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#1 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2003 14:44:51	If I read the Sovereign Press interview correctly, 5th Age sorcerers will be the 3E sorcerers we know now, and mystics will be something like the Shugenja from OA? And that if I want the feel of 5th Age sorcery and mysticism I'll have to pick up the Age of Mortals companion and use the Academy Sorcerer and Citadel Mystic prestige classes? Bummer.
#2 brimstone Jun 26, 2003 15:57:01	"Bummer" is a kinder, gentler word I than what I used...but yeah...essentially that's true.
#3 Dragonhelm Jun 26, 2003 16:43:44	Originally posted by The Spellcasting Sorcerer If I read the Sovereign Press interview correctly, 5th Age sorcerers will be the 3E sorcerers we know now, and mystics will be something like the Shugenja from OA? And that if I want the feel of 5th Age sorcery and mysticism I'll have to pick up the Age of Mortals companion and use the Academy Sorcerer and Citadel Mystic prestige classes? Bummer. I believe that Jamie and Chris have said that the mystic will be to the cleric what the sorcerer is to the wizard. That would be a better analogy than the shugenja (although I used the shugenja as a model for my Wild Sorcerer and Mystic classes on the Nexus). You don't have to take the Academy Sorcerer and Citadel Mystic prestige classes to replicate the feel of 5a spellcasters. Think of it in terms of spell paths. What is pyromancy? Fire-based spells. What is animism? Animal and plant-based spells. Add in some metamagic feats to help replicate spellshaping, and you've got it. When you take one rules system and convert it to another, something always gets lost in the translation. Sometimes, though, there is much that can be gained. I think you will find that to be the case here.
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2003 21:50:36	Originally posted by Dragonhelm I believe that Jamie and Chris have said that the mystic will be to the cleric what the sorcerer is to the wizard. Does that mean that the mystic and the cleric will be kinda at odds with one another? Cuz from what I get, sorcerers and wizards don't get along well.
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2003 23:09:29	I would think this would only be a factor if conflicting alignment is also one as well. Sorcerers vs. Wizards: Generally a rivalry thing in 3E, with Sorcerers representing inner talent and Wizards representign Academia. I don't see why a good Mystic and a good Cleric would have to be at odds, unless said good Cleric represented an aggressive good deity and was a either an evangelist or crusader type.
#6 jonesy Jun 26, 2003 23:22:49	Originally posted by AcheronHades Does that mean that the mystic and the cleric will be kinda at odds with one another? Cuz from what I get, sorcerers and wizards don't get along well. Goldmoon having been the most respected cleric and mystic on Ansalon, I don't see a problem.
#7 Dragonhelm Jun 27, 2003 9:46:09	Originally posted by AcheronHades Does that mean that the mystic and the cleric will be kinda at odds with one another? Cuz from what I get, sorcerers and wizards don't get along well. I think it depends on the circumstance. At the Citadel of Light, I could see some mystics becoming clerics, and others staying as mystics. I think Mishakal would approve of them working together. At the same time, there will be those who will not be tolerant, especially religious zealots. I'm sure there will be evil clerics will seeking to destroy mystics who don't convert, and others manipulating those same mystics. Don't think that being a religious zealot ends with clerics, though. There will be some mystics who claim that clerics worship false gods, or those who will speak out against the gods for leaving their children not once, but twice. It's going to be interesting seeing where all the dominos fall on this one. I'm looking forward to it.
#8 talinthas Jun 28, 2003 6:40:30	well, with the preview from game trade magazinehere , the mystic is basically a fusion of cleric (bab, hit dice, skills) and sorceror (spells known/spells per day). Add in a domain of your choice, and we have what looks to be a pretty balanced class, especially when you consider that Clerics and Mystics dont generally exist simultaniously. And if they do? Well, my friend, we call that setting tension, and plot hooks =)
#9 ferratus Jun 28, 2003 12:21:34	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Don't think that being a religious zealot ends with clerics, though. There will be some mystics who claim that clerics worship false gods, or those who will speak out against the gods for leaving their children not once, but twice. Like the Seekers! :D As for the prestige classes, its' the only way to do 5th Age magic canonically, if you ask me. Frankly, Emma Xela has already proven that the barriers between the schools of sorcerery (pyromancy, geomancy etc.) were false constructions that the academy sorcerers had made for themselves. (See Heroes of Sorcery, the 5A boxed set). So what you have then is the "Academy Sorcerer" prestige class, a legacy of that "shaping magic through effect-based system". It doesn't mean though that every institution or instructor followed the Academy in teaching and learning the new magic. Besides, it allows people to come to the table playing a sorcerer, who might not know the ins and outs of the campaign setting, without having to learn a whole new base class.