I have to admit that I played Dragonlance under 1st and 2nd edition during this period and that although perhaps biased I truly dislike everything that has happened to it since especially possibly because of the demise of the Irda. However I have no idea as to what is considered canon any more and if this is even possible, any thoughts on this?
IMO the best thing would be to use the Age of Dragons alternate timeline from Legends of the Twins, but that's propably just wishful thinking.
That's my advice as well. Age of Dragons is the timeline that would have happened had Takhisis not stolen the world. It keeps classic Dragonlance in mind, while advancing the timeline. If you would rather play during the War of the Lance era, that option is open too.
Age of Dragons is totally official, so no worries about canon. You can ignore the primary timeline all you want.
IMO the best thing would be to use the Age of Dragons alternate timeline from Legends of the Twins, but that's propably just wishful thinking.
I have mixed feelings about this. I like the Age of Dragons overall (better than I like the Age of Mortals), but I would miss ambient magic and the minotaur invasion of Silvanesti.
I don't own the Legends of the Twins sourcebook so I don't know anything about Age of Dragons. I suppose that it'd remove the complications mystics and sorcerors create for conversion. I doubt that WotC willgo that route though.
If any change is done, please move forward, not backwards or sideways. Maybe you don't like some things that have happened, but hey, they have happened. Learn from the past and move on!
I'm very clear minded on this: I don't want to throw to the trash can half of my DL books.
Why would you ever do that? Even if you aren't playing in mainstream Krynn, you can still take elements of it and adapt it to whatever timeline you're using. I could see, for example, the Legion of Steel being adapted for the Age of Dragons timeline.
If any change is done, please move forward, not backwards or sideways. Maybe you don't like some things that have happened, but hey, they have happened. Learn from the past and move on!
In terms of official continuity, WotC has been pretty good about maintaining history, both good and bad. They had the chance with War of Souls to restore the timeline and say the Fifth Age didn't happen, but they didn't. I think that's a good thing, as it didn't invalidate a whole section of their product line.
As for our individual games, I'm all for playing in the era and timeline that interests us the most. It's our games, so we should do whatever we want with them.
Age of Mortals is full of some very interesting stuff, I would suggest going out and picking up a few of the new novels before you decide its time to time travel into the past. I recently read a three book series that describes what fate awaits the elves, Elven Exiles I believe its called. The Minotaurs finally living up to their destiny and invading Ansalon is great. Qualinesti is sunk and the land is overrun with Goblins and Humans. Draconians have their own city not to mention females. Who says all the Irda are dead? There could very well be another island of Irda floating around somewhere. I read something somewhere about the Ogres performing magical experiments on themselves where they might just be shifting back towards their Irda lineage. The Dwarven king was ousted from his kingdom and Thorbardin is in the worst shape its ever been in. Wile the Dwarves of Kayolin, and Thoradin thrive and work towards the future. Think the last thing I read about the Gnomes had something to do with them blowing the top off of Mt. Nevermind.
The continent of Ansalon is ripe for heroes, I think it would also be great if they told us what was going on with Taladas and the other continents as well. Krynn is a big exciting world filled with much history and potential for any adventuring party. Their is no need to ruin whats been done in the novels by erasing events in that history. I understand some of you want to relive the old days of 1st and 2nd edition and thats just fine, I loved Krynn back then too. I just think you need to see that this is still the world you loved and with great new adventurers its only going to get better.
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This is something that I couldn't have said better my self. Additionally, if the Dark Disciple trilogy is any indicator of where Dragonlance is going, it can only get better.
This is something that I couldn't have said better my self. Additionally, if the Dark Disciple trilogy is any indicator of where Dragonlance is going, it can only get better.
I have no idea what this indicator is in Dark Disciple. Is it a return to what was w/ Paladine & Takhisis (nee Mina)? Is it something totally different? Is it a 3rd Cataclysm? So many possibilities, I can't seem to grab a hold of just one!
I'm very clear minded on this: I don't want to throw to the trash can half of my DL books.
If any change is done, please move forward, not backwards or sideways. Maybe you don't like some things that have happened, but hey, they have happened. Learn from the past and move on!
I agree. With any other form of novels/stories/rpg material/comics (with the exception of anything related to Crisis on Infinite Earths), if something gets written and people aren't happy with it, you don't ignore it. You just move on and try to do better.
But hey, DL has retconned different aspects of the setting in the past so why stop now? ;)
What they need to do is stop producing gaming supplements after the Dark Disciple trilogy (but only temporarily).
Then write a new trilogy to kick things off for 4th Edition, and do gaming supplements based on said new trilogy with 4th Edition rules.
That's the formula that worked originally. So why fix it if it never got broke?
The Dwarf would be one of the exiled Hylar of Pax Tharkas who ventures out seeking a way to reclaim Thorbardin. The Minotuar being good seeks to rid Silvinesti of his own kin. Wile the Half Elf, (a half Silvinesti half human knight on her fathers side) seeks the honor of her order and to free her mothers country from the minotaur. The Kender as usual is out for fun though she bares a dark secret of somekind, perhaps a point in her past where the plucky Kender spirit failed her. The old Gnome has spent his life quest in search of the towers of high sorcery and claims he found one and wont rest till he finds them all.
Adventure, comdedy, tragedy this would be a great start to 4E.
Well, guys, it looks like you got your wish. Click here.
Thats either a bad joke or just some weird graphic novel, don't think it has anything to do with 4e D&D.
Thats either a bad joke or just some weird graphic novel, don't think it has anything to do with 4e D&D.
Actually, it has everything to do with 4e D&D. Typically, the Dragonlance game follows major edition changes.
One of the big changes will be the addition of dragonborn to Dragonlance. Click here for the full story.
Ok ok I got it figured out now, take a look at the date on the articles. Just some kind of April Fools day joke is all.
Hehe! Gotta love this time of year. :D
Thats either a bad joke or just some weird graphic novel, don't think it has anything to do with 4e D&D.
check the posting dates. April 1st.
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If indeed Dragonlance is released by Wizards as a true campaign settings then I think they should do a 'Batman Begins' on it as in forget anything happening after 382 Alt Cataclius.
I have to admit that I played Dragonlance under 1st and 2nd edition during this period and that although perhaps biased I truly dislike everything that has happened to it since especially possibly because of the demise of the Irda. However I have no idea as to what is considered canon any more and if this is even possible, any thoughts on this?
Yeah, personally I am completely against that. For better or worse I would rather see the main campaign stuff be at the same point in time in the legitimate storyline than and alternate one. This ain't a movie, we don't need a reboot. Its not like Warne Bros. got the story all messed up here (Like Batman). Weather you like it or not those Dragonlance books were released as the definitive versions of the story, not licensed to others to make and screw up.
There are plenty of things I don't like but I wouldn't want to see something like this done. Because then we run into the same old BS that happens in the comic book world all the time, it will open the door for the destruction of continuity (Yes I realize there are holes all over the place but this could make it that much worse) (Google Spiderman Mary Jane). Messing with one thing messes with everything else as well.
Keep it with the main timeline and release a series of 'Alternate Existance Storylines' for those who want something a bit different in my opinion.
As for our individual games, I'm all for playing in the era and timeline that interests us the most. It's our games, so we should do whatever we want with them.
Well said.
Release a sourcebook for each age and let the market decide.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I admit I like the thought. I'm effectively fossilized in DL. I love the War of the Lance and find earlier ages interesting, but the War of Souls pretty much ruined the setting for me. Whatever they do in 4E, be it a "world reset" that brings it closer to classic DL, or a total new direction based on the Dark Disciple books, I just want the books (a) to give me the material to support the age of my choice and (b) give me a good enough summary what is going on in other ages to play them without having to read all the novels first (Sorry, I just don't like Nina and the idea of wading through yet more books with her as a main character is more than enough reason for me to drop Krynn into an alternate timeline or just ignore entire ages.)
As much as I really loved the old Dragonlance before Takky stole the world I actually don't think I would bother with it with 4th ed as it's so far away from the whole points of light stuff in unexplored lands they showed in the absolutely beautiful preview books.
I can't decide if I should run a Age of Dragons game or a Dragonlands Legend campaign. Both would present a PoL setting that would be keep the feel of old school Kyrnn and allow my PC's to be bigger heroes since we're going off the novels road.
But at the same time, I'm sorely tempted to update the 2001 Chainmail Minis game setting Sundered Empire to incorperate the new mythos and PC races from the Wizards Presents preview books to make a new setting.
I normally play Eberron, but I think I'll wait until '09s release of the CS before I hit the Five Nations again.
- Josh