They do this thing of on the top ten most famious or wanted dragons, and Borys is #10, which is the opposite of what you want on a top ten list. Hell - they even had this fricken lame cartoon dragon'like thing that came in higher than Borys!
Damn them!
That was my rant, just thought I would share it
I'd would think that Dregoth would have beat out Borys. He has much more depth to him IMO.
Yeah - only because Borys did not make it out of the first set of novels alive. Plus - Dregoth was not as well known, whereas all of the dragon artwork done in the books (aside from the CbtSS) was done as variations of Borys.
But still - 10th!
I am outraged!
Out of curiosity, who ranked #1?
The dragon lich named Dragotha that was featured in the Dungeon Adventyre Path called Age of Worms - course this critter did have a treasure hoard that took a full page in the mag to list out and describe, so...
The dragon lich named Dragotha that was featured in the Dungeon Adventyre Path called Age of Worms - course this critter did have a treasure hoard that took a full page in the mag to list out and describe, so...
That's bullsh*t. How can a recently released series of adventures in Dungeon Magazine have the most famous dragon in it. I'm absolute certain that far more people are familiar with the Dragons from the Drizz't Do'urden novels (such as Icy Death) and from Dragon Lance (such as Malystrax).
The only reason they choose that one is because they (Paizo) created it and they want to make there creations the most important.
If Dragotha is so F'ing famous why aren't they making an DDM icon out of him instead of Icying Death???:hoppingma
I'd would think that Borys rightfully beat out Dregoth. He has much more depth to him IMO.
Care to elaborate? ;)
That's bullsh*t. How can a recently released series of adventures in Dungeon Magazine have the most famous dragon in it.
The only reason they choose that one is because they (Paizo) created it and they want to make there creations the most important.
If Dragotha is so F'ing famous why aren't they making an DDM icon out of him instead of Icying Death???
Um, dude, Dragotha is probably older than you are. It is possibly older than I am. Paizo didn't create it. It was from the original World of Greyhawk. Possibly the first example of a dragon-lich ever.
From whence comes Dragotha?
Now get off my lawn!
Damn kids.
I'd would think that Dregoth would have beat out Borys. He has much more depth to him IMO.
Care to elaborate? ;)
Care to elaborate? ;)
Dregoth is one of the few, if not only, SKs to make through the last stages of the dragon metamorphosis without going insane. He was betrayed and murdered by his former compatriots. Back from the dead (so to speak) he's bent on revenge and traveled the multiverse to find the means to this end. He's transformed his followers into a form he finds more fitting for his vision of Athas’ future. On the verge of becoming the worlds first deity, Dregoth could be even more of a threat than to Athas than Rajaat ever was.
Those are my reasons any how.
Um, dude, Dragotha is probably older than you are. It is possibly older than I am. Paizo didn't create it. It was from the original World of Greyhawk. Possibly the first example of a dragon-lich ever.
From whence comes Dragotha?
Now get off my lawn!
Damn kids.
What he said. DS was always a niche line with D&Der's. Not really sure who I would vote for in the D&D
Dregoth is one of the few, if not only, SKs to make through the last stages of the dragon metamorphosis without going insane. He was betrayed and murdered by his former compatriots. Back from the dead (so to speak) he's bent on revenge and traveled the multiverse to find the means to this end. He's transformed his followers into a form he finds more fitting for his vision of Athas’ future. On the verge of becoming the worlds first deity, Dregoth could be even more of a threat than to Athas than Rajaat ever was.
Those are my reasons any how.
The Champion meta worked differently, in the game and the novels, it seems. Borys was transformed a lot of stages at once, so we don't know if the Champion would have gone insane if he had transformed step by step, the same is true for Kalid-Na. The Champions, it seems, are more different from the other Athasian Dragons then we know.
Dregoth is till now the only Champion who has gone so far, step by step. Maybe the Champions are spared the Dragon rage, till the last level and that was the reason the ypunished Dregoth, maybe Borys just didn't wanted to have someone who equals his power, I'm not sure, but the only one, except Rajaat, knowing the full effects and differences of the Champion and the Dragon meta, is or was Borys.
This said, Nibenay may be the next one who succeeds. I like Dregoth but the potential Borys had is still the greatest IMHO, a shame he is dead. With his Army of Kaisharga (ok only 25 but each one surely beyond level 21 in the 2nd ed) , the most powerful Undead, except Dregoth :P, the greatest City-State, surrounded by natural defensive hazards, a vast knowledge of Athas, Magic and Psionics, I guess even more then all the other SK combined, he deserves to be the Top-Dog of Athas Dragons. Just my opinion, but after Valley of Dust and Fire I doubted my Players would even come near his Sanctuary ;).
All the other SK have to keep their Cities alive, pay the levy, watch their backs and if they find some time, study the arcane and psionic arts. Borys had only to collect the level, cast the warding spells and then he had enough free time to study, learn and travel XD, even more then Dregoth, whose hatred keeped him focused on the only task he deemed worthy enough, becoming a God.
Um, dude, Dragotha is probably older than you are. It is possibly older than I am. Paizo didn't create it. It was from the original World of Greyhawk. Possibly the first example of a dragon-lich ever.
Exactly. 1979, White Plume Mountain. He just appears as a picture of a skeletal dragon on a map, with a legend saying "Beyond to the lair of Dragotha, the undead dragon, where fabulous riches and hideous death await." Didn't even have dracoliches back then. He has appeared in a number of forms since, with AoW being the most recent.
Oh, and you kids get off my lawn too...
How can I be on all your lawns at once?
You have the Improved Lawn Hopping feat?
How can I be on all your lawns at once?
Maybe they are a couple, married or otherwise? :D
Maybe they are a couple, married or otherwise? :D
cute couple
Does it say anything else in the article? Is there any kind of description that goes with the list? Does it say that Dark Sun is the coolest RPG setting ever? ;)
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