MWP Announcement
Here's the thread on the main board.
This news is truly very sad.Is there any chance we'll still see Dragons of Spring?!?
Originally Posted by Queen of Darkness
I want to assure you that ALL the product we have scheduled to come out in 2007 will come out. We will be allowed to sell off product into 2008.
Does this mean, there's no more novels as well?
:raincloud 
There has been talk of 4th ed for some time perhaps that is when DL will make its triumphant return to glory. Quite honestly i would have been disappointed to see DL turn into Forgotten Realms where everything is just insane with epic characters everywhere and more broken classes/spells/monsters/ect... than the total put out for other settings.
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Does this mean, there's no more novels as well?
I agree!
Good question about the novel's for they better be continued!
I agree!
Good question about the novel's for they better be continued!
The novels will continue.
I'll reply more later when time permits.
Since they don't care about their customers, I guess I'll just stop caring about whether or not they stay in business or not.
Quite frankly, as long as PCI keeps putting out Arcanis, I could care less about whether or not WOTC stays around.
According to Ms. Weis 9from the Dragonlance boards @ dragonlance.com:
Originally Posted by Queen of Darkness
I want to assure you that ALL the product we have scheduled to come out in 2007 will come out. We will be allowed to sell off product into 2008.
But was Dragons of Winter scheduled for 2007? I haven't seen that anywhere...
First Dragon, and Dungeon magazines don't get their license renewed, now Dragonlance.
You know what Wizards? You just lost another customer. I was going to continue to purchase D&D Minis, but it's really not that great a product to justify me continuing to allow you to screw my favorite companies in the business.
Maybe my dollars don't matter, but the couple grand I've spent over the past couple years are no longer available to you.
Amazing. Truly amazing.
It is my undesrtanding that the novels are solely owned by WotC. So novels will continue, it's just the open gaming licence that has changed here.
???Um, no. It's the exclusive licensing agreement between Wotc and SovPress/MWP that has changed ... or in this case, it's expiring and WotC chose not to renew.
What does the OGL have anything to do with Dragonlance?
What does the OGL have anything to do with Dragonlance?
Nothing at all - it's just the license MWP had to produce gaming material. The OGL is irrevocable, as I understand it.
Races of Ansalon, Dragons of Krynn, the Map Pouches, and the Dragons of Winter/Spring products are still scheduled to be completed. So hopefully there's still lots of DL goodness left to come.
You, yes YOU Wizards, KILLED MY DRAGONLANCE.
Yes, but reversing it is just a 5th level spell. ;)
And so this decision by WotC can only lead me to say things that should only be muttered by sailors.
WotC doesn't know how to run a business, so they make sure to ruin everybody else's business too. Thanks for nothing.
I don't game, but I buy the Dragonlance game products nonetheless.
And so this decision by WotC can only lead me to say things that should only be muttered by sailors.
WotC doesn't know how to run a business, so they make sure to ruin everybody else's business too. Thanks for nothing.
Yeah, WotC and business sense don't seem to belong in the same sentence, do they?
I just hope that after WotC folds up D&D because nobody wants to deal with them anymore (kinda like TSR) some company that actually cares about its customers will buy the license.
It'd be a nice change from the WotC greed machine.
http://boards1.wizards.com/leaving.php?destination=http://www.enworld.org/
This is the question that was posed on the dragonlance license and the reply.
Is the non-renewal of Margaret Weis’ DRAGONLANCE license connected to this or is it just a coincidence?
Scott: No decisions have been made regarding the Dragonlance license, and we don’t discuss the details of ongoing negotiations.
What to make of this, is it possible that DL might continue with MW? Or is this just a smoke screen?
It is my undesrtanding that the novels are solely owned by WotC. So novels will continue, it's just the open gaming licence that has changed here.
The OGL hasn't changed at all. What changed was the IP license and who has to right to publish Dragonlance products.
Perhaps WOTC is re-claiming their property so that we can get DL products in a timely fashion?
That's going to be on your headstone, you know.
"When will it be out?"
Cheers,
Cam
That's going to be on your headstone, you know.
"When will it be out?"
The only good thing about the license not being renewed is that we don't have to hear that any more. :P
That's going to be on your headstone, you know.
"When will it be out?"
Cheers,
Cam
The only good thing about the license not being renewed is that we don't have to hear that any more. :P
If I have said anything that is untrue then demonstrate it.
:OMG!
I just love it when a posting allows me to use multiple smilies to say what I want without words.
Come on Trey, just let it go. We all know how hard MWP/SP and the members of the Whitestone Council have worked over the years to keep Krynn alive. We're all laying down roses and you're throwing rocks. They deserve more than that, don't they? It's not like the products ever just not came out.
Consider WotC always makes their deadlines, and the vast majority of the books is nothing more than page filler, I'd rather purchase products from these guys and gals, who you can tell put all of their heart and soul into making a quality publication.
People get hurt and offended when this is mentioned but again they are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they do get paid for their work. In my profession we have deadlines. If we do not make the deadlines then we at least have to tell our supervisior that we are going to be late in the project.
In a fanbased system the fans should be told that the product is going to be released and an expected time for release should happen. Months and in some cases years pass in this case and little or no information is forthcoming as to when the product will be relased. If they have no idea then say so. Some information is better than none.
That's going to be on your headstone, you know.
"When will it be out?"
His nine-month pregnant wife killed him for asking the same question.
Seriously, though, it's understandable when someone is upset over delays. It's just when the individual harps on the issue to the point of annoyance that it becomes a problem.
So the best way to handle it is to ask once (expressing your opinion in a polite manner), wait for your answer, and go on. Just realize that the answer may differ from what you want to hear and don't let it consume you.
The only good thing about the license not being renewed is that we don't have to hear that any more. :P
RE: BSG RPG
"When will it be out?" :evillaugh
Seriously, though, it's understandable when someone is upset over delays. It's just when the individual harps on the issue to the point of annoyance that it becomes a problem.
So the best way to handle it is to ask once (expressing your opinion in a polite manner), wait for your answer, and go on. Just realize that the answer may differ from what you want to hear and don't let it consume you.
Quoted for Truth.
Also, I find it odd that when anyone of the employees insults other people there are very few people who protest THAT.
I do not see how asking that products be released when they say they are going to be released or that more information be given about it is a negative thing.
It's not. But when you ask over and over and over again, ad nauseum, it becomes very annoying and borderline trolling.
Yes, we know you don't like it when products are delayed. Now get over it b/c we don't want to hear your whining anymore.
It's not. But when you ask over and over and over again, ad nauseum, it becomes very annoying and borderline trolling.
Yes, we know you don't like it when products are delayed. Now get over it b/c we don't want to hear your whining anymore.
For better or for worse, welcome to the age of the internet. People don't wait quietly for next month's magazine to come in on the off chance it will contain information about the movie or game or book they're interested in. People are getting used to being able to get the information they want when they want it.
Which means people like having projected release dates very early in the game . . . but it also means people like frequent updates that reassure them that products are on target for said projected release dates. And if products are going to be delayed, people are gonna want to know that. They'll also want to know the new release dates. Better yet, they'd prefer to know why the products are being delayed.
That's just how I think it tends to work these days. A lot of people don't tend to think that if new information hasn't been released in a few weeks it's because there's nothing new to tell - just that it's being withheld. Consumers are less patient with being kept in the dark these days. Doesn't mean they don't expect to be kept in the dark most of the time - the opposite is true, I think - but it does mean they don't like it.
But to constantly be asking,
Is it out yet?
Is it out yet?
Is it out yet?
Why isn't it our yet?
Is it out yet?
Is just plain annoying and should be stopped by the moderators, IMHO. At some point it moves from being truly a question to being an underhanded way of attacking the publisher.
Wolfenguard, if you dont like it you dont have to respond.
It's the manner in which it's delivered that makes all the difference.
You can ask about when a book is being released as often as you like, but if you frame the questions as sarcastic statements or snarky digs at the company and/or its employees, then overall the reaction isn't going to be positive.
Cheers,
Cam
If the Dragonlance webpage were accurate then that would be a place to go.
Wolfenguard, if you dont like it you dont have to respond.
This isn't a huge deal, books get delayed all the time. Movies get delayed all the time. I know that sometimes it seems that things are being delayed, but maybe there is another side to the coin. Perhaps the reasoning for the delays, is because these folks are ambitious and try to release things as quick as humanly possible. Sometimes things don't go right, and they have to move the date back. It's part of the entertainment industry.
I think that raging at WotC isn't the right thing to do. Sensible discourse is fine, and I understand your aggression to WotC. I love DL, it was the first campaign setting I ran and the first ed setting still has pride of place on my shelf, with all my DL novels. However, does WotC announcing the non-renewal of the license mean I can't play anymore. Certainly not!
It is irritating, it does defy belief and I have been collecting the MWP books and have seen how much attention and quality was poured into them. All the writers/illustrators over there need to be told they have done a damn fine job.
Do I believe that WotC can put the same quality into their releases (if any?)? I seriously don't know because I haven't seen them yet. I'll reserve judgement until then.
I'll agree with Trampas that it doens't mean that DL is dead and that this is a good chance for the fans to rally and keep it alive.
I'm going to keep on playing, no matter who or what is publishing, because I'm happy with what I've got on the shelf and in my head.
I'm not having a go at anyone here - I certainly don't want to be aggressive or demeaning - that is not my style. We can look back fondly, we can experience the uncertainty of the moment now - but we can keep playing.
See you all somewhere on Ansalon.
Thanks Bandit.
1. Wizards is not making as much as they would like so they are taking back their license hoping to get the revenue from it. Hope they can be just as diligent in creating interesting and accurate information about DL as SP.
2. SP Press was making too much money from a product that Wizards felt was dead in the water. Now that somebody else has put the effort into revitializing the setting they want their toy back.
3. Wizards is concerned that DL may be drawing too many consumers away from traditional D&D and therefore intend to kill DL so they may force these consumers to buy D&D.
THis of course is just the conclusions I have come too. If you have others, or more info please say so.
We will probably never hear why WOTC decided to take back THEIR property.
DL may end but the world and adventures we know will live on in ours hearts and will never end. We will not allow it to end, DRAGONLANCE RULES!!!!
Time is only a illusion.
Get the products out on time or at least give a heads up and people wouldnt be as upset when they dont come out.
Again, it's not that people are upset that is at issue here for me, personally. It's how that's expressed.
Cheers,
Cam
Again, it's not that people are upset that is at issue here for me, personally. It's how that's expressed.
Cheers,
Cam
That is the part that I can never understand. I get that people like being regularly updated and kept up to date on what's happening with a release they're looking forward to. I don't see a problem with "are we there yet" type questions as a whole; as a matter of fact, while they may become repetitive for those who read them, that type of impatient anticipation is probably a good thing. And I can certainly understand that missed deadlines can upset people.
It's the rudeness that's inexcusable. I don't get that part at all. I don't know what it's meant to accomplish - it seems entirely counterintuitive. And the me-against-them mentality, where people almost seem to think that the product is late because the producer secretly hates its customers, is highly irrational.
I have never said that it was an us against them mentality.
Never said you did
I'm just saying there's a tendency for people to freak out a bit too much and start getting rude, acting almost as if there's some sinister ulterior motive for delays and the like. I really wasn't speaking of you specifically. Honestly, at the very least I agree with you wholeheartedly that delays should always be accompanied by as immediate notification as is reasonable.Well spoken True Altatean
Thanks Bandit.
Many thanks, Trey.
One point that was brought up in the cast was that a new (?) initiative has risen, something with Solomnia in the title, dedicated to new resources.
Does anyone have any leads on the page they were talking about?
Any help would be most gratefully recieved.
However, I certainly don't mind istening to it again. I'll post tomorrow night as soon as I have some more information, then.
Thanks anyway.
I have not heard about this. If more info is forthcoming please let us know.
It's a fan based resource book used in conjucntion with KOoA and the Rise of Solamnia novels to be used for a campaign based inthe region. Dragonhelm and Ravenmantle were the idea men and RM is the lead man putting it together. Here's a quote from him on what they are working on.
What we have so far is we've determined the chapters we want in the book which goes something like this:
Chapter One – Solamnia Rising
Chapter Two – Palanthas
Chapter Three – Solanthus, Thelgaard, and Caergoth
Chapter Four – Other Regions of Solamnia
Chapter Five – Factions of Solamnia
Chapter Six – Playing in a Solamnia Rising Campaign
Appendix One – Game Mechanics
Appendix Two – NPCs
Then we've determined a layout for the cities which is based on the layout used in Mysteries of the Moonsea only with even more detail.
As for the graphic design of the sourcebook, I'm still working on that. But it'll definitely be printer-friendly.
Ravenmantle
Once it's completed it'll be available out on the DLNexus. It's still early in the process, and no release date has been set.
I've been a little busy in the last week so I wasn't able to get on and post. however, I certainly wouldn't have been able to provide the same level of detail.