I know this isn't the minis forum, but I wanted to post here, and get some more expert opinions before I go ranting over there.
In the new Night Below D&D Minatures set, as part of the release event, Raistlin's epic stat card was a promo. Hooray, of course, and a long time coming.
However, I take issue with the card. His regular card is LG/CG, which I think is fine. Since there's no N in DDM, it's fair to allow him in either side in the minis game. In his epic though, he's listed as solely a CE, rather than a LE/CE split.
Now while I agree that eventually you have to say he was solely CE, at least in terms of not being able to choose NE, I feel he should have been included as LE on this card.
While he eventually did things such as create new life, and obviously turned his back on the moons, didn't he bend the laws of magic to his will before all that? When he entered the Abyss, and in the alternate future destroyed the pantheon, wasn't it because he used laws of magic in his own way? (Basically exploiting loopholes, which is the heart of LE behavior IMO.)
I really feel a LE split would have been fair in this case. However, I'll admit I could be very wrong. What is the opinion of you all out there? Given that there is no option for NE in DDM, should Raistlin's epic levels be considered LE at all?
I just went over the entry in the Legends of the Twins sourcebook for Raist, and it clearly states that he went against the laws of the Conclave and became a renegade wizard, which obviously is counter to my argument. My point is though, couldn't Raistlin have been considered LE at some point in his career, before he stole Fistandantilus' soul? (Given that there are no options for NE in D&D Minis.) (I'll also admit, I really wanted a powerful spellcaster for LE in DDM, and Raist would have been the center of any warband for me.)
TIA for any and all comments!
Is there a black rober version available?
There is not a black robe version available unfortunately. (I don't believe there are plans for one either. That already drew complaints a while back when this piece was announced.)
The epic card is meant to portray him in his black robe stage, but it is to be used with the red robe piece that is in the set.
Well, I don't know much about miniatures, but Raistlin has always seemed more Lawful Evil than Chaotic Evil to me. When he stole Fistandantilus' soul, he seemed Chaotic but he did do some things that were Lawful (if my memory serves me correctly). So, I agree that the card should have said that.
That's how I feel. Sure, he's done some Chaotic things, such as like you mention, the situation with Fisty, and the fact that he becomes a renegade (thereby breaking the rules established by the Conclave.)
However, the description of LE in the Player's Handbook says:
Lawful Evil, "Dominator": A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts...
...Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil.
Yet, the same PB states CE is:
Chaotic Evil, "Destroyer": A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable...
...Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized...
...The demented sorcerer pursuing mad schemes of vengence and havoc is chaotic evil...
Now DDM approaches alignment differently than the RPG. That's understandable. There's no Neutral option in DDM. It's obviously far easier to put Raistlin in the NE category than any other, since sometimes he uses rules to his advantage, and sometimes he ignores them.
This is why I truly feel like Raistlin should have been a split LE/CE epic. His LG/CG standard card reflects his true N nature perfectly IMO. I just feel the same treatment should have been served with the epic card. (Plus, I really wanted a true power spellcaster in the LE epic game. Elminster gets to split the good side, why not Raistlin on the other end? Unless WotC doesn't want to see Raist wipe the floor with him. ;) )
In one preview for the latest set (covering Raistlin, Wulfgar, and Lady Vol), it was said: "In addition to their inclusion in Night Below, you'll see alternate paint versions of two of these rare miniatures later this year, if you are in the right place at the right time."
We already know Wulfgar will be included, along with Drizzt, in the Gargantuan White Dragon Icon box. As for the second alternate paint, I'm quite confident it'll be a black-robed master of past and present, and that the right place and right time mean Indiannapolis and August 16-19.
Raistlin Majere (CE)
Cost 177
Level 12
Speed 6
AC 18
HP 80
Melee Attack +12 (5 Magic)
Type Humanoid - Human
Special Abilities
Unique, Independant
Combat Casting
Debilitating Magic (whenever this creature casts a spell, it can take 5 damage to either get damage +5 with that spell or
increase that spell's DC by 4)
Devoted Companions (Whenever an enemy attacks this creature, you can choose 1 adjacent Humanoid ally as the target
instead)
Master of Past and Present (enemies must roll twice for saves against this creature's spells and take the lower result)
Perfect Targeting
Spell Penetration
Tower of High Sorcery (swift; move this creature to your start area)
Spells
9th: Meteor Swarm [] (40 fire damage to all enemies in line of sight; DC 21), Time Stop [] (self; activate 3 additional times this round)
8th: Power Word Stun [](range 6; Stun Target creature with 150 or fewer hp, ignore spell resistance)
7th: Finger of Death [] (range 6 destroy target living creature, 25 damage instead on successful save; DC 19)
5th: Empowered Lighting Bolt [unlimited] (line 12; 30 electricity damage; DC17)
Let's see. What do I need to explain to those who don't know anything about D&D Minis.
Combat Casting means this creature can cast while adjacent to an enemy (you usually can't).
Perfect Targeting means you can target any creature you have line of sight to (normally, an archer or spellcaster must target the closest enemy or ally it sees).
Tower of High Sorcery lets you withdraw a near-dead Raistlin from melee near the end of a match so that your opponent doesn't get the chance to score points for eliminating it.
Also, for an epic miniature, Raistlin has very low hp for his cost. But that's to be expected from a physical weakling like him.
Would painting a Red Raistlin black still look good?
I painted a red-robed kobold sorcerer black to represent Master Yap and it looks great.
Cheers,
Cam
I painted a red-robed kobold sorcerer black to represent Master Yap and it looks great.
I think I painted him. ;)
And yes, it looks fantastic, especially if you thin the black paint enough to let just a hint of red to come through on the folds.
I think I painted him. ;)
You did? Whoops! No wonder it was such a good paint job.
Cheers,
Cam
For shame Cam, taking someone else's credit.
Yes, next thing you know I'll be making Pyrite a chaotic evil gold dragon. Oh, the humanity. Mea culpa. Donde esta la pollo.
Cheers,
Cam
acutally, it should read, el pollo.
Not where I come from!
And it's "actually," not "acutally."
I'm hoping to pick up a copy of a Raistlin miniature at GenCon this year. I'll see if I can't find somebody willing to part with one for cheap.
Cheers,
Cam
Ahh, we would not want to accuse ye of being from the Land of Isabel and Santiago, or anywhere near there, now would we laddy?
Nah, he's a fruit....
Er, I mean, Kiwi (New Zealand that is).
...such as like you mention, the situation with Fisty...
hehehehehehe...."Fisty".
That's all I have to contribute to this conversation.
What is that I hear?
The call of a fig?
