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My Just-Plain Pavek version

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#1
ishan_wh
Mar 13, 2008 9:57:54 Hello everybody, ever since I started working on the NPC conversion I have found tons of Urikite material, and I know I have been asking a lot to the Head Templars (Jon and Penn) if there is gonna be City State of Urik accessory. Anyway here is my contribution...

Anyway where was I... oh yeah... heres my idea of the best non evil Templar

* The lv10 Templar is due to the fact that Pavek cast Flame Strike at the end of his novel "the Brazen Gambit", but I do tell that these facts are not subject to the game rules. Well any suggestion on the Templar lv10 issue or should just go with it?

This Pavek is how I think he ended at the end of the first Lynn Abbey novel

Just-Plain Pavek
Male Human, Templar lv10*/ Druid lv1
True Neutral

Str 15, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 14, Cha 10

Feats:
Improved Unarmed Strike, Combat Casting, Disciplined, Skill Focus: Spellcraft
- Martial Weapon Proficiency: Short Sword,
#2
Zardnaar
Mar 13, 2008 13:24:18 I would probably create a PrC for him similar to the Ultimate Magus in the Complete mage but make it a Divine version. The Ultimate Magus allows dual progression in both Sorcerer and Wizard classes for spellcasting.

Ok technically its dual progression in 2 arcane classes. I also allowed Flamestrike as a 4th level Templar Spell so they can acces it at lvl 8. Druids can get it at lvl 4 and its not exactly a broken spell and is barely useable anyway.
#3
ishan_wh
Mar 13, 2008 15:56:36
I would probably create a PrC for him similar to the Ultimate Magus in the Complete mage but make it a Divine version. The Ultimate Magus allows dual progression in both Sorcerer and Wizard classes for spellcasting.

Ok technically its dual progression in 2 arcane classes. I also allowed Flamestrike as a 4th level Templar Spell so they can acces it at lvl 8. Druids can get it at lvl 4 and its not exactly a broken spell and is barely useable anyway.

Hey thanks for the reply...

- Kind of like the Hierophant PrC from the DM guide right?

- So what do you think of the stats for Pavek and feats?

- I was thinking on something like that a PrC Druid of Urik or something, which like you thought combines the Templar and the Druid core classes
#4
Zardnaar
Mar 13, 2008 22:49:20
Hey thanks for the reply...

- Kind of like the Hierophant PrC from the DM guide right?

- So what do you think of the stats for Pavek and feats?

- I was thinking on something like that a PrC Druid of Urik or something, which like you thought combines the Templar and the Druid core classes

As written your Pavek can't cast Templar spells as his charisma is only 10. His strength and dex could be lower with higher wisdom (16-18?). You could also houserule Templars use wisdom to cast their spels a'la 2nd ed as Athas.org's version uses charisma as a primary spellcasting stat. His feats seem fine and do the job.
#5
ishan_wh
Mar 13, 2008 23:09:44
As written your Pavek can't cast Templar spells as his charisma is only 10. His strength and dex could be lower with higher wisdom (16-18?). You could also houserule Templars use wisdom to cast their spels a'la 2nd ed as Athas.org's version uses charisma as a primary spellcasting stat. His feats seem fine and do the job.

Sure, but in the novel Pavek is depicted like he could be a gladiator but not a great one hehe, and the 10 in charisma reflects his scars and lack of imposing presence, but he can cast spells with charisma 10, if he had charisma 9 then he couldn´t cast his templar spells.
#6
Zardnaar
Mar 14, 2008 1:16:31
Sure, but in the novel Pavek is depicted like he could be a gladiator but not a great one hehe, and the 10 in charisma reflects his scars and lack of imposing presence, but he can cast spells with charisma 10, if he had charisma 9 then he couldn´t cast his templar spells.

He couldn't cast Flamestrike with 10 charisma though. I agree his charisma should be low as he wasn't overly likeable either in addition to being an ugly SOB. Not to sure why Athas.org went with charisma as a primary stat as most Templars are hated and in 2nd spellcasting was tied to wisdom. To cast flamestrike he would need a minimum of 15 Charisma or 14 if you make it a 4th level spell.
#7
the_peacebringer
Mar 20, 2008 13:04:53
He couldn't cast Flamestrike with 10 charisma though. I agree his charisma should be low as he wasn't overly likeable either in addition to being an ugly SOB. Not to sure why Athas.org went with charisma as a primary stat as most Templars are hated and in 2nd spellcasting was tied to wisdom. To cast flamestrike he would need a minimum of 15 Charisma or 14 if you make it a 4th level spell.

Yeah well, you do need wisdom if you're going to survive an SK's court.:D
#8
woobyluv
Mar 21, 2008 12:19:55 Ya Urik is one of my favorite places to adventure, and I was hoping there would be at the least a credible map with location key of the place by now, but you have to really scour the interwebz to find one.

Thus far we have seen in print in one fashion or another sources on:

Tyr
Gulg
Nibenay
Draj (from athas.org)
Balic (coming soon from athas.org)
Guistinal (not really a core city-state but important enough)

All that really remains of the original areas are:
Raam (I've seen some stuff on this place but nothing significant enough to base a campaign off of)
Urik

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 ishan_wh Mar 13, 2008 9:57:54	Hello everybody, ever since I started working on the NPC conversion I have found tons of Urikite material, and I know I have been asking a lot to the Head Templars (Jon and Penn) if there is gonna be City State of Urik accessory. Anyway here is my contribution... Anyway where was I... oh yeah... heres my idea of the best non evil Templar * The lv10 Templar is due to the fact that Pavek cast Flame Strike at the end of his novel "the Brazen Gambit", but I do tell that these facts are not subject to the game rules. Well any suggestion on the Templar lv10 issue or should just go with it? This Pavek is how I think he ended at the end of the first Lynn Abbey novel Just-Plain Pavek Male Human, Templar lv10*/ Druid lv1 True Neutral Str 15, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 14, Cha 10 Feats: Improved Unarmed Strike, Combat Casting, Disciplined, Skill Focus: Spellcraft - Martial Weapon Proficiency: Short Sword,
#2 Zardnaar Mar 13, 2008 13:24:18	I would probably create a PrC for him similar to the Ultimate Magus in the Complete mage but make it a Divine version. The Ultimate Magus allows dual progression in both Sorcerer and Wizard classes for spellcasting. Ok technically its dual progression in 2 arcane classes. I also allowed Flamestrike as a 4th level Templar Spell so they can acces it at lvl 8. Druids can get it at lvl 4 and its not exactly a broken spell and is barely useable anyway.
#3 ishan_wh Mar 13, 2008 15:56:36	I would probably create a PrC for him similar to the Ultimate Magus in the Complete mage but make it a Divine version. The Ultimate Magus allows dual progression in both Sorcerer and Wizard classes for spellcasting. Ok technically its dual progression in 2 arcane classes. I also allowed Flamestrike as a 4th level Templar Spell so they can acces it at lvl 8. Druids can get it at lvl 4 and its not exactly a broken spell and is barely useable anyway. Hey thanks for the reply... - Kind of like the Hierophant PrC from the DM guide right? - So what do you think of the stats for Pavek and feats? - I was thinking on something like that a PrC Druid of Urik or something, which like you thought combines the Templar and the Druid core classes
#4 Zardnaar Mar 13, 2008 22:49:20	Hey thanks for the reply... - Kind of like the Hierophant PrC from the DM guide right? - So what do you think of the stats for Pavek and feats? - I was thinking on something like that a PrC Druid of Urik or something, which like you thought combines the Templar and the Druid core classes As written your Pavek can't cast Templar spells as his charisma is only 10. His strength and dex could be lower with higher wisdom (16-18?). You could also houserule Templars use wisdom to cast their spels a'la 2nd ed as Athas.org's version uses charisma as a primary spellcasting stat. His feats seem fine and do the job.
#5 ishan_wh Mar 13, 2008 23:09:44	As written your Pavek can't cast Templar spells as his charisma is only 10. His strength and dex could be lower with higher wisdom (16-18?). You could also houserule Templars use wisdom to cast their spels a'la 2nd ed as Athas.org's version uses charisma as a primary spellcasting stat. His feats seem fine and do the job. Sure, but in the novel Pavek is depicted like he could be a gladiator but not a great one hehe, and the 10 in charisma reflects his scars and lack of imposing presence, but he can cast spells with charisma 10, if he had charisma 9 then he couldn´t cast his templar spells.
#6 Zardnaar Mar 14, 2008 1:16:31	Sure, but in the novel Pavek is depicted like he could be a gladiator but not a great one hehe, and the 10 in charisma reflects his scars and lack of imposing presence, but he can cast spells with charisma 10, if he had charisma 9 then he couldn´t cast his templar spells. He couldn't cast Flamestrike with 10 charisma though. I agree his charisma should be low as he wasn't overly likeable either in addition to being an ugly SOB. Not to sure why Athas.org went with charisma as a primary stat as most Templars are hated and in 2nd spellcasting was tied to wisdom. To cast flamestrike he would need a minimum of 15 Charisma or 14 if you make it a 4th level spell.
#7 the_peacebringer Mar 20, 2008 13:04:53	He couldn't cast Flamestrike with 10 charisma though. I agree his charisma should be low as he wasn't overly likeable either in addition to being an ugly SOB. Not to sure why Athas.org went with charisma as a primary stat as most Templars are hated and in 2nd spellcasting was tied to wisdom. To cast flamestrike he would need a minimum of 15 Charisma or 14 if you make it a 4th level spell. Yeah well, you do need wisdom if you're going to survive an SK's court.:D
#8 woobyluv Mar 21, 2008 12:19:55	Ya Urik is one of my favorite places to adventure, and I was hoping there would be at the least a credible map with location key of the place by now, but you have to really scour the interwebz to find one. Thus far we have seen in print in one fashion or another sources on: Tyr Gulg Nibenay Draj (from athas.org) Balic (coming soon from athas.org) Guistinal (not really a core city-state but important enough) All that really remains of the original areas are: Raam (I've seen some stuff on this place but nothing significant enough to base a campaign off of) Urik