As well, there was a new type of masterwork weapon which involved a dragon's bones forged into the weapon which would give you not only a +1 masterwork attack bonus, but also give you 1 point of energy damage (fire, cold, sonic etc) based on the type of dragon it was crafted from. (+300 gp to base price of weapon). This is probably due to 3.5's revision of varying types of masterwork weapons based on different materials (silver, adamantium, mithril etc).
Seems like it could be a valuable resource for Dragonlance players.
I'm uncertain if the new one will be a more generic material focusing on dragons similar to a ... damn the title escaped me ... Dragon Mountain? It was a 2e D&D boxed supplement turned hardcover book.
Originally posted by Ranger REG
I'm uncertain if the new one will be a more generic material focusing on dragons similar to a ... damn the title escaped me ... Dragon Mountain? It was a 2e D&D boxed supplement turned hardcover book.
Council of Wyrms is the product you're thinking of, which was its own self-contained setting. That's the setting which really influenced the inclusion in 3rd edition D&D of the half-dragon. It wasn't generic, although it did have some interesting rules for balancing dragon PCs with standard ones.
I think any resource on dragons is going to prove very useful for a Dragonlance campaign. I would hesitate on including a lot of half-dragons, dragon disciples, and similar characters, just because Dragonlance doesn't quite support this historically as the Realms or Greyhawk do, but that ultimately shouldn't stop you.
Cheers,
Cam
Such as half-dragons. There are no half-dragons native to Krynn. It's actually one of the few species mixes that just does not happen. That's part of the tragedy of a dragon and mortal falling in love...that's why Gwyneth was offered the choice to become human or to stay a dragon...the tragic love between Huma and Gwyneth, Gilthanas and D'argent, and between Linsha and Crucible.
For the most part, Dragonlance dragons are the dragons found in the Monster Manual, so I'm sure that there will be some good things in the Draconomicon that'll prove useful! I know that we will be getting a copy of it for our reference library! ;)
Christopher
PS - Okay, so maybe one or two more posts before I leave :D
Originally posted by Stormprince
that's why Gwyneth was offered the choice to become human or to stay a dragon...the tragic love between Huma and Gwyneth, Gilthanas and D'argent, and between Linsha and Crucible.
I'm assuming this is a slight spoiler for the book coming in August?
Of course the ground work for that was already lain (pardon the pun) in Clandestine Circle.
Originally posted by Stormprince
Until we do a product on the Dragons of Krynn, the Draconomicon would probably be a pretty good sourcebook for dragons, although there will be some things in there that would probably not be appropriate for "core" Dragonlance...
Such as half-dragons. There are no half-dragons native to Krynn. It's actually one of the few species mixes that just does not happen. That's part of the tragedy of a dragon and mortal falling in love...that's why Gwyneth was offered the choice to become human or to stay a dragon...the tragic love between Huma and Gwyneth, Gilthanas and D'argent, and between Linsha and Crucible.
Half-dragons are one of those issues where I'm divided on. Beyond what Chris says above, you've already got not one, but two races of dragonfolk - draconians (the original half-dragons!) and dragonspawn. The role of half-dragons is already filled in DL.
If I were to use a half-dragon in a DL campaign, he would be one of those one-in-a-million characters. I would have him be the only one ever known, plus add in a certain amount of tragedy.
I used to think that DL, being a world based on dragons, should have as many draconic things as possible in it. At the same time, one has to look out for world flavor and continuity. That's the tricky part.
Chris - Have fun at Origins, guy!
Originally posted by Stormprince
Such as half-dragons. There are no half-dragons native to Krynn. It's actually one of the few species mixes that just does not happen. That's part of the tragedy of a dragon and mortal falling in love...that's why Gwyneth was offered the choice to become human or to stay a dragon...the tragic love between Huma and Gwyneth, Gilthanas and D'argent, and between Linsha and Crucible.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Half-dragons are one of those issues where I'm divided on. Beyond what Chris says above, you've already got not one, but two races of dragonfolk - draconians (the original half-dragons!) and dragonspawn. The role of half-dragons is already filled in DL.
If that is the case, I'd simply convert dragonspawn into half-dragons. After all, the exploding upon death makes them imitation draconians and the ability to remove their "spawness" with the mystic equivelant of a turn undead check makes them a much less challenging encounter.
I'm afraid I'm dissapointed with the loss of half-dragons because I'm afraid I think that half-dragons would fit perfectly on Krynn given that the dragons are just returning after centuries of exile. It seems thus a perfect time to introduce the half-dragon template creature.
It also seems to me to be more likely to have half-dragons on Krynn given how frequently dragons and humans form such strong emotional bonds (extremely rare in other settings). It is still a tragedy for Huma and Gwenneth even if they can have children. I mean, I don't even remember either Huma and Gweneth or Gilthanas and Silvara even talking about children as an element in their tragedy. For Huma and Gwenneth is the fact that they'd lose their life together fighting against evil. For Gilthanas and Silvara, it was about Gilthanas not being able to deal with Silvara's true identity.
So yeah, that is something I'm definately going to home-tweak, though I'm not so heartbroken about it that I'm going to write it up in my web stuff or introduce them in the future. You have to compromise with the old fellers after all. To tell you the truth, now that I've got all the classes from the PHB available and every race can use every class... I'd be completely content as long as the dragon overlord desolations are shrunk. That's really the only thing I need to get completely on board with the new setting. If the dragon overlord desolations are not shrunk... then I have to consider whether I'm willing to spend all that time redesigning half (or all) of the setting.
Made for an interesting scenario and really surprised the players.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Are there any plans to do a source book on the dragons of Krynn?
Any plans yet for something like this?
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/176680000
It has some nice stuff in it, and I just love the dragon lair types. Gonna have fun with the Copper dragon one.
Such a book could include setting-specific info on dragons, plus expanded materials on draconians, spawn, and various other draconic creatures. New prestige classes, such as the dragon mage or dragon mystic, could be created.
Such a book is definitely on my wish list. If you guys are interested in such a book, be sure to let Sovereign Press know!
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Such a book is definitely on my wish list. If you guys are interested in such a book, be sure to let Sovereign Press know!
Other than posting on these boards and those at dragonlance.com, how do we do that?
Originally posted by SweetMeats
Other than posting on these boards and those at dragonlance.com, how do we do that?
You can e-mail them through links at their site: SovPress.Com
Though Linsha is attracted to Hogan Bight...but she doesn't know that he's the dragon Crucible...yet.
Originally posted by QuentinGeorge
Clandestine Circle and the Linsha Trilogy will give you the information needed.
Though Linsha is attracted to Hogan Bight...but she doesn't know that he's the dragon Crucible...yet.
! Hogan Bight IS Crucible? Holy crap
Originally posted by vejono
! Hogan Bight IS Crucible? Holy crap
You're kidding right? It's only more obvious than the fact that Clark Kent is Superman (and I still can't believe that Linsha hasn't figured it out yet). So sad. :D
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
How would you handle the Platinum Knight? Would they be clerics of Paladine and/ Knights of Solamnia?
Well, I don't have the Draconomicon, but I have the Book of Exaulted Deeds, and they have the Vassals of Bahamut. They are similar classes, to my knowledge, and in Dragonlance, I call them Vassals of the Platinum Dragon. They are an organization of knights, but a loose one; there are many members among the Legion of Steel, Holy Orders of the Stars, and Knights of Solamnia.
Book of Exaulted Deeds
Alright, no. E-X-A-L-T-E-D. There is no U. There is also no H for those people who for some reason want to spell it EXAUHLTED. I don't care how the word Exalted is spelled in England or Australia or whereever; the book has it printed Exalted.
I've been holding it back since this book was first discussed around here. Crimeny, if you have the book, can't you read off the cover?
This is not directed at anyone in particular. It's a general blanket "What the crap?".
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On topic, the Vassal of Paladine is a very awesome prestige class, and I actually had 2 PCs in my last Dragonlance group take levels in it.
Plus, way cooler in my eyes than Knights of Solamnia any day.
-TRRW
(edit: had to add on-topic stuff)
Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard
Alright, no. E-X-A-L-T-E-D. There is no U. There is also no H for those people who for some reason want to spell it EXAUHLTED. I don't care how the word Exalted is spelled in England or Australia or whereever; the book has it printed Exalted.
Those of us non-Americans who know how it's spelled also spell it "exalted".
Don't get me started on the problems that gamers in general - American or otherwise - have with spelling!
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Don't get me started on the problems that gamers in general - American or otherwise - have with spelling!
All I have to say is...
I R teh uber l33t...
Sometimes I want to smack gamers....
Originally posted by Jacen Solo 5007
Well, I don't have the Draconomicon, but I have the Book of Exaulted Deeds, and they have the Vassals of Bahamut. They are similar classes, to my knowledge, and in Dragonlance, I call them Vassals of the Platinum Dragon. They are an organization of knights, but a loose one; there are many members among the Legion of Steel, Holy Orders of the Stars, and Knights of Solamnia.
Hmm. that sounds interesting. What age are you playing in? How do they interact with other members of their order.
Sorry about my spelling, dude. I was typing fast, and when I type fast, I mispell things. I do htis all hte time, and I don't even know why. I also have a problem witht his or wit htis. But I am very particular with my spelling, usually, and I apologize; and anyway, I usually just put BoED, so It's not like I type the whole thing out a lot.
And, for the question on Age, I play in the Age of Mortals, although I have the Vassals going back to the Age of Dreams, a little before the Knights of Solamnia. During the Age of Mortals, Kiri-Jolith supplies their spellcasting in honor of his father, although they still follow Paladine's old teachings. During the early Age of Mortals, they used Mysticism, but still followed Paladine's teaching. And interaction? Well, it's a loose organization; there are no ranks per say, although higher leveled Vassals have authority over lower leveled Vassals. They also hold a little influence over Paladine's priests(of which many are) and the Knights of Solamnia(which many also are).
as a side note i know have my ranger seriously thinking of the dragonstalker class and the minotaur fighter thinking of the dragonslayer class, the basic story line behind the group (which they thought up themselves) is that they are going to rid the world of the remaining dragonlords. this basically came about after they saved a small hamlet from a band of dragonspawn. they sat down afterwards and had a good talk about the way ansalon is going to the dogs with these dragonlords changing the landscape to suit there needs and thought if we can become powerful enough to destroy these evil overlords then hopefully the land will revert back to normal.
i was stunned, i gave them all 500exp for just thinking of that, and have given them that wish, they are now hunting normal dragons in the hope that they can become powerful enough to take them on.
well needless to say that the draconicom has become a very powerful book for me, and has become a close ally of the PC's. our human fighter is considering trying to become a dragonrider, but at this moment he has the wrong fighter type for it, he is at this point a swashbuckler (which would work for a dragonrider) but was originally planning on becoming a duelist.
but i love the book. in particular the dragon weapons and the magical items that the dragons can use themselves (i feel that the green dragons tend to use them more then the other chromatic dragons)