The only things I can think of against it would be their alignment as listed in the CC (Neutral), while the Eladrin are traditionally CG. The neutrality does seem to fit their temperament more, but alignment in OD&D didn't necessarily mean the same thing as AD&D/D&D (mainly due to the general tendency to make Law=Good and Chaos=Evil), but otherwise they seem a good fit.
I had thought Traianus had already converted the Faedorne, but I don't turn them up in searches, so maybe he hasn't gotten to them yet. Any thoughts on that end?
The only things I can think of against it would be their alignment as listed in the CC (Neutral), while the Eladrin are traditionally CG. The neutrality does seem to fit their temperament more, but alignment in OD&D didn't necessarily mean the same thing as AD&D/D&D (mainly due to the general tendency to make Law=Good and Chaos=Evil), but otherwise they seem a good fit.
I agree with your assessment. They are indeed similar to Eladrin. Note that OD&D elves are generally not Chaotic (not even CG, by AD&D standards), so it may make sense that Faedorne are N or NG rather than CG.
GP
I had thought Traianus had already converted the Faedorne, but I don't turn them up in searches, so maybe he hasn't gotten to them yet. Any thoughts on that end?
It doesn't look like it, they are here though.
It doesn't look like it, they are here though.
Not forgetting their silver warriors of course
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Gazza555
For conversion purposes, I could easily see turning a CG 3.5 creature into a N Classic creature. This could also work the other way around.
The main reason why I like the idea though, is because it allows us to expand a little on the role of the Faedorne, who have seemed a little limited in use up to now...
Would the Protectors from B3 fit into this at all?
Havard
I had thought Traianus had already converted the Faedorne, but I don't turn them up in searches, so maybe he hasn't gotten to them yet. Any thoughts on that end?
Maybe you were confusing them with the faenare [I do
] which he has done.Regards
Gary
Maybe you were confusing them with the faenare [I do
That, and I think I'd seen the Creature Catalog conversions at one point. It all blends together!! ;)
Would the Protectors from B3 fit into this at all?
Hmm. Good idea, I'd almost forgotten about them (due to the B1-9 retcon). They could well be; I'll have to take a closer look at the original module, though.
I agree with your assessment. They are indeed similar to Eladrin. Note that OD&D elves are generally not Chaotic (not even CG, by AD&D standards), so it may make sense that Faedorne are N or NG rather than CG.
Something else that just occurred to me, of course, is that the Cosmology of Mystara is different, too- so whereas the Eladrin in AD&D/Great Wheel cosmology are all CG because they are Outsiders with ties to Arborea (I think that's right), Arborea may or may not exist in Mystara, and in any event, with infinite Outer Planes, it is unlikely the Eladrin would be tied to any single OP anyway.
So the Faedorne could work out pretty well as a type of Eladrin. Aren't the Shining Isles demiplanes? Or am I misremembering that?
Something else that just occurred to me, of course, is that the Cosmology of Mystara is different, too- so whereas the Eladrin in AD&D/Great Wheel cosmology are all CG because they are Outsiders with ties to Arborea (I think that's right), Arborea may or may not exist in Mystara, and in any event, with infinite Outer Planes, it is unlikely the Eladrin would be tied to any single OP anyway.
So the Faedorne could work out pretty well as a type of Eladrin. Aren't the Shining Isles demiplanes? Or am I misremembering that?
The Shining Isles are actual floating islands on the Prime Plane. They are said to be found high above elven lands. In the Revised Creature Catalogue, a Faedorne's favored environment is Aerial/Outer Planes so it seems likely that they are found on various planes as well though.
What would the implications be if we decide that they are Eladrin? Arent the Eladrin more or less Nature's version of Angels? IMC Nature is represented by Time and Matter. Time represents change which is a big part of what Nature is about IMO...
Havard
What would the implications be if we decide that they are Eladrin? Arent the Eladrin more or less Nature's version of Angels?
AD&D Eladrin are CG Celestials, but they are different from Aasimons, Asuras and Archons (i.e., angels). First, they're not immortals, just extremely long lived (like elves and Guardinals). They are born from other Eladrins and not created from souls.
Also, they're definitely fey in character and do not progress through a racial heirarchy -- e.g., a Firre stays a Firre for all his/her life, while Agathinons can be promoted to Deva in the Aasimon hierarchy.
Like fey, they're passional and instinctive.
Finally, they are more elemental than nature-oriented. You could say that Guardinals are nature-oriented versions of Angels, but not Eladrin.
Under alignments, it provides for the possibilities of making Eladrin Neutrals, so even back in 2E they apparently anticipated that not all Eladrin were cut from the same cloth.
Can't believe I'd forgotten I owned that! :p
Under alignments, it provides for the possibilities of making Eladrin Neutrals, so even back in 2E they apparently anticipated that not all Eladrin were cut from the same cloth.
Indeed. However, not all types can be of Neutral alignment. Specifically, Tulani and Shiere can only be CG. Noviere can even be LG, and Courre can be CN. This is in line with their other differences from Archons and Asuras -- Eladrin are less bound to their racial alignment than other celestials, probably because they are a true race rather than deriving from petitioners.
G.
The Shining Isles are actual floating islands on the Prime Plane. They are said to be found high above elven lands. In the Revised Creature Catalogue, a Faedorne's favored environment is Aerial/Outer Planes so it seems likely that they are found on various planes as well though.
Or so I thought. Just read the description of the Isles at The ENWorld CC. I'm not sure how much of that comes from Blade of Vengance and how much was made up by the one(s) doing the conversion? I kinda like it though
Havard