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Reference for Wizards of High Sorcery - Prestige Class necessary or not?

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
sinister_dm
Jun 06, 2007 5:14:25 I read somewhere that you do not necessarily have to take the Wizard of High Sorcery Prestige Class to become a Wizard of High Sorcery. Could anyone please point out where I read this?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jun 06, 2007 6:25:44 I dont think that it has been written down anywhere officially. However, once a wizard takes the Test they do not have to take the levels in the PrC. That is only for mages who dedicate themselves to the Orders and to the magic. The Kingfishers are one example. If you have Knightly Orders look at the example in that work. He has only two levels in WOHS and many more in just plain wizard.
#3
cam_banks
Jun 06, 2007 6:59:41 Passing the Test is a prerequisite for the prestige class, but having the prestige class is not a requirement to be a Wizard of High Sorcery. It's the same with the Knights of Solamnia - you don't have to have the classes to be a knight.

Towers of High Sorcery should explain this, too, especially since we revised that class and removed the "you get this class immediately upon passing the Test" nonsense from the DLCS.

Cheers,
Cam
#4
zombiegleemax
Jun 06, 2007 13:56:28 I dont think that there was anything wrong with how WOTC set it up in the DLCS. MWP just gave more options. Still not as bad as some of the editorial things that have come out since in DL sources.
#5
clarkvalentine
Jun 06, 2007 14:31:44 The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that.
#6
cam_banks
Jun 06, 2007 15:28:07
The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that.

The prerequisites were also lousy, and there were a few other things that needed fixing. All in all, I'm glad we got the chance to revise it.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 06, 2007 20:08:31
The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that.

But most Dms in my experience give enough xp in the Test so that characters can take a level i nthE PRC anyway.
#8
cam_banks
Jun 06, 2007 22:32:55
But most Dms in my experience give enough xp in the Test so that characters can take a level i nthE PRC anyway.

Right, but if they don't have all the prerequisites yet for some reason, they can still take the Test and not qualify for the PrC. Like Raistlin.

Cheers,
Cam
#9
zombiegleemax
Jun 06, 2007 23:32:56 But Raistlin was young when he took the Test, that accounts for it I would say.
#10
clarkvalentine
Jun 06, 2007 23:35:40 So? He still didn't qualify for the PrC, which the DLCS says he is required to qualify for.

Just like many wizard player characters out there - I distinctly remember a thread where a player complained that it was so difficult to get all the feats for the PrC by 5th level, but he had no choice because he was required to qualify.

That confusion is now gone. (Er. For the players who have a copy of ToHS, anyway.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sinister_dm Jun 06, 2007 5:14:25	I read somewhere that you do not necessarily have to take the Wizard of High Sorcery Prestige Class to become a Wizard of High Sorcery. Could anyone please point out where I read this?
#2 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2007 6:25:44	I dont think that it has been written down anywhere officially. However, once a wizard takes the Test they do not have to take the levels in the PrC. That is only for mages who dedicate themselves to the Orders and to the magic. The Kingfishers are one example. If you have Knightly Orders look at the example in that work. He has only two levels in WOHS and many more in just plain wizard.
#3 cam_banks Jun 06, 2007 6:59:41	Passing the Test is a prerequisite for the prestige class, but having the prestige class is not a requirement to be a Wizard of High Sorcery. It's the same with the Knights of Solamnia - you don't have to have the classes to be a knight. Towers of High Sorcery should explain this, too, especially since we revised that class and removed the "you get this class immediately upon passing the Test" nonsense from the DLCS. Cheers, Cam
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2007 13:56:28	I dont think that there was anything wrong with how WOTC set it up in the DLCS. MWP just gave more options. Still not as bad as some of the editorial things that have come out since in DL sources.
#5 clarkvalentine Jun 06, 2007 14:31:44	The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that.
#6 cam_banks Jun 06, 2007 15:28:07	The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that. The prerequisites were also lousy, and there were a few other things that needed fixing. All in all, I'm glad we got the chance to revise it. Cheers, Cam
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2007 20:08:31	The statement in the DLCS that someone who passes the test "automatically gains a level of this class" is pretty bad. All sorts of confusion came from that. But most Dms in my experience give enough xp in the Test so that characters can take a level i nthE PRC anyway.
#8 cam_banks Jun 06, 2007 22:32:55	But most Dms in my experience give enough xp in the Test so that characters can take a level i nthE PRC anyway. Right, but if they don't have all the prerequisites yet for some reason, they can still take the Test and not qualify for the PrC. Like Raistlin. Cheers, Cam
#9 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2007 23:32:56	But Raistlin was young when he took the Test, that accounts for it I would say.
#10 clarkvalentine Jun 06, 2007 23:35:40	So? He still didn't qualify for the PrC, which the DLCS says he is required to qualify for. Just like many wizard player characters out there - I distinctly remember a thread where a player complained that it was so difficult to get all the feats for the PrC by 5th level, but he had no choice because he was required to qualify. That confusion is now gone. (Er. For the players who have a copy of ToHS, anyway.)