priest PrC to fit the role properly, and become available at lower levels, one need only remove the Steal Spell-Like Ability and Siphon Spell Power ability, which justifies dropping the 8 ranks required in Religion and Spellcraft necessary to enter the class down to 5, and the fact that you are recieving your spells from a willing benefactor rather than stealing them should eliminate the requirements for any ranks in Bluff, thus making the PrC attainable at the relatively low 4th level. A level 3 Psion/lv2 Templar is going to give a low-level party big headaches, because he already can cast spells just like a 5th level cleric, plus attack with Psionics. BTW, does anyone remember if Templars were supposed to be able to turn/rebuke undead in 2E? If they couldn't, one would be justified in dropping th entry requirements for the class further.
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 10, 2007 18:26:34	BTW, does anyone remember if Templars were supposed to be able to turn/rebuke undead in 2E? If they couldn't, one would be justified in dropping th entry requirements for the class further. I remember vaguely the have the power to control undeads... may be we colud build a ur priest like Templar PrC, requing only say 6 ranks in Religion and some sort of new feat like Dedicated to (King name) that gives religion (and eventually other depending on the king/queen personality) as a class skill and giving some bonus in the temporal power chain...
#6 mouthymerc Mar 10, 2007 20:02:02	BTW, does anyone remember if Templars were supposed to be able to turn/rebuke undead in 2E? If they couldn't, one would be justified in dropping th entry requirements for the class further. When DS first came out, templars had the ability to rebuke or control undead. The revised edition didn't have a templar class.
#7 hrt Mar 10, 2007 23:45:51	Kinda of-topic I know, but what about making it into some sort of Ur Templar prc? By that I mean a templar who, for whatever reason, has lost their connection to their SK but found a way to still get spells by stealing the energy from other SKs? It would be something of a supprise to a player to find a group of Kalak's templares still able to cast spells.
#8 terminus_vortexa Mar 11, 2007 1:18:10	I do plan on making a ten-level ur-priest based PrC, and I'll probably create a feat allowing a templar to take spells from SKs without their permission. I should have it ready by tomorrow.