spiderman (& other marvel)villians?

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#1

abraham

Apr 04, 2007 16:51:11
how would you fine people do homages to villians from marvel comics?
#2

tykus

Apr 04, 2007 17:49:18
how would you fine people do homages to villians from marvel comics?

Very carefully. Sometimes they're obvious (like Juggernaut). Others take a little tweaking. I actually had a player have his character become a RL version of Ghost Rider (Hey, I was still new to DMing RL, cut me some slack).
#3

kwdblade

Apr 04, 2007 18:47:30
I've got a player that fancies himself the Punisher. Black Powder Avenger class is perfect for it.
#4

darkor

Apr 05, 2007 8:27:28
First: Punisher is a good guy! ^^

Second: I would take a Venomish villain and make him more backstabing style, like: "One short good shot is better then a long combat." Maybe would give him some illusion spells or spell-like ability
#5

zombiegleemax

Apr 15, 2007 11:40:30
Count Victor von Doom from 1602. You'd need to add in him being a wizard since 1602 Doom didn't really seem to be one, but other than that he's pretty good now that he's got the armor. Plus he has all the genetic experimentation to make the Vultures.

Always thought having Doom and the Fantastic Four find themselves duking it out after accidentally ending up in say the Forgotten Realms would be awesome. The Fantastic Four seem too lighthearted for Ravenloft though.
#6

bosh_vant

Apr 20, 2007 8:47:03
First: Punisher is a good guy! ^^

It really wouldn't take much tweaking to change that, and he started out as an adversary to Spiderman anyway. All one would need to do is up the colateral damage, (read dead citizens & civilians in his one man war.) and or make him more likely to punish people for smaller infractions. That would also be the essence of a "good" palidin Darklord.
#7

anansi

Apr 24, 2007 17:04:29
It really wouldn't take much tweaking to change that, and he started out as an adversary to Spiderman anyway. All one would need to do is up the colateral damage, (read dead citizens & civilians in his one man war.) and or make him more likely to punish people for smaller infractions. That would also be the essence of a "good" palidin Darklord.

Sort of like Elena "Strangle-Hold"?
#8

bosh_vant

Apr 25, 2007 5:53:36
Sort of like Elena "Strangle-Hold"?

Yep - Although you might want the Punisher as a non political leader style Darklord such as Adam. Roving about what would be a semi-corrupt citystate and inflicting pain and despiration on the people ... which causes some of them to turn to crime ... which causes him to escalate ... which caused greater pain and despiration in the people ... which causes some of them to turn to crime ... which ........
#9

bosh_vant

Apr 25, 2007 6:05:41
Magneto would be fairly straightfoward.

At his core he is a survior of an attempted genocide who still, rightly believes he is still in the cross hairs. A Visanti or half Visanti could easily fill this role. Any Dark Gifts are simply amunition to get them before they get you.

And while I am shakey on Ravenloft history it is pretty clear that Visanti are based on movie, "Don't go up to the Castle" film gypsies, and they Nazis tried to exterminate them in the Holocaust, (which in X-Men Magneto surrvived,) So it would not be unthinkable that a simmilar pogrom was attempted in at least one of the realms against the Visanti - maybe make him a Psion or something.
#10

zombiegleemax

Apr 25, 2007 13:25:53
Except the Vistani in Barovia...
#11

jesterjeff

Apr 26, 2007 15:59:23
Professor Otto Octavius
Human: Barovian wizard/Archivist/fleshgrafter
Otto has been researching abominations for many a year, going so far as to rescue them from angry villagers and crusading paladins or rangers...of course he promptly disects them for his research.
Some years ago Otto came to the realization, that his human flesh was too weak, to soft, easily corruptable. he began grafting tissues from his test subjects and then growing grafts and symbiotic tissues as well. His research has, at times, drawn the attention of various authorities...so Otto has to deal with them....and his research isn't cheap. He has, on occasion, found it neccessary to procure funds from tax collecters, merchants and travellers. Oddly enough this also gives him a chance to experiment with new grafts...
#12

zombiegleemax

Apr 28, 2007 13:06:38
Magneto actually is a gypsy in the comic.
#13

bosh_vant

Apr 29, 2007 2:14:07
Eberon races would be good here actually.

Mistique - Changeling Assasin. - The rest is pretty much getting her level right for your players.

Wolverine - Shifter or full lycanthrope Barbarian. - His temper could make him a villian pretty quick.


Mize - Cursed human sorcerer - This charicter is pretty obsucre, being one of the leads of "The Craptacular B-Sides" - which only lasted four issues. - He had power of entropy, which he could either use to cause any ordered system to break down, such as gaurd structure, or military chain of command communications. Or more viciously he could fire a Cone of Decay at will. - The field of entropy constanty surrounded him however and he needed to change clothes ever few hours. Not a major curse, but it can be a complication depending on how excuseable public nudity in an emergancy is in your domain. - That was such a cool book, Evan Dorkin rocks.
#14

sptjanly

Apr 29, 2007 6:02:45
How would you incorperate Mr. Sinister?
#15

tykus

Apr 29, 2007 11:13:28
How would you incorperate Mr. Sinister?

A very old vampire with a Lamordian interest.:D

Edit: Or Markovian.
#16

sptjanly

Apr 29, 2007 15:34:06
Cable would make an interesting half iron golem.
#17

zombiegleemax

May 07, 2007 10:34:17
Vermin is much to easy, isn't it?

Cable would make an interesting half iron golem.

Give him insanity (I'm from the future!) and the delusion that he needs to fix some things...
#18

abraham

May 07, 2007 16:47:25
what about venom or carnage?
#19

fiendish_platypus

May 07, 2007 17:49:31
Don't know much about these but I had an NPC with an evil symbiont and the NPC often failed his ego saving throw, becoming evil from the symbiont, one of m players said he reminded him of venom (I think that's the one)
#20

sptjanly

May 07, 2007 18:22:38
Carnage would be a simply amazing villian!

Perhaps something along the lines of the Blood Mage (not sure the exact name for the prestige class or even where I saw it). Paint the town Red!

Venom at times in the comics struck me as a perfect anti-hero. Yes, im well aware he eats brains making him a bad guy, but he does do things sometimes that would be quilified as good, reguardless of his sometimes selfish reasons. He just goes back out and kills afew people to scrub that goodly taint off, no biggie!
#21

kwdblade

May 08, 2007 2:09:03
Carnage would be a simply amazing villian!

Perhaps something along the lines of the Blood Mage (not sure the exact name for the prestige class or even where I saw it). Paint the town Red!

Venom at times in the comics struck me as a perfect anti-hero. Yes, im well aware he eats brains making him a bad guy, but he does do things sometimes that would be quilified as good, reguardless of his sometimes selfish reasons. He just goes back out and kills afew people to scrub that goodly taint off, no biggie!

Blood Magus from the Complete Arcane maybe? There is also the Rage Mage from Complete Warrior.
#22

bosh_vant

May 08, 2007 13:13:18
what about venom or carnage?

That might be a cool idea for a "magic item." (insert sound of sinister laughter.)
#23

dwarfpcfan

May 09, 2007 7:57:23
That might be a cool idea for a "magic item." (insert sound of sinister laughter.)

Or perhaps a Paladin with a symbiont that is the domain Lord :evillaugh

Remember the alien costume saga...
#24

tykus

May 13, 2007 18:31:33
what about venom or carnage?

Take a look at the ectoplasmic skins in Psionic items sections of the Expanded Psionics Handbook and the Complete Psionics Handbook. It doesn't take much tweaking from there. I would make them psionic aberrations using the symbiont rules.
#25

abraham

May 14, 2007 18:22:01
how about rhino or the sandman?
#26

kwdblade

May 15, 2007 8:24:34
The sandman seems elemental to me, perhaps a modified version of the grave elemental.
#27

GreenKnight

May 25, 2007 14:18:01
Magneto actually is a gypsy in the comic.

No he's not. He's a Jew. Doom is the gypsy.

As for a Ravenloft version of Doom, he'd have to be a Vistani. Either a Half-Vistani or a full Vistani (In the latter case, maybe even a Dukkar). He'd also have to be a Spellsword. That way he can wear full plate armor, while still being able to cast arcane spells with a minimum Arcane Spell Failure chance (He should have Mithral Full Plate. If anyone in Ravenloft can get a suit of Mithral armor, it'd be Doom). One could see him as the antithesis of Malocchio Aderre. They're both unredeemably evil, but Malocchio wants to exterminate the Vistani, while Doom would want to protect them (Albeit for his own selfish purposes. To use them as a base from which to extend his power).
#28

zombiegleemax

May 26, 2007 2:36:56
No he's not. He's a Jew. Doom is the gypsy.

They've gone back and forth on whether Magneto's Jewish or Rom (I remember reading a discussion on this in another forum, but where I can't remember now)-- after all, there could've been some nasty repercussions from making one of the big villains of the Marvel Universe a Jew (especially in Magneto's pre-Claremont depiction, which was straight-up megalomaniacal villainy without any of the tragic background).

Apparently his wife's Rom, though, so that's why his daughter (the Scarlet Witch) is as well.
#29

GreenKnight

May 28, 2007 16:03:44
They've gone back and forth on whether Magneto's Jewish or Rom (I remember reading a discussion on this in another forum, but where I can't remember now)-- after all, there could've been some nasty repercussions from making one of the big villains of the Marvel Universe a Jew (especially in Magneto's pre-Claremont depiction, which was straight-up megalomaniacal villainy without any of the tragic background).

Apparently his wife's Rom, though, so that's why his daughter (the Scarlet Witch) is as well.

Yeah, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are half gypsy, but not Magneto. He's Jewish. It may be different in the Ultimate Universe, but that's a whole other continuity. I'm talking about the normal continuity. Here're a couple sources...

Magneto's Wikipedia entry.
Marvel.com entry on Magneto
The Magneto is Jewish FAQ
#30

abraham

May 31, 2007 14:21:56
how might they work in mausqe of the red death?
#31

sptjanly

Jun 01, 2007 16:32:16
What would act as Magneto's Astriod M?
#32

zombiegleemax

Jun 02, 2007 13:56:29
First: Punisher is a good guy! ^^

Second: I would take a Venomish villain and make him more backstabing style, like: "One short good shot is better then a long combat." Maybe would give him some illusion spells or spell-like ability

Punisher is not a good guy. Assassins and murderers are not good guys.