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#1zombiegleemaxJul 01, 2007 14:57:42 | Not sure if there has been a thread about this before. But how has everyone dealt with the Binder class (from Tome of Magic) in Ravenloft. It is a great class with tons of flavour, which I think suits Ravenloft. I'm sure you could create a perfect path for a character or NPC to follow. I'm also sure that some new Dread Vestiges could be engineered. Pershaps some inspiration could be taken from Voudan |
#2tykusJul 09, 2007 16:16:29 | Not sure if there has been a thread about this before. But how has everyone dealt with the Binder class (from Tome of Magic) in Ravenloft. Maybe some "dread" vestiges could be ex-domain lords that were either defeated or escaped (in essence, a part of them was left behind). Kas would be a good example (he did appear in Dragon as a vestige, after all). |
#3zombiegleemaxJul 09, 2007 16:49:40 | Maybe some "dread" vestiges could be ex-domain lords that were either defeated or escaped (in essence, a part of them was left behind). Kas would be a good example (he did appear in Dragon as a vestige, after all). Sounds good anyone have a list of the Ex-Dark Lords? |
#4humanbingJul 10, 2007 15:15:00 | Hmm. This is tricky. Some dark lords become "ex" because they were killed. Others become "ex" because they were merely removed from Ravenloft and are not necessarily dead. Which do you need? From what I can tell, the following dark lords are dead:
And the following vanished without a trace:
Additional ex-darklords are still around but we're not sure if they are darklords or not:
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#5rotipherJul 10, 2007 15:58:32 | When this issue came up on the FoS board, the idea of making vestiges based on the Major cards of the Tarokka deck was extremely popular. It's also more morally-ambiguous than using ex-darklords, which is consistent with the idea that vestiges aren't good or evil, just spooky and enigmatic. |
#6gonzoronJul 10, 2007 16:08:59 |
Was dead. now he's back, as of CotN:Werebeasts.
Most likely false history. Az's full name is Firan Darcalus Zal'honan, and previous products make it clear that he stepped into the mists, and Darkon appeared. Then there's also
Additional ex-darklords are still around but we're not sure if they are darklords or not: He's definitely a darklord. He's listed as such, and he can't leave Borca. The only thing that might indicate he's not a DL is that he can't close the borders, but neither can Drakov. |
#7burningspearJul 10, 2007 17:11:59 | But none the less this thread is proving to be very interesting keep the good work coming |
#8zombiegleemaxJul 10, 2007 17:19:38 | I think another lot of tarot vestiges have been done in another thread, can't remember where. Tarokka is another interseting matter though. |
#9zombiegleemaxJul 10, 2007 17:30:51 | Maybe a change to the class for ravenloft is the influence and sign drawbacks. Perhaps when using an ability granted by the vestige (that requires an action), the sign of the vestige becomes visible and can't be supressed. |
#10zombiegleemaxJul 10, 2007 17:44:44 | An idea that has come up elsewhere regarding vestiges would be to make some of them figures from Ravenloft's false history, which seems fitting enough. And Darklords that were dead (or "dead") and then revived might under some circumstances be a possibility as well. One of the Vestiges suggested in "Tome of Magic" was after all Tenebrous, and there's little to suggest that Tenebrous at any time was anyone but Orcus during a brief stint as semi-revived before he made it back to full life and divinity. |
#11rotipherJul 12, 2007 10:03:25 | [*]Claude Renier, former lord of Richmulot, killed by his daughter Jacqueline (I think, maybe she just took over after he died. I can't remember). Claude was Jacqueline's grandfather, not her father. (Her mom killed her human father, Simon Audaire, when Jackie and Louise were five.) Claude Renier was poisoned by Jacqueline using his chemical bane. |
#12gonzoronJul 12, 2007 11:27:17 | Right... I knew I was misremembering something about Claude, but I couldn't remember what, and was away from my RL library. Thanks for the correction, Rotipher. |
#13tykusJul 22, 2007 16:01:45 | It's also more morally-ambiguous than using ex-darklords, which is consistent with the idea that vestiges aren't good or evil, just spooky and enigmatic. Granted, I don't own the Tome of Magic (yet), the few vestiges I've seen popping up lately (such as the Abyssal vestiges in Dungeon AND Dragon) seems to indicate alignment still plays a factor for the vestige (and I'm not talking about the binder). |
#14zombiegleemaxJul 22, 2007 17:38:17 | Granted, I don't own the Tome of Magic (yet), the few vestiges I've seen popping up lately (such as the Abyssal vestiges in Dungeon AND Dragon) seems to indicate alignment still plays a factor for the vestige (and I'm not talking about the binder). Well the vestige is a definite personality, and some are evil. Normal D&D doesn't label any of the abilities evil unless they're based on a [Evil] spell. Maybe a powers check (in some cases madness save) for making a poor pact with an evil vestige. |
#15zombiegleemaxAug 07, 2007 9:28:32 | I love this only problem is has any one done any work to stat these guys up, a list of names is great but what about the powers they grant? if i had the books i'd do some work but my older brother has then and he's half way across the country. When he came home for 4th of July i played a binder warlock worked out great with the feel of Ravenloft. |
#16MidwayHavenAug 12, 2007 0:19:36 | My direction here with binders is to just make completely new vestiges, with more sinister motives. |
#17SysaneAug 14, 2007 15:36:23 | Not that I know a lot about binders and vestiges, but has anyone thought of basing them off the Seven Deadly Sins (lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride) and the Seven Holy Virtures ( chastity, abstinence, liberality, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility)? That would seem very gothic flavored to me anyway. |
#18ravenloftlover347Aug 20, 2007 20:12:35 | I think Kas should be one of the vestiges. I can't remember exactly which one it is but he does appear as one in a Dragon that was doing additional vestiges. |
#19thanaelAug 21, 2007 2:56:48 | HMB what's your source for Vecna vanquishing Kas? Is it canon? |
#20humanbingAug 21, 2007 8:10:39 | I have no source for it, just what I read from somebody else's post. Very likely the post was on FraternityofShadows.com, and I believe they referred to a Dragon magazine article whereby Kas was mentioned as being defeated by Vecna when Vecna ascended to godhood. |
#21thanaelAug 21, 2007 11:15:28 | Ah thanks. That would probably be from the Vestige article in Dragon. Also i found the FoS threads. Now this really makes me want to get Deepshadow and Nathan of the Fraternity together to write an article (or a short story) about the Burning Peaks Cluster. |