Newly released map: Jagged Cliffs Region v1.0.
I also updated The Tyr Region map to v1.1. I added boulder fields, Renamed "Haakar" "Akarakle", and labeled the "Gold Road".
If anyone notices any discrepancies or problems please let me know.
You're Tysch's brother?
Yes, I am David Tisch's Brother.
On the thread regarding your other map, you requested a list of the locations you had missed. So, I figure I'll post the list here, and just continue with a list of those locations missed on your latest map (although this will likely be very short). I will admit that many of these sites might not fit the scale of your first map, but would need to be included in the Tyr region map you spoke of making.
Anyhoo....
The List
The Silent Forest - surrounds Dasaraches in the Dragon Crown Mountain (likely too small for this scale)
The Circle - thri-kreen burial site directly north of Chak’sa
unnamed oasis - east and slightly north of the northernmost oasis marked on your map, in the Hinterlands
the trade road connecting Urik to Makla, and Ogo
The Crater of Bones - "burial" site within the Smoking Crown Mtns
Ahpotex - elemental shrine in the Ringing Mtns east of Ogo
Grace - water shrine IIRC, located on the western side of the Lake of Golden Dreams
Valley of the Think Maker (and the nearby boulder field) - halfling site just west of your little mountain “island” in the Forest Ridge
Jalaxa - halfling village; southeast of that lake in the Forest Ridge, barely into the Ringing Mtns.
Gunginwald - elemental shrine within the Ringing Mtns, @ half way between Jalaxa and Tyr
Utbo - elven grove, just southwest of Hidden Village
Desverendi’s Valley (and the nearby boulder field) - on the southern tip of the scrub patch just south of Hidden Village
The Citadel - Borys’s forgotten fortress detailed in the Crimson Legion; east and slightly south of Utbo
Kes’trekel Nest - slave tribe located halfway between the Citadel and Kled.
Mira’s Halo - small village IIRC, east and slightly north of Kled
Canyon of Guthay - huge gash extending from just west of Silver Spring to just west of Abalath
3 unnamed oasis from just west of Urik, to just east of the Citadel, and just west of the Canyon of Guthay
Black Sand Region - large region of black sand east of Silver Spring
Raider’s Camp - home to the Black Sand Raiders; northern tip of the Black Sand Region (might be officially labeled better as Othand - and marked as ruins)
Outpost Ten (and the nearby boulder field, as well as the scrub plain valley to the south); trade post in the Ringing Mtns far to the southeast of Tyr
Rafernard’s Forest - small site dedicated to Rafernard (Abalach-Re); just west of Alturuk
Sortar’s Camp - slave village just southwest of Altaruk
Grak’s Pool - ...is the name of the oasis shown between Altaruk and Ft. Thamo
Rumish’s Rock - east, and slightly north, of Fort Thetis (might just be Rumish Rock???)
Red Obelisk (and the accompanying oasis) - small trade village east of South Ledopolus
Three Rocks - gith holy site/gathering place south, and slightly east, of Red Obelisk
Road of Roshott -... name of the road linking Gulg and Alturuk
The Verdant Belt - verdant region through which the Road of Roshott passes.
Verehan Mud Run - river flowing out of the Crescent Forest
Greshak - client village of Nibenay IIRC
Fume - elemental shrine in the Windbreak Mtns
Bremil Pass - region within the Windbreak Mtns (likely too small for this scale)
Blackspine Gap - region between the Windbreak and Black Spine Mtns (likely too small for this scale)
Yathazor - underground gith city ruins, on the western edge of the Black Spine Mtns
Poortool’s Horde - slave tribe at the southwestern tip of the Black Spine Mtns
Valley of Trevain - region within the Black Spine Mtns (likely too small for this scale)
Tenpug’s Band - slave tribe along the shores of the Silt Sea just west of Cromlin
Fort Xalis - trade post along the road south of Yaramuke
The Black Waters (and the accompanying oasis and badlands) - the river near Yaramuke
Shillisa - elemental shrine IIRC; half way between Bitter Well and Ft Firstwatch, in the Sea of Silt
Groomsh - elemental shrine IIRC; on the mountain just west of the lake on Lake Island
Cleft Rock - oasis west, and slightly north, of the Pristine Tower
Mount Solace - elemental shrine IIRC; on the mountain just west of Salt View
Poisoner’s Pit - hidden sanctuary of the poisoner Wheelock; east and slightly north of North Ledopolus
Heposta, Knosto, Lybdus, Sandar, and Mytinene - the names of the five mountain islands at the mouth of the Estuary of the Forked Toungue (named clockwise starting with the northernmost island, likely too small for this scale)
Baza Islands (and the Straight of Baza) - a series of tiny islands just southwest of the five mountain islands (named above)
Dragon’s Palate - name of the large island just east of Balic
unnamed oasis to the south of Smuggler’s Rest
Anyone have info on the road heading east out of Walis? I drew it in on my “complete” map (I basically marked in every official site not already shown on the original box set map), but cannot, for the life of me, find my source.
Also, there is inconsistency with the names Ablath and Abalath (as it originally appeared on the map)
***All locations are 100% official
Sources include the poster maps included with the Original Box Set, the Revised Box Set, the Ivory Triangle, and the Valley of Dust and Fire, as well as smaller maps located within the Ivory Triangle, Merchant House of Amketch, Forest Maker, the Crimson Legion, and Earth, Air, Fire, and Water.
NOTE - A couple of sites were never placed but were provided with descriptions that allowed for easy placement.
If you need help in placing these accurately, just email me. I'll be happy to help.
This board had been without a Tisch for far too long! Thie emoticon was your brother's favorite, probably because he called himself Cyrus9a :
Those maps are impressive! And, err, sorry for mispelling your name...
No problem
This board had been without a Tisch for far too long!
I agree!
Awesome!!! Lovin' your maps Dasch.
On the thread regarding your other map, you requested a list of the locations you had missed. So, I figure I'll post the list here, and just continue with a list of those locations missed on your latest map (although this will likely be very short). I will admit that many of these sites might not fit the scale of your first map, but would need to be included in the Tyr region map you spoke of making.
Anyhoo....
:OMG! I'll have to look into this... I thought I missed one or two!
I'll have to look into this... I thought I missed one or two!
Oh my, there actually are more locations than those squid digged out.
Mmm, squid, didn't you or someone else - maybe Jiush-Nish - draw up a master list of all locations, somewhere on the boards?
Oh my, there actually are more locations than those squid digged out.
Really? Thought I got 'em all (barring those on the Jagged Cliffs region map - am yet to get to those). Which ones did I miss?
Oh, and also note that I knowingly left out a few sites. These were deemed, by myself, to be getting just too nitpicky. Off the top of my head were:
the Asticles Estate
the Mericles Estate
Shom Camp (which was most likely mobile anyway)
Nibenay Mine
Tyr's Iron Mine
hmmm...mind went blank, but no more than a couple more.
I am trying to get a copy of the Dungeon magazine that has the article about the Troll Grave Chasm and the Patchwork Troll. I am having trouble trying to find it. Does anyone have any suggestions or know how I can get a copy?
Do you need the whole mag? Or are you wanting to run the adventure? Or maybe just looking for the map that goes with it?
Do you need the whole mag? Or are you wanting to run the adventure? Or maybe just looking for the map that goes with it?
I never really thought about it that way. I suppose all I really want is all the DS material.
Hey tasch, do you plan to have separate keys to the maps, or are you waiting to include it in the final release?
What was the issue number?
Dungeon Magazine #56
Article: Grave Circumstances
Author: Bill Slavicsek
Awesome! Keep them coming! :D
Thank you! Currently, I have plans on revising the "Anattan Wastes" map and am now working on the area north of the Anattan Wastes and east of the Jagged Cliffs. My working title is "The Aralan Lakes Region". I my change it as I develop the area. The word Aralan doesn't flow well for me.
...do you plan to have separate keys to the maps, or are you waiting to include it in the final release?
I think I like my brother's idea of keeping the key separate. As of now, I plan on making a universal, overland map key. I can just add to the key if I create any new terrain or symbols.
Brun01 - email me if you want me to work on Portuguese versions of the maps. It would be a simple matter to add another layer with Portuguese text.
Speaking of symbols, has anyone noticed the new symbol for "Special Interest" sites? Do you feel that it meshes well with the other site markers?
I will give one word of warning about my maps. They will not concur with the map of the planet Athas by Steven Bell, Nor will it concur with the wonderful maps designed by Brian Sanchez. I don't agree with mapping Athas out that much. I feel that it is restricting and prevents creativity. That being said, I am looking at those maps for ideas. One of which is the reason I placed Arala in my upcoming map. As a side note, I do not plan on placing any massive holes, craters, or pits in my new maps. TSR ran that in to the ground with the Troll Grave Chasm, Dragon's Bowl, and Lava Gorge. All of which, if ya'll haven't noticed, are almost in a vertical line with each other.
Thank you! Currently, I have plans on revising the "Anattan Wastes" map and am now working on the area north of the Anattan Wastes and east of the Jagged Cliffs. My working title is "The Aralan Lakes Region". I my change it as I develop the area. The word Aralan doesn't flow well for me.
..that and perhaps a region of "Lakes" might seem out of place.:P
All kidding aside, I'm looking forward to your version of the Anattan Wastes. I'm still of the mind that athas.org should adopt this region as official. Just my
I will give one word of warning about my maps. They will not concur with the map of the planet Athas by Steven Bell, Nor will it concur with the wonderful maps designed by Brian Sanchez. I don't agree with mapping Athas out that much. I feel that it is restricting and prevents creativity.
Can't say that I disagree with that, 'specially since large portions of those maps are completely inaccurate in regards to official material.
I would like to see you try your hand at the Deadlands region. Perhaps someone can get in touch with you, with the proper info - HINT HINT
..that and perhaps a region of "Lakes" might seem out of place.
Don't worry, the "lakes" are more of a Green Age reference describing the dominate geological structure of this region. No lakes full of water... at least not many:D
...I'm looking forward to your version of the Anattan Wastes. I'm still of the mind that athas.org should adopt this region as official.
That would be a big decision for many reasons. But I favor the idea as well.
I would like to see you try your hand at the Deadlands region.
I have looked into this. Apparently my brother had already been in contact with the applicable folks and has all the necessary files. He started one in fact. Unfortunately, I don't think many people will be happy with the size of the plain. From what I can tell, it is much smaller than they have in mind.
I have looked into this. Apparently my brother had already been in contact with the applicable folks and has all the necessary files. He started one in fact. Unfortunately, I don't think many people will be happy with the size of the plain. From what I can tell, it is much smaller than they have in mind.
That's some good news. It was never supposed to be that big to begin with (only some 300 square miles IIRC). I think that some people simply just let their imaginations get away from them (whether from seeing the Bell and Brian maps or for some other reason) but I'd much rather there be more variety than one big black map.
Oh my, there actually are more locations than those squid digged out.
Mmm, squid, didn't you or someone else - maybe Jiush-Nish - draw up a master list of all locations, somewhere on the boards?
Sorry Pennarin. Wasn't me.
Oh and by the way Dasch. Great map.:D
Oh and by the way Dasch. Great map.
Thank You!
Ok folks! I am asking for your input. You can help me decide the future placement of Arala!
On the sample map shown below, I need to determine where Arala is. I intend to call this area the Straits of Arala and I envision Arala as a city that was located, during the Green Age, in such a way as to control the straits. Let me know where you feel Arala should be located to achieve this result. If you don't like the preselected sites, that's ok, just point out where.
Thank You!
Ok folks! I am asking for your input. You can help me decide the future placement of Arala!
On the sample map shown below, I need to determine where Arala is. I intend to call this area the Straits of Arala and I envision Arala as a city that was located, during the Green Age, in such a way as to control the straits. Let me know where you feel Arala should be located to achieve this result. If you don't like the preselected sites, that's ok, just point out where.
I would say logicaly region 1 or 2 since stategicaly-in a military way- the location would be best from invasion from the sea.
But alas I dont know the description of the city Arala so I can only speculate on the matter.
Speaking of witch could it be possible to have the city in 2 halfs like Ledopulos north/south. in that case i'd made them region 1 and 2 (first choice) or 3 and 4 with ruin outpost in 1 and 2 location
Hope it help
I've also looked over the Jagged Cliffs region and found the following mistakes
Gleran - misspelled (should be Glerran)
unnamed oasis east and slightly south of Star Rock
Tar-omak - misspelled (should be Ter-omak)
Tarkeg - misspelled (should be Terkeg)
Thunder Mountains - mtn range around the Last Sea region
West Pass - pass through the Thunder Mountains (likely too small for this scale)
South Pass - pass through the Thunder Mountains (likely too small for this scale)
North Pass - pass through the Thunder Mountains (likely too small for this scale)
Kharzden - dwarven village in the North Pass
Shallat - village just north of the Last Sea
Huddleston - village on the northern edge of the Last Sea region
Waishiki - village on the eastern shore of the Last Sea
Cuarsen - village on the southern shore of the Last Sea
Undertown - lizardman village beneath the waves of the Last Sea
the Lonely Butte - island in the Last Sea (likely too small for this scale)
Blufftown - village on the northern side of the Lonely Butte
Giants' Town - village on the southern tip of the Lonely Butte
Little River - river flowing near South Pass into the Last Sea (likely too small for this scale)
Cubarto - village on the southwestern shores of the Last Sea
Big River - river flowing out of the western arm of the Thunder Mtns into the Last Sea (likely too small for this scale)
Rivertown - village near Big River
Spirit Forest - forest on the southwestern edge of the Last Sea region (likely too small for this scale)
Sylvandretta - elven village in the Spirit Forest
you might also move “The Barrier Wastes” tag up just enough to separate it from the oasis it appears to name (color coding not withstanding)
because I would really like to see more of the athas planet to be completed! ;)On a side note: I can't seem to find Dungeon Magazine issue 56, I'll keep looking though.
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I dont know if you have seen Brian maps, but it would be a good idea not to repeat what already have been done. It is just a thought
I understand completely how you feel Grummore. However, I do not intend to map any more of Athas than the regions bordering the Tyr Region and at the moment, only the two east of the Jagged Cliffs Region and the Tyr Region. My maps will not correspond with Brian's maps nor with the map of Athas by Steven Bell. I am offering a different interpretation that complements Diesel's maps and how I perceive the original designer's intentions.
I am always open to suggestions and criticism so feel free to express yourself. I have some great ideas for the region south of the Anattan Wastes, and elsewhere, that I hope will enrich the planet and get DS away from just stony barrens, rocky badlands, etc. but keep to the spirit of the original boxed set.
I have also done one for Hamanu which I based off of an ancient israelian coin. I made it with the idea of it being pressed in clay but I think I will make a new version later as a square medal. This is it so far:
What I need to know from you guys, and gals, is if you know of any references to such medals within any of the DS publications (to include: TSR, Athas.org, Dragon, Dungeon, etc) or if you can point me in the right direction.
As of now, I know that Dregoth's medallion is a sun in the fist of a dragon, but none of the others.
If you don't know of any references or material describing these, let me know what you believe would make a good medallion.
My ideas for the following are as follows:
Draj - round medallion with two cresent moons maybe with a star or three (templars = moon priests)
Balic - A greek-like head/bust of Albeorn
Raam - ???
Eldaarich - a skull?
Kurn - ???
Gulg - A tree
Nibenay - ???
I may even make some for the dead Champions and possible champions:
Barien - octopus (as a illithid head)
Sacha - ???
Wyan - ???
Pennarin - ???
Sielba - ???
Kalid-Ma - ???
Any help would be appreciated.
I have a couple ideas:
Raam - an image of Abalach-Re's face
New Giustenal - the medalion should be in the shape of a dragon in flight
Nibenay, rules from a palace shaped like a massive bust of the Shadow
King himself.
I'd also make it of Obsidian ringed by metal or something along those lines. For another source of inspiration look at Mike's (don't know his last name, sorry Mike) DS coins here.
Also Sacha and Wyan never had cities that I'm aware of, why would they have templar medallions?
EDIT-
After thought: Balic, since they are based on Rome - the Eagle Standard. It was the symbol of Roman might regardless of who was in charge.
Hamanu's templar's medallions start out as clay and become more and more precious metal as they advance. High Templars have Gold. The City Champion has Iron. It's detailed in the early Abbey books.
Almost right...
...Medallions of baked ceramic are worn as well (some medallions are made instead of gold, steel, or bronze - Javed’s = steel). The face of these medallions have bas relief portraits of the Lion King in full stride. On the back, the individuals name is written and the rank shown, according to bureau. Medalions are hung on a chord of inix leater.
High templars (only 50) normally have gold-cast medallions, which are defaced by the claw of Hamanu (the claw mark signifies the advancement, however, so other medallion materials are possible, ie. Pavek's is ceramic).
Hamanu’s Champion - each time this title is received, the medallion of the recipient is embedded with a ruby.
Hero of Urik - the recipient of this title gets a diamond embedded into his medallion.
**Javed's medalion, as stated above, is made of steel. There are three rubies and two diamonds embedded into the medalion - one for each time he has been designated as Hamanu's Champion and/or Hero of Urik.
NOTE All of this comes from Abbey's novels, the most of which comes from her second book, Cinnabar Shadows.
NOTE All of this comes from Abbey's novels, the most of which comes from her second book, Cinnabar Shadows.
Does anybody else think of snack food when they see the word "Cinnabar"?
Does anybody else think of snack food when they see the word "Cinnabar"?
Now that you mention it... MMMMmmmm Cinnamon-y goodness:D
Alright, back on topic!
Dark Sun One:
Dark Sun One (Black & White):
Dark Sun Two (Black & White):
Dark Sun Paizo (Based on Dragon #319 Cover Art):
I may tinker with these a little bit more (esp. DSP) when I have time. I am moving on to another project at the moment. I hope others can get some use out of these.
How goes the work on your sorcerer-king medallions? I had an idea for their use; replace the generic City-State icon with them on an In-Character map.
Frellin' Sweet! If I may, I'd like to maybe use the fourth design as a background for a document I'm working on.
Have at it!
How goes the work on your sorcerer-king medallions? I had an idea for their use; replace the generic City-State icon with them on an In-Character map.
That project is on temporary hiatus as I work another task. I will be getting to them soon though. They will be part of my website I hope to launch in the near future.
I'm impressed, Dasch. Particularly with the lion....
Thanks Brax :D
Would you be interested in developing some examples of Eldaarish pictographs (word-symbols), like the kind that they brand onto fingertips?
Sure, send me what you have and I'll see what I can come up with. [email]Dasch@DSRising.net[/email]
Almost right...
...Medallions of baked ceramic are worn as well (some medallions are made instead of gold, steel, or bronze - Javed’s = steel). The face of these medallions have bas relief portraits of the Lion King in full stride. On the back, the individuals name is written and the rank shown, according to bureau. Medalions are hung on a chord of inix leater.
High templars (only 50) normally have gold-cast medallions, which are defaced by the claw of Hamanu (the claw mark signifies the advancement, however, so other medallion materials are possible, ie. Pavek's is ceramic).
Hamanu’s Champion - each time this title is received, the medallion of the recipient is embedded with a ruby.
Hero of Urik - the recipient of this title gets a diamond embedded into his medallion.
**Javed's medalion, as stated above, is made of steel. There are three rubies and two diamonds embedded into the medalion - one for each time he has been designated as Hamanu's Champion and/or Hero of Urik.
NOTE All of this comes from Abbey's novels, the most of which comes from her second book, Cinnabar Shadows.
Yep. Javed IIRC is no spellcaster, and probably not of the templar class. We've developed a number of these templars by position rather than by class NPCs in Eldaarich and Kurn.
Pavek's medallion is interesting, since before Hamanu clawed it (the symbolic act that promoted Pavek from the lower ranks to high templar), his mediallion actually indicated his low templar rank. So while there is a strict hierarchy in Urik, the "whim of the lion" cuts through all the bureaucracy.
I suspect it's purely ceremonial.
IIRC all of Urik's templar sigils have the mark of Hamanu. I suspect it's purely ceremonial.
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High templars (only 50) normally have gold-cast medallions, which are defaced by the claw of Hamanu (the claw mark signifies the advancement, however, so other medallion materials are possible, ie. Pavek's is ceramic).
Nope, only the high templars, and definately ceremonial - remember he could simply cut off their link telepathically.
....you are doing an excellent job with these
Thank you
....Is it all photoshop?
Yes it is! (And maybe a touch of Illustrator)
One thing I really like about them is the sun mosaic indicating the orientation of the maps. I think it's a nice touch and very original!
AZAZEL
... I really like... the sun mosaic...
Thank you Azazel! I wish I could say that I drew it but I did not. It is a heavily modified picture of a real sun mosaic that I took.
Welcome to the boards!
I believe it should have a Cilops on one side atleast:D
Welcome to the boards!
Thanks Dasch!!