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#1
adskinner
Oct 30, 2007 11:50:08 Can any one give me some info on the Suel Empire and the Suel Arcanamach's. Also, any info like what types of magic they preferred, weapons they used, deities they worshipped, and favored classes etc... would be useful. Thanks a lot.
#2
thanael
Oct 31, 2007 3:51:19 Here's a thread on ENWorld titled help with Suel Empire. It gives some resources about the Suel in general.
#3
adskinner
Nov 01, 2007 13:40:07 Thanks. Wasn't there a Greyhawk novel about an elven vampire that was from the forgotten realms? I'm a noob, so it confuses me. I remember reading that he wanted to go to Evermeet. Does Evermeet exist is both worlds?
#4
thanael
Nov 02, 2007 3:38:57 You're probably remembering Vampire of the Mists a Ravenloft novel which feature Jander Sunstar an elven vampire from the forgotten realms who ends up in Ravenloft. A great book, but there's no connection to Greyhawk at all.

The nearest analog of Evermeet in Greyhawk - if there is one - would be the Lendor isles but they are a lot different and much less developped. There has been no real elven Retreat in Greyhawk yet, though the Elven Kingdoms of old are not existant anymore and the elven Kingdom of Celene getting more and more isolationist. Other elven realms in Greyhawk are the Duchy of Ulek and the High Forest.
#5
adskinner
Nov 02, 2007 15:16:22 Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass
Well, thanks.
#6
thegans
Nov 05, 2007 15:15:26
Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass
Well, thanks.

The Ravenloft campaign setting originally took place on a demi plane. However from what I can tell Wotc ignored that for the new version and just said 'put it somewhere where you can fit it.'

Greyhawk is or 'was' the default D&D setting. (Was might be the wrong term but it will be right in a few months since their replacing Greyhawk with Points of Light.)
#7
thanael
Nov 06, 2007 2:09:30
Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass
Well, thanks.

*raises eyebrow* Yeah. Right.
#8
Greyson
Nov 06, 2007 11:07:35
The Ravenloft campaign setting originally took place on a demi plane. However from what I can tell Wotc ignored that for the new version and just said 'put it somewhere where you can fit it.'

And, I am glad Wizards of the Coast ignored the whole demiplane of dread issue for Expedition to Castle Ravenloft. We have seamlessly played Barovia in northwestern Bissel for our Thursday night gaming group. The thorough use of Pelor ditches the notion of a demiplane of dread, too.

I think removing references of Barovia in the demiplane of dread and ignoring all references to the Lands of the Core was a great idea. It really allowed the adventure to be as adaptable as possible.
#9
admrvonbek
Dec 01, 2007 14:06:13 In my Campaign I have Barovia in the foothills south of Thornward. Since I think that whole area has an Eastern European flavor to it.
#10
thanael
Dec 02, 2007 8:05:18
And, I am glad Wizards of the Coast ignored the whole demiplane of dread issue for Expedition to Castle Ravenloft. We have seamlessly played Barovia in northwestern Bissel for our Thursday night gaming group. The thorough use of Pelor ditches the notion of a demiplane of dread, too.

I think removing references of Barovia in the demiplane of dread and ignoring all references to the Lands of the Core was a great idea. It really allowed the adventure to be as adaptable as possible.

It also pretty much shat on much of the 2E and 3E setting. If they call it Ravenloft they could have at least shown the decency to be true to the legacy it is invoking. Else they should have called it Castle Vampirica Generica.

It´s like if they would have made Expedition to Greyhawk Ruins but made Mordenkainen an elf, and the city have a large population of Warforged in it.
#11
extempus
Dec 03, 2007 1:10:47 Unfortunately, that is so typical of so many... they get the rights to something, thinking, "Wow, this is great stuff, we'll make a mint!"... then decide, "But we'll make it better..." It's stupid thinking like that in Hollyweird that has totally screwed up so many moneymakers that ended up bombing instead (like all those 60's and 70's TV shows they tried to make for the big screen), and I see that WOTC is no different...
#12
the_ubbergeek
Dec 03, 2007 18:19:17 WOTC is nice.

The Ravenloft module was created BEFORE the Raveloft setting, so it don't break a thing. If anything, it's just doing the whole circle, and back to what it was originaly - a simple gothic adventure. But a great one.

the setting grew from it, as an inspiration.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 adskinner Oct 30, 2007 11:50:08	Can any one give me some info on the Suel Empire and the Suel Arcanamach's. Also, any info like what types of magic they preferred, weapons they used, deities they worshipped, and favored classes etc... would be useful. Thanks a lot.
#2 thanael Oct 31, 2007 3:51:19	Here's a thread on ENWorld titled help with Suel Empire. It gives some resources about the Suel in general.
#3 adskinner Nov 01, 2007 13:40:07	Thanks. Wasn't there a Greyhawk novel about an elven vampire that was from the forgotten realms? I'm a noob, so it confuses me. I remember reading that he wanted to go to Evermeet. Does Evermeet exist is both worlds?
#4 thanael Nov 02, 2007 3:38:57	You're probably remembering Vampire of the Mists a Ravenloft novel which feature Jander Sunstar an elven vampire from the forgotten realms who ends up in Ravenloft. A great book, but there's no connection to Greyhawk at all. The nearest analog of Evermeet in Greyhawk - if there is one - would be the Lendor isles but they are a lot different and much less developped. There has been no real elven Retreat in Greyhawk yet, though the Elven Kingdoms of old are not existant anymore and the elven Kingdom of Celene getting more and more isolationist. Other elven realms in Greyhawk are the Duchy of Ulek and the High Forest.
#5 adskinner Nov 02, 2007 15:16:22	Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass Well, thanks.
#6 thegans Nov 05, 2007 15:15:26	Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass Well, thanks. The Ravenloft campaign setting originally took place on a demi plane. However from what I can tell Wotc ignored that for the new version and just said 'put it somewhere where you can fit it.' Greyhawk is or 'was' the default D&D setting. (Was might be the wrong term but it will be right in a few months since their replacing Greyhawk with Points of Light.)
#7 thanael Nov 06, 2007 2:09:30	Yup. Wow. Greyhawk, Ravenloft, what's the difference, anywys?:embarrass Well, thanks. raises eyebrow Yeah. Right.
#8 Greyson Nov 06, 2007 11:07:35	The Ravenloft campaign setting originally took place on a demi plane. However from what I can tell Wotc ignored that for the new version and just said 'put it somewhere where you can fit it.' And, I am glad Wizards of the Coast ignored the whole demiplane of dread issue for Expedition to Castle Ravenloft. We have seamlessly played Barovia in northwestern Bissel for our Thursday night gaming group. The thorough use of Pelor ditches the notion of a demiplane of dread, too. I think removing references of Barovia in the demiplane of dread and ignoring all references to the Lands of the Core was a great idea. It really allowed the adventure to be as adaptable as possible.
#9 admrvonbek Dec 01, 2007 14:06:13	In my Campaign I have Barovia in the foothills south of Thornward. Since I think that whole area has an Eastern European flavor to it.
#10 thanael Dec 02, 2007 8:05:18	And, I am glad Wizards of the Coast ignored the whole demiplane of dread issue for Expedition to Castle Ravenloft. We have seamlessly played Barovia in northwestern Bissel for our Thursday night gaming group. The thorough use of Pelor ditches the notion of a demiplane of dread, too. I think removing references of Barovia in the demiplane of dread and ignoring all references to the Lands of the Core was a great idea. It really allowed the adventure to be as adaptable as possible. It also pretty much shat on much of the 2E and 3E setting. If they call it Ravenloft they could have at least shown the decency to be true to the legacy it is invoking. Else they should have called it Castle Vampirica Generica. It´s like if they would have made Expedition to Greyhawk Ruins but made Mordenkainen an elf, and the city have a large population of Warforged in it.
#11 extempus Dec 03, 2007 1:10:47	Unfortunately, that is so typical of so many... they get the rights to something, thinking, "Wow, this is great stuff, we'll make a mint!"... then decide, "But we'll make it better..." It's stupid thinking like that in Hollyweird that has totally screwed up so many moneymakers that ended up bombing instead (like all those 60's and 70's TV shows they tried to make for the big screen), and I see that WOTC is no different...
#12 the_ubbergeek Dec 03, 2007 18:19:17	WOTC is nice. The Ravenloft module was created BEFORE the Raveloft setting, so it don't break a thing. If anything, it's just doing the whole circle, and back to what it was originaly - a simple gothic adventure. But a great one. the setting grew from it, as an inspiration.