Hoopaks? and other Campaign setting Questions

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#1

the_livewire_02

Jul 04, 2003 12:47:00
Am I just blind, I can't find the 3.5 stats for hoopaks in the new book *sob*

That and Sivak fighters are very scary now, can they get use straffing breath?

And thanks for the arial combat system, if my players thought their resident nemesis was bad before...
#2

Dragonhelm

Jul 04, 2003 13:40:33
Originally posted by The Livewire
Am I just blind, I can't find the 3.5 stats for hoopaks in the new book *sob*

'Fraid not. I don't think any of the racial weapons made it in, unfortunately.

I'm sure you'll see the hoopak soon enough. If any weapon beyond the fabled dragonlance represents Dragonlance, it is the hoopak.

Chris can fill you in a bit better than I can on the details.

In the meantime, this forum's own Eidolon has submitted his fan stats for hoopak to the Nexus. Check it out by clicking here.
#3

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jul 04, 2003 13:44:51
Yes, I think I heard somewhere that the hoopak is missing from the DLCS.

Oh well... you can use this for now:

The hoopak is probably the most well known of the kender weapons. It is a 3 foot staff made of hard yet supple wood, that is forked at one end and has a metal tip at the other. The metal tip can be sharpened and the hoopak can be thrown like a spear. The hoopak can also be stuck into the ground so that missiles can be fired from the forked end like a sling shot. It may also be twirled over the head like a sling to launch sling bullets or stones or it may be used as a traditional sling staff. Occasionally this type of weapon may be hollowed out to hold useful objects, like silk rope or stones for ammunition. As a tool the hoopak can be used to help a kender gather fruit from the lower branches of trees, like an apple picker. As a musical instrument the hoopak can be swung in a circle and it emits a low bullroar.

Hoopak 7 Stp
Damage: 1d6+1/1d4
Critical: X2/---
Range: 20 ft./50 ft.
Weight: 9 lb.
Type: P/B/
Size: Medium
Music: Bullroar

Click here for more weapon stats
#4

zombiegleemax

Jul 04, 2003 13:45:23
No hoopack?!?! That's suprising. Was there a rush put on coimpletion that this had to be left out? I'll either use the stats you mentioned or make my own from my DL adventures book.
#5

zombiegleemax

Jul 04, 2003 13:46:27
Unfortunately, the hoopaks and many other important pieces of equipment didn't make the cut *sniffles* 'least not in the DLCS. And, we didn't catch it in time to include them in the Age of Mortals Companion either :embarrass

That said, we're looking at including them in the first product possible! I believe that currently we're going to insert them into the Dungeon Master's Screen along with a few other racial weapons. If they don't make it into the Screen, then I'll make sure that they at least end up in the Bestiary...or maybe I'll see about making them into an article for Games Unplugged magazine until we can insert them else where!

Sorry about the oversight ;.;

But glad you're liking everything else! Don & Jamie worked pretty hard to come up with an excellent Aerial Combat system. Just wish my own personal favorite bit of hard work, the Gnome Invention Creation rules, had also made it in ;.;

Christopher
#6

cam_banks

Jul 04, 2003 21:53:26
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo

Hoopak 7 Stp
Damage: 1d6+1/1d4
Critical: X2/---
Range: 20 ft./50 ft.
Weight: 9 lb.
Type: P/B
Size: Medium
Music: Bullroar

Since no weapons in D&D3E have a "plus" for damage (they're all simply a die or multiple dice), I'd suggest making the damage 1d6/1d4, Kipper. Also, you're going to need 2 sizes for this - Small and Medium size hoopaks (not that many tall people will be using them - but still).

So assuming that most hoopaks up until now have been Small, and they've done 1d6/1d4, a Medium hoopak would deal 1d8/1d6. I doubt many are made, however. Kender would have Weapon Familiarity with the hoopak, which means that even though it's an Exotic Weapon to everyone else, it's only a Martial weapon for kender (you could argue that it's Simple, since it's a staff with a sling on it, but that might be underestimating the skill needed to use it. Hmm.)

Chapaks, whippiks, etc can also be handled this way. Not so good for non-kender, but popular choices if you happen to be one.

Cheers,
Cam
#7

the_livewire_02

Jul 04, 2003 22:04:48
Hmm *sniff sniff* Web enhancement?

And yes, I am enjoying it, immencely

(and not just for the nyah, nyah, I got one and Margaret and Jamie signed it, factor.)

Now to look at my 2e gem draconians and update them...

#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 04, 2003 22:09:33
Originally posted by The Livewire
Hmm *sniff sniff* Web enhancement?

And yes, I am enjoying it, immencely

(and not just for the nyah, nyah, I got one and Margaret and Jamie signed it, factor.)

Now to look at my 2e gem draconians and update them...


*sniffles* But I didn't get to sign it ;.;

;)

Christopher
#9

the_livewire_02

Jul 04, 2003 22:38:00
Were you there? I'm sorry. My goal is to get it signed by everyone who gave us crunchy Krynn goodness...

(Now all I need is for Taladas to be caught up over the past 30 years and I'll be happy)
#10

zombiegleemax

Jul 04, 2003 22:44:19
Originally posted by The Livewire
Were you there? I'm sorry. My goal is to get it signed by everyone who gave us crunchy Krynn goodness...

(Now all I need is for Taladas to be caught up over the past 30 years and I'll be happy)

I was there, but between running games & sitting on various panels, I was away quite often

Christopher
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 04, 2003 23:10:42
No Hoopaks! That sucks! Oh well, until the guys at Sovreign Press can find some product to place it's (as well as other things they may have missed) this may tide you over. James O'Rance's weapon stats from his site at www.dragonlance.com/taladas/nexus/equipment.html which I personally perfer, but that's just my opinion.
#12

brimstone

Jul 07, 2003 9:07:45
Originally posted by Stormprince
Just wish my own personal favorite bit of hard work, the Gnome Invention Creation rules, had also made it in

You're kidding!?! They cut that?

No wonder it went from a 320 page book to a 288 page.

Why did WotC puss out at the end with everything?

Edit: Okay...not everything...just some of the coolest stuff.
#13

zombiegleemax

Jul 07, 2003 9:12:33
Originally posted by Brimstone
You're kidding!?! They cut that?

No wonder it went from a 320 page book to a 288 page.

Why did WotC puss out at the end with everything?

It was cut, but they are not lost... expect to see them in one of our products Not sure which one, yet, but probably in a race sourcebook

Christopher
#14

brimstone

Jul 07, 2003 9:24:23
Originally posted by Stormprince
It was cut, but they are not lost... expect to see them in one of our products Not sure which one, yet, but probably in a race sourcebook

Suh-weet!:D

See...look at me...the prospect of new Dragonlance material with about 10 (give or take) signatures in about 4 weeks...and I drop about 10 years in maturity. LOL!
#15

zombiegleemax

Jul 07, 2003 11:50:51
*holds a hoopak to your head* we better see them invention rules soon, or its lights out for you, BOOM!!
#16

dragontooth

Jul 07, 2003 12:43:23
Originally posted by Cam Banks
So assuming that most hoopaks up until now have been Small, and they've done 1d6/1d4, a Medium hoopak would deal 1d8/1d6.
Cheers,
Cam

A Medium hoopak would still deal 1d6/1d4 dmg.


Now of course I'm not using the weapon & armor book to make this logical choice. What I'm going by is the Players Handbook. The quarterstaff, and the club are both 1d6 weapons, and a sling is still a sling. Thats why it should still be 1d6/1d4 even for a medium size hoopak.

On side note.

Great to see the DLCS is finally making the market. Hopefully by Aug. I'll be able to afford to buy it when its mass release.
#17

lenin97

Jul 08, 2003 8:09:35
I'll have to second Paladin's Wrath, on his suggestion of the Nexus.

They seem to always have the most effective and realistic translations of any DL material you might need. Plus their version of the hoopak rocks!
#18

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 13:40:09
Anyone else think that the Kencyclopedia should be released as an official game product? Then the hoopaks and so on don't need to be stuffed in some random book somewhere. Basically, I see there'll be two types of DL DM; the ones with kender, and the ones without. The ones without have no need for hoopak rules, and the ones with, should probably get the Kencyclopedia anyway.

Are we going to be seeing race specific sourcebooks for DL, or maybe one big book with stuff for all the core races, perhaps?

Finally, are there links to the places such as the Nexus or this board somewhere in the DLCS?
#19

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jul 08, 2003 13:45:50
I second the notion of publishing the Kencylopedia! :P
#20

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 13:47:08
So do I!

Ummm...
#21

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 13:55:02
Originally posted by pddisc
Basically, I see there'll be two types of DL DM; the ones with kender, and the ones without.

Krynn without Kender?!?! That is wrong on so many levels.
#22

lenin97

Jul 08, 2003 13:57:07
Originally posted by themeecer
Krynn without Kender?!?! That is wrong on so many levels.

Or it's every other races dream
#23

Dragonhelm

Jul 08, 2003 14:00:25
Originally posted by pddisc
Anyone else think that the Kencyclopedia should be released as an official game product? Then the hoopaks and so on don't need to be stuffed in some random book somewhere. Basically, I see there'll be two types of DL DM; the ones with kender, and the ones without. The ones without have no need for hoopak rules, and the ones with, should probably get the Kencyclopedia anyway.

Are we going to be seeing race specific sourcebooks for DL, or maybe one big book with stuff for all the core races, perhaps?

It is my hope that we'll see a sourcebook on races in DL, akin to Races of Faerun. I think a kender-only sourcebook would be a bit too specific, and wouldn't sell as well as a general book on races.

If this does happen, then I'm hoping we'll see Kipper writing the kender section. His work on the Kencyclopedia Kender Handbook was astounding.

Finally, are there links to the places such as the Nexus or this board somewhere in the DLCS?

I don't think the DLCS will mention anything, but the Sovereign Press books should mention Dragonlance.com.
#24

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 14:00:28
It's more to do with the fact that some DMs can't handle having a kender in the party, who wants to 'role-play' them particularly well. The Kencyclopedia, again, suggests several ways to combat this, the the retrospective pick pocket thing just drives me insane.

And I'm running a campaign with three kender in it.

*Shudders*

Not again.
#25

zombiegleemax

Jul 08, 2003 14:07:50
Three kender?!?!?! That is wrong on so many levels as well. I could just hear the discussions they would get into.
#26

zombiegleemax

Jul 10, 2003 15:51:35
Originally posted by pddisc
And I'm running a campaign with three kender in it.

*Shudders*

Not again.

LOL! :D

Good luck with that. ;)
#27

Dragonhelm

Jul 10, 2003 16:10:55
Originally posted by pddisc
It's more to do with the fact that some DMs can't handle having a kender in the party, who wants to 'role-play' them particularly well. The Kencyclopedia, again, suggests several ways to combat this, the the retrospective pick pocket thing just drives me insane.

And I'm running a campaign with three kender in it.

*Shudders*

Not again.

I think New Tales: The Land Reborn had an all-kender adventure in it, which is a lot of fun.

Personally, I think the Kencyclopedia will be invaluable with such a game. Sean really has a knack for opening up the possibilities with kender. I want to play one of his kender knights, personally.

Good luck with the game!
#28

ferratus

Jul 11, 2003 3:01:04
I'm not so displeased about the loss of the hoopak for the time being. Without readily available stats, perhaps players would consider playing a kender without one, which would be a good way of combating the "Tas clone" syndrome.

The Kencyclopedia would probably be the only race sourcebook that would sell very well I'm guessing. Tasselhoff is after all, the most popular character after Raistlin. Why people keep overlooking the strong, dependable and heroic Caramon as a role-model is beyond me. ;)

As well, what makes Sivaks fighters so scary these days? I'm most curious about that! I love Sivaks almost as much as I love the golden skinned Aurak. Damn Auraks are cool.
#29

zombiegleemax

Jul 11, 2003 5:00:53
Wow...

Real live SS people actually post here.

Nifty.

GRRRRRR... Addall says no one has the book yet

In addition, a topic that was touched upon... why was the 320 page book flayed down to a mere 288 pages. I have issues of PC Gamer with more than 288 pages (even counting out the ads).

-Robert