Good to see it there. I think that, city of Brass, and the Githyanki
cities will be part of core 4E.
ROB
I am impartial to the wheel cosmology, but sigil is close to my heart.
;)
Good or bad, that's one's view.
Yet for all their talk of "fixing" the fluff to defend 4.0 coming out too soon, devils and demons are more confusing than ever. The long suffering, beautifully tragic celestials are replaced with bland faceless angels and stupid looking elementals with helmets.
Sad to see all that history thrown away, not to mention the pathetic shoehorning of the Exalted cosmology into FR and gutting all its long developing plotlines.
Aasimar reminds of ass
Let's be honest here, more than half of the mentions of Aasimar on these forums were spelled Assimar.
Ditto for Genasi being Gensai.
Sad to see all that history thrown away,
I don't have high hopes of 4e (given its apparent design philosophy and style thus far) giving a flavorful, deep look at the planes in the way you, I, and many others have always enjoyed them. What we have now is a rather shallow pastiche of what we had before, mixed with some other influences (devils speaking "supernal" seems a bit overt) that when combined don't spark my interest in the way that they're described and presented.
I appreciate Michelle Carter (as awesome as she is) managing to get Sigil referenced in 4e, but I fear if it's ever formally presented that it'll be a pale shadow of itself, given the radical changes to many baseline assumptions in the cosmology.
So I can only urge you to go take a look at the cosmology for Pathfinder once the setting book comes out in August (and not just because I wrote that section... hehe)
-Rhetorical question: What good is a Sigil where all of the "scenery" around it is nearly unrecognizable?
No good, no good at all. Come join us in Union, instead. We just got a Starbucks!
-Rhetorical question: What good is a Sigil where all of the "scenery" around it is nearly unrecognizable?
Well, for me at least, Sigil is much, much more than than the sum of the "scenery". The atmosphere, "cant" speak, Lady of Pain, and uncountable number of portals all contribute to the "feel" of the city.
And besides, although the Great Wheel is gone from core, it's a simple enough matter to place all of the old planes in the Astral Sea as dominions or whatnot.
No good, no good at all. Come join us in Union, instead. We just got a Starbucks!
-All the more reason NOT to go.
-The City of Brass...Now, THAT'S a city. What do they have there? Chai tea, I guess?
-Rhetorical question: What good is a Sigil where all of the "scenery" around it is nearly unrecognizable?
See... Now, maybe it's not the best example, but the thing that made me love Planescape the most was actually the computer game Planescape: Torment. And, when I played that game, I got a good feel for the setting, and you know what, I didn't and hell I still don't know a damn thing about the cosmology. Does that make me dislike the setting? No. Does it make it any less interesting? No.
Perhaps the scenery about Sigil is the city itself, or it is constantly changing. After, all it's called the city of doors, so why couldn't the sky be a door in and of itself?
I really see Sigil as still being the City of Doors, but now it is both nowhere and everywhere at the same time. How about this: The sky, and the city itself is constantly changing. No arbitrary day or night cycles. Now, that I can get behind. To say that the setting will suck without seeing it, well, that's just silly talk.. I mean, I've always taught that prejudging something is bad. Shouldn't we try to get rid of prejudice, because those that cling to it just come off as being really ignorant to me.