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#1
HobbitFan
Sep 26, 2008 22:35:11 Did Mystara ever get any AD&D treatmetn or was it always d&d? All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D.

I have some of the Gazeteers. Was there a big Mystara worldbook or box set?
#2
CmdrCorsiken
Sep 26, 2008 22:42:46
Did Mystara ever get any AD&D treatmetn or was it always d&d? All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D.

I have some of the Gazeteers. Was there a big Mystara worldbook or box set?

There was never an all-encompassing setting book or set. Despite the fact that most Known World/Mystara fans wanted one. Instead, they started an AD&D product line with a couple boxed sets based on two of Mystara's nations, Karameikos and Glantri. While I don't own either, I undertand that they were essential a rehash of the Gazetteers for those two nations, with some addtional information gleaned from other sources. There was almost nothing new in them. Thus, most existing Mystara players didn't buy them because they were perceived to be a waste of money; and few AD&D players without knowledge of Mystara weren't interested in another world that was going to be presented to them one piece at a time.

Some of the other Mystara guys here I'm sure could supply some more details, but that is at least a start.
#3
eric_anondson
Sep 26, 2008 23:03:00 The Red Steel/Savage Coast campaign products were entirely 2nd Edition. In fact it is on par with Al Qadim for demonstrating excellent use of kits.
#4
agathokles
Sep 27, 2008 3:37:45 There are few products for AD&D Mystara:
Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure
Glantri: Kingdom of Magic
Mystara MCA
Night of the Vampire
Hail the Heroes
Mark of Amber
Poor Wizard's Almanac III
Joshuan's Almanac

So, two gazetteer remakes, three adventures, two almanacs and the monstrous compendium.

Plus, there's the Red Steel/Savage Coast series (the last three only published online):
Red Steel
Savage Baronies
Savage Coast Campaign Book
Savage Coast MCA
Orc's Head

Hope it helps,
GP
#5
eric_anondson
Sep 27, 2008 23:14:09 I was just coming back to this and reread this and did a double take. I'm trying to reconcile these two sentences.
All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D.

I have some of the Gazeteers.

Exactly what do you own if you own of "all the known world stuff" if you don't consider the Gazetteers part of the Known World?

Just curious.
#6
rhialto
Sep 28, 2008 1:00:19 Personally, I'd have considered "all of the Gazeteers" as the single most core set of products to own if you want to claim to have all the Known World stuff, closely followed by Dawn of the Emperors.
#7
HobbitFan
Sep 28, 2008 1:55:47 What I typed before wasn't clear.....I meant I only own a few not all the gazeteers.

I just have Five Shires and the grand Duchy. My brother owns rockhome.
#8
CmdrCorsiken
Sep 28, 2008 11:43:54
Personally, I'd have considered "all of the Gazeteers" as the single most core set of products to own if you want to claim to have all the Known World stuff, closely followed by Dawn of the Emperors.

Doesn't Dawn of the Emperors carry the Gazeteer logo? I've always considered it part of the set.

Regardless how Dawn of the Emperors is categorized, I would also count these as the 'core' products for Mystaran information. The best thing about them is the limited amount of mechanical information in them. Some have more than others, but overall, the Gazeteers are about 80% setting details, usable in any game, any many have separate Player's and DMs books. This makes it a simple matter of giving the player the Player's book so they can read up on their chosen nation.
#9
hausman
Sep 28, 2008 20:22:12 personaly, the most recomended book to see Mystara in AD&D stats (counttry, kingdons,characters,information and geography) is the Poor wizard´s almanac III...the previously editions are in Old D&D ...but inside this editions i will have most of all mystara information updated in AD&D (however,inside it ´s severall references to old D&D modules and old mystara´s book)
:P
#10
havard
Sep 29, 2008 10:24:59
Doesn't Dawn of the Emperors carry the Gazeteer logo? I've always considered it part of the set.

I agree. The Dawn of the Emperors boxed set is part of the Gaz series (though it doesn't have a gaz number attached to it.)

Hobbitfan:
BTW, all of the Gazetteers(?) have AD&D conversion rules included, so they should be very useful even if you play AD&D (1st or 2nd Ed). The Rules Cyclopedia also has some useful AD&D conversions in it.

Havard
#11
havard
Sep 29, 2008 10:25:36 Rhialto: Love your Avatar! :D

Havard
#12
HobbitFan
Oct 12, 2008 21:03:54 I've been thinking about trying to start a new D&D campaign to try out 4E but I really hate the train wreck that is the 4E realms so I've been going through my box of old d&d and AD&d stuff. Hence my recent posts here.

I'm really tempted to try and do some of the old modules I have and run them in Mystara.
#13
havard
Oct 13, 2008 0:48:58
I've been thinking about trying to start a new D&D campaign to try out 4E but I really hate the train wreck that is the 4E realms so I've been going through my box of old d&d and AD&d stuff. Hence my recent posts here.

I'm really tempted to try and do some of the old modules I have and run them in Mystara.

Sounds great man! Mystara is an awesome setting and works very well with any edition of (A)D&D.

Havard
#14
CmdrCorsiken
Oct 13, 2008 22:29:51 Indeed. It's hard to get more 'iconic' than old modules like "Keep on the Borderlands" or "Isle of Dread."

Converting them to any edition shouldn't be that hard. Just populate them with the same creatures from your chosen ruleset. Some of those modules did introduce new creatures, so you might have to replace those with some equivalents. Then, just make sure the new versions of your creatures are correctly balanced for the intended level of challenge, adjusting the numbers accordingly.
#15
havard
Oct 15, 2008 16:39:42 By the way, which modules did you have in mind?

Havard

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 HobbitFan Sep 26, 2008 22:35:11	Did Mystara ever get any AD&D treatmetn or was it always d&d? All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D. I have some of the Gazeteers. Was there a big Mystara worldbook or box set?
#2 CmdrCorsiken Sep 26, 2008 22:42:46	Did Mystara ever get any AD&D treatmetn or was it always d&d? All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D. I have some of the Gazeteers. Was there a big Mystara worldbook or box set? There was never an all-encompassing setting book or set. Despite the fact that most Known World/Mystara fans wanted one. Instead, they started an AD&D product line with a couple boxed sets based on two of Mystara's nations, Karameikos and Glantri. While I don't own either, I undertand that they were essential a rehash of the Gazetteers for those two nations, with some addtional information gleaned from other sources. There was almost nothing new in them. Thus, most existing Mystara players didn't buy them because they were perceived to be a waste of money; and few AD&D players without knowledge of Mystara weren't interested in another world that was going to be presented to them one piece at a time. Some of the other Mystara guys here I'm sure could supply some more details, but that is at least a start.
#3 eric_anondson Sep 26, 2008 23:03:00	The Red Steel/Savage Coast campaign products were entirely 2nd Edition. In fact it is on par with Al Qadim for demonstrating excellent use of kits.
#4 agathokles Sep 27, 2008 3:37:45	There are few products for AD&D Mystara: Karameikos: Kingdom of Adventure Glantri: Kingdom of Magic Mystara MCA Night of the Vampire Hail the Heroes Mark of Amber Poor Wizard's Almanac III Joshuan's Almanac So, two gazetteer remakes, three adventures, two almanacs and the monstrous compendium. Plus, there's the Red Steel/Savage Coast series (the last three only published online): Red Steel Savage Baronies Savage Coast Campaign Book Savage Coast MCA Orc's Head Hope it helps, GP
#5 eric_anondson Sep 27, 2008 23:14:09	I was just coming back to this and reread this and did a double take. I'm trying to reconcile these two sentences. All the known world stuff I have, which isn't reallt that much, is all D&D. I have some of the Gazeteers. Exactly what do you own if you own of "all the known world stuff" if you don't consider the Gazetteers part of the Known World? Just curious.
#6 rhialto Sep 28, 2008 1:00:19	Personally, I'd have considered "all of the Gazeteers" as the single most core set of products to own if you want to claim to have all the Known World stuff, closely followed by Dawn of the Emperors.
#7 HobbitFan Sep 28, 2008 1:55:47	What I typed before wasn't clear.....I meant I only own a few not all the gazeteers. I just have Five Shires and the grand Duchy. My brother owns rockhome.
#8 CmdrCorsiken Sep 28, 2008 11:43:54	Personally, I'd have considered "all of the Gazeteers" as the single most core set of products to own if you want to claim to have all the Known World stuff, closely followed by Dawn of the Emperors. Doesn't Dawn of the Emperors carry the Gazeteer logo? I've always considered it part of the set. Regardless how Dawn of the Emperors is categorized, I would also count these as the 'core' products for Mystaran information. The best thing about them is the limited amount of mechanical information in them. Some have more than others, but overall, the Gazeteers are about 80% setting details, usable in any game, any many have separate Player's and DMs books. This makes it a simple matter of giving the player the Player's book so they can read up on their chosen nation.
#9 hausman Sep 28, 2008 20:22:12	personaly, the most recomended book to see Mystara in AD&D stats (counttry, kingdons,characters,information and geography) is the Poor wizard´s almanac III...the previously editions are in Old D&D ...but inside this editions i will have most of all mystara information updated in AD&D (however,inside it ´s severall references to old D&D modules and old mystara´s book) :P
#10 havard Sep 29, 2008 10:24:59	Doesn't Dawn of the Emperors carry the Gazeteer logo? I've always considered it part of the set. I agree. The Dawn of the Emperors boxed set is part of the Gaz series (though it doesn't have a gaz number attached to it.) Hobbitfan: BTW, all of the Gazetteers(?) have AD&D conversion rules included, so they should be very useful even if you play AD&D (1st or 2nd Ed). The Rules Cyclopedia also has some useful AD&D conversions in it. Havard
#11 havard Sep 29, 2008 10:25:36	Rhialto: Love your Avatar! :D Havard
#12 HobbitFan Oct 12, 2008 21:03:54	I've been thinking about trying to start a new D&D campaign to try out 4E but I really hate the train wreck that is the 4E realms so I've been going through my box of old d&d and AD&d stuff. Hence my recent posts here. I'm really tempted to try and do some of the old modules I have and run them in Mystara.
#13 havard Oct 13, 2008 0:48:58	I've been thinking about trying to start a new D&D campaign to try out 4E but I really hate the train wreck that is the 4E realms so I've been going through my box of old d&d and AD&d stuff. Hence my recent posts here. I'm really tempted to try and do some of the old modules I have and run them in Mystara. Sounds great man! Mystara is an awesome setting and works very well with any edition of (A)D&D. Havard
#14 CmdrCorsiken Oct 13, 2008 22:29:51	Indeed. It's hard to get more 'iconic' than old modules like "Keep on the Borderlands" or "Isle of Dread." Converting them to any edition shouldn't be that hard. Just populate them with the same creatures from your chosen ruleset. Some of those modules did introduce new creatures, so you might have to replace those with some equivalents. Then, just make sure the new versions of your creatures are correctly balanced for the intended level of challenge, adjusting the numbers accordingly.
#15 havard Oct 15, 2008 16:39:42	By the way, which modules did you have in mind? Havard