1. What classes/prestige classes are in there? I've heard mention of a 5th age-specific sorceror and mystic (PrCs) and blurbs of Tinkers and (please, let it be true!) Mariners. Anythijng you can share?
Thanks!
There is one new race - the half-kender.
As for new classes, yes the Mariner is in there. For prestige classes, I believe Jamie mentioned an Academy Sorcerer and a Citadel Mystic.
As for what else is in there...you'll just have to wait until August!
By the way, I have to say that Age of Mortals has a lot of cool stuff in it that will appeal to more than just "5th age fans". There's some cool stuff that fans of any time period in Dragonlance will love.
This book is a must, in my not-so-humble opinion. ;)
Originally posted by AmerginLiath
As an Ergoth/Saifhum junkie,. I can't wait for the Mariner! :D
Same here, save for minotaurs.
One other interesting mariner possibility is a gnome mariner. Granted, why the ship flies is beyond me...
And dwarf mariners. Flint would love that.
.Originally posted by Paladin's Wrath
I read on a different thread that there were only fourteen new classes, 2 base and 12 prestige, and the Academy Sorceror was not mentioned, nor was the Mariner. Now I'm confused
Chris was comparing the DLCS to the FRCS, IIRC. The DLCS has two new classes (mystic and noble), and several PrCs.
Both Acadamy Sorcerer and Mariner are in the Age of Mortals book.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Chris was comparing the DLCS to the FRCS, IIRC. The DLCS has two new classes (mystic and noble), and several PrCs.
Both Acadamy Sorcerer and Mariner are in the Age of Mortals book.
Oh. Okay, thanks for clearing that up.
Originally posted by talinthas
gen con. its a simultanious release with the DLCS.
They are going to have to start having those in the south. It seems I keep missing out on getting my hands on the good stuff. Heck I'd be happy to even have a gaming store in the same town as I. Maybe I should move to Finland so I can get all my books early, like I head what happened with the 3.5 books.
Originally posted by themeecer
They are going to have to start having those in the south. It seems I keep missing out on getting my hands on the good stuff. Heck I'd be happy to even have a gaming store in the same town as I. Maybe I should move to Finland so I can get all my books early, like I head what happened with the 3.5 books.
The convention I know of in the south is DragonCon, which I believe is in Atlanta. I think Sov. Press goes there, especially since that's the area that Jamie hails from.
Originally posted by AmerginLiath
As an Ergoth/Saifhum junkie,. I can't wait for the Mariner! :D
I'm an Ergoth junkie myself, but I'm afraid I can't understand why a mariner is needed. A rogue with the skill points to burn would probably be equally at home on a ship, since balance and use rope are class skills for him, and a few fighter levels would help boost up the combat ability.
All that's left is to give you some abilities for actually piloting and crewing a ship.. but that isn't much good if you are playing in adventures off the water. Wouldn't this be better served as a prestige class rather than a core class?
DragonCon ....
Well, for now I'm at JSU (in Jacksonville alabama), and I'm thinking of going this year... but those hotel rates are a killer... just to attend, and not even buy anything, it's several hundred dollars...
However - next year, I believe I just might transfer to GSU in Atlanta :D Talk about easy access, just hop the marta from dorm to DragonCon. Hey... they have Amtrak there... does Amtrak go to GenCon
-Robert
Originally posted by ferratus
I'm an Ergoth junkie myself, but I'm afraid I can't understand why a mariner is needed. A rogue with the skill points to burn would probably be equally at home on a ship, since balance and use rope are class skills for him, and a few fighter levels would help boost up the combat ability.
All that's left is to give you some abilities for actually piloting and crewing a ship.. but that isn't much good if you are playing in adventures off the water. Wouldn't this be better served as a prestige class rather than a core class?
Actually, you'd be surprised at how capable a mariner is. The mariner, in particular, makes a good base class as an alternate to the bard, receving abilities such as Sailor Lore (ears in every port, sea stories, etc.), Dirty Blow (a sneak-attack like ability that you can use once in a fight against a specific foe), and other abilities.
Effectively, they are non-spellcasting bards...they have good attack, best Fort & Ref saves. They represent an alternative to those who don't like bards, or don't want to use spellcasting bards (for one reason or another), etc. And since at least two major cultures, the minotaurs & the Ergothians, are sea-based cultures, we decided to introduce a base class for DMs & players to use that's a bit better than the Expert.
Christopher
Base Class: Mariner
PrCs:
* Academy Sorcerer
* Citadel Mystic
* Legion Mystic
* Legion Scout
* Legion Sorcerer
* Master Ambassador
* Nomad Shaman
* Rogue Knight
* Solamnic Auxiliary Mage
* Spellfilch
* War Mage
13 new feats, 2 new mystic domains, about 30 new spells, THE definitive timeline for the Fifth Age from any published product (man, even I cannot compete with Granak's timeline for sheer amount of detail, though... I'm limited by page count!), a slew of detailed locations, maps, specifics on what the gods are up to, Leeching magic and the effect of the loss of magic during the War of Souls, a LOT of Fifth Age iconic characters from the novels, new monsters, and some absolutely GORGEOUS artwork ;)
Christopher
Originally posted by Stormprince
Effectively, they are non-spellcasting bards...they have good attack, best Fort & Ref saves. They represent an alternative to those who don't like bards, or don't want to use spellcasting bards (for one reason or another), etc. And since at least two major cultures, the minotaurs & the Ergothians, are sea-based cultures, we decided to introduce a base class for DMs & players to use that's a bit better than the Expert.
The noble is the other side of the non-spellcasting bard equation, having all the influence and support talents. I imagine a noble/mariner multiclass would be a scary option for those who want a really charismatic aristocratic swashbuckler.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Halabis
Chris, I love you! Will you have my baby? ;)
*LAUGHS!* Well, dunno if you're my type ;)
Christopher
Im 5'6"
I like long walks on the beach, Minotaurs, Finely tinkered devices, Female Draconians, and the occasional Ergothian, just to spice things up. My turn offs include; hooved feet, Int penalties, anything going to comitee, and bad hygine.
pls thnx I R luv u! =P
Originally posted by Halabis
Well, this should help.
Im 5'6"
I like long walks on the beach, Minotaurs, Finely tinkered devices, Female Draconians, and the occasional Ergothian, just to spice things up. My turn offs include; hooved feet, Int penalties, anything going to comitee, and bad hygine.
pls thnx I R luv u! =P
*LAUGHS!!!*
Well, I must say, that's the first time anyone's ever asked me to bear their children
Christopher
Originally posted by Stormprince
*LAUGHS!!!*
Well, I must say, that's the first time anyone's ever asked me to bear their children
Christopher
I would have, but Mrs. Dragonhelm would NOT approve. ;)
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
I would have, but Mrs. Dragonhelm would NOT approve. ;)
*snickers muchly* Aye, I'm sure she would NOT ;)
Christopher
I'm also very impressed with the prestige classes for the Age of Mortals sourcebook especially the rogue knights and the solamnic auxillary Mage? Does that mean Solamnics and WoHS have made nice, or are they still sorcerers? ;) Or do sorcerers and WoHS get along in the ranks of the Solamnic Auxillary forces? Hmm...
When they say Single room for $, Double for $$, Triple for $$$ does that mean that if I get a triple room each of us pays $$$ each or all together we pay a total $$$?
-Robert
Originally posted by ferratus
I'm also very impressed with the prestige classes for the Age of Mortals sourcebook especially the rogue knights and the solamnic auxillary Mage? Does that mean Solamnics and WoHS have made nice, or are they still sorcerers? ;) Or do sorcerers and WoHS get along in the ranks of the Solamnic Auxillary forces? Hmm...
Excellent question.
I would think that the Solamnic Auxiliary Mages (SAM for short) would have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Knights of Solamnia. As such, they would have to behave under the guidelines of the Oath and the Measure.
I could see sorcerers joining this group, as they're great in battle, and have no ties to other organizations. At the same time, wizards are more formally trained, and are less chaotic than sorcerers tend to be.
If both are allowed to join, then I would think the Knighthood would make it perfectly clear that they must work together. If the WoHS have a problem with that...you've got a great adventure seed. ;)
Anyway, I shan't say more than that. You'll just have to wait until Age of Mortals to see. I will say, however, that I'm quite proud of this prestige class.
Originally posted by Stormprince
13 new feats, 2 new mystic domains, about 30 new spells, THE definitive timeline for the Fifth Age from any published product (man, even I cannot compete with Granak's timeline for sheer amount of detail, though... I'm limited by page count!)
Christopher [/b]
Thanks for the comment. But i bow to your timeline. Once I get the DLCS, I've got a lot of timeline updating to do.
Granak Red-Silver
Sivak
Originally posted by Granakrs
Thanks for the comment. But i bow to your timeline. Once I get the DLCS, I've got a lot of timeline updating to do.
Granak Red-Silver
Sivak
Well, while working on the timeline, I had the DLA, the Time of the Dragon, the Fifth Age boxed set, and a printed out version of your timeline, which formed the basis for what I figured I needed to include ;)
Christopher
DLA, and SAGA are essentially the same...in that the original race are the Gnomes (although SAGA takes it one step further to match Taladas and calls them the Smiths...which become the Gnomoi and Minoi).
In TotL and DKoK, the Smiths were the first Dwarves. And that the Dwarves were transformed into Gnomes by the Greygem, and the Elves were transformed into Kender.
And let's not even BEGIN to try and figure out how the Irda's idea of creation fits into everything. heh heh
I think this will all encompassingly be the best Timeline (Granak's aside...you just can't beat that one) in a published product. From what I understand...this was going to include all the information from all the different timelines...with DLA being the foundation and decision maker on descrepincies.
Originally posted by talinthas
the irda creation myth was the worst one. I havent got the slightest idea what tracy and margaret were doing when they came up with that. It seriously jacked continuity.
I really never had a major problem with that creation myth, because it was so extremely biased to the Ogre/Irda point of view.
:D
Originally posted by talinthas
the irda creation myth was the worst one. I havent got the slightest idea what tracy and margaret were doing when they came up with that. It seriously jacked continuity.
Every culture has a different creation myth. Look at Earth's various creation myths. Some are drastically different than others. (Personally, my fave is the creation myth of the Japanese islands...but I'm twisted that way ;)). Creation myths are >NOT< continuity...they are >MYTHS<... and be careful of throwing around "jacking up continuity" remarks... there are many to blame for that ;) *snickers* Even us, since we had to do some tweaks of our own! O.o;
Christopher
Originally posted by SweetMeats
What are the creation myths of the Japanese islands then?
Actually, I'll hafta let you hunt 'em down... it has a bit of an.... undertone to it. ;) Let's just say that it involves... *shushes up 'fore he gets banned from the boards* c.c;
Look up the story of Izanagi and Izanami
Christopher
Originally posted by Stormprince
Actually, I'll hafta let you hunt 'em down... it has a bit of an.... undertone to it. ;) Let's just say that it involves... *shushes up 'fore he gets banned from the boards* c.c;
Look up the story of Izanagi and Izanami
Christopher
Strangely enough, that's also the Arkansas creation myth. ;)
Seriously, though, if anyone is interested, you can learn more by clicking here.
I also found some info on the Encyclopedia Brittanica site.
Disclaimer: Nobody from Arkansas was hurt in writing this post, although several people from Arkansas beat Dragonhelm to a pulp. Do not attempt to sue Dragonhelm. Dragonhelm's lawyers can buy and sell you...
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Strangely enough, that's also the Arkansas creation myth. ;)
Seriously, though, if anyone is interested, you can learn more by clicking here.
I also found some info on the Encyclopedia Brittanica site.
Disclaimer: Nobody from Arkansas was hurt in writing this post, although several people from Arkansas beat Dragonhelm to a pulp. Do not attempt to sue Dragonhelm. Dragonhelm's lawyers can buy and sell you...
Ahhh, that's a tame version of the myth ;)
In one of my college classes, we discussed the symbolism of the myth, and it didn't take many of us very long at all to figure it out ;)
Christopher
He wiped his nose and created Susanowo, god of tempests.
LOL, I'd hate to be THAT god. and.. uhmm... How were you born again? "Achhooo!" I'd hate to think what storms are thought of there... ;)
As long as you don't get into the japanese stories of where food came from (i always knew tofu was crap ^_^ ) then i think we'll be ok =)
But yeah, as a Hindu and a student of religious studies, i've seen my fair share of whack creation myths. I'm also keenly aware of the many varied myths of DL, and if the irda tale had been presented as another of those then i'd have been ok.
What irked me then, and bugs me now, is that it was presented as The Truth. And then, even at the council of gods in DoSF, they all call each other brother and sister and act as if the irda had the right of it, which flew in the face of the established baseline.
See, thats the key. What is myth and what is campaign canon? The high god whittling sticks is myth. Branchala stealing seeds from chislev and water from zeboim is myth. Krynn as a cog in the machine is myth. But Paladine calling Takhisis his sister and Chaos his father, in a meeting of the gods in the present time? Is that still myth?
I loved summer flame. But that irda thing bothers me to no end.
Hell, even the DL appendix can be made into propaganda, but what is the baseline? It's my hope that you folks choose to come to a common ground, and one slightly better thought out than the irda.
gah. they deserved to be obliterated, after that =)
edit- just to prove how much of dweeb i am, i asked margaret why sirrion wasnt in the council, and she didnt even know who he was. ah well =) At this point, creation myths don't matter anyway, since i'm more concerned with the future of DL than the past =)
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Strangely enough, that's also the Arkansas creation myth. ;)
Strangely enough I find myself agreeing with you. ;P
Originally posted by Stormprince
Race: Half-Kender
Base Class: Mariner
PrCs:
* Academy Sorcerer
* Citadel Mystic
* Legion Mystic
* Legion Scout
* Legion Sorcerer
* Master Ambassador
* Nomad Shaman
* Rogue Knight
* Solamnic Auxiliary Mage
* Spellfilch
* War Mage
13 new feats, 2 new mystic domains, about 30 new spells, THE definitive timeline for the Fifth Age from any published product (man, even I cannot compete with Granak's timeline for sheer amount of detail, though... I'm limited by page count!), a slew of detailed locations, maps, specifics on what the gods are up to, Leeching magic and the effect of the loss of magic during the War of Souls, a LOT of Fifth Age iconic characters from the novels, new monsters, and some absolutely GORGEOUS artwork ;)
Christopher
Spellfilch? I hope that the War Mage isn't just the War Wizard of Cormyr from the FRCS.
Originally posted by Mucknuggle
Spellfilch? I hope that the War Mage isn't just the War Wizard of Cormyr from the FRCS.
I get the impression
that it will be more like Dragonhelm's version posted on the Nexus...The spellfilcher, on the other hand, reminds me of the Complete Book of Elves (it also reminds me of a PrC that I'm working on, but no more on that now).
Originally posted by Eidolon
I get the impression
The War Mage may have had some inspiration from my war wizard on the Nexus, but the final result is something better still, IMO.
You will find that the War Mage is very useful if you're a wizard or sorcerer, and especially useful if you join the ranks of the Thorn Knights.
Anyway, I hope you guys will enjoy the War Mage when Age of Mortals comes out.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
The War Mage may have had some inspiration from my war wizard on the Nexus, but the final result is something better still, IMO.
You will find that the War Mage is very useful if you're a wizard or sorcerer, and especially useful if you join the ranks of the Thorn Knights.
Good, no offense, but the one that I saw on the Nexus was rather bland and underpowered compared to some of the PrCs that WotC have released.
Originally posted by Mucknuggle
Good, no offense, but the one that I saw on the Nexus was rather bland and underpowered compared to some of the PrCs that WotC have released.
I hope you will find the War Mage in Age of Mortals to be more to your liking.
Originally posted by Stormprince
Ahhh, that's a tame version of the myth ;)
Christopher
Let's just say it involved discoveries and experimenting ( purely for the sake [sake, get it?] of science, of course )... and had unexpected results... And we'll leave it at that.