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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2003 0:47:14 just a quick question, in the listing for ds3e.pdf it is listed that rangers are as the PHB, but it also states that the only rangers that can cast spell are the ones that dual classed to a spell casting class. what does the ranger get to compensate for the loss of spell casting?
#2
nytcrawlr
Jul 18, 2003 0:56:32 Might be one of our typos.

The ranger is going to be exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2003 15:01:18 Just to be clear. I have only been coming here recently. Is this DS3 thing a fan community project, or is it affiliated with "official" wotc?

And I think favored terrain instead of favored enemy is a brilliant idea, and one that should have been considered for core rangers.
#4
nytcrawlr
Jul 18, 2003 15:19:18
Originally posted by Xeros
Just to be clear. I have only been coming here recently. Is this DS3 thing a fan community project, or is it affiliated with "official" wotc?

It's official, and sometimes we take ideas and help from the community.

However, it's free and will only be released online in pdf format, no hardbounds.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2003 20:35:01
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Might be one of our typos.

The ranger is going to be exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses.

Ok.. But I noticed that Pterran entry still mention "Favoren Animal : As ranger's ability" or something like that... What is going to happen to that?
#6
star_gazer_02
Jul 18, 2003 21:03:27 Woops! That's my fault. I edited the dang thing. Go ahead and report it to the Armchair Editor thread.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 26, 2003 3:44:39 Hi to everybody. :D
This is my first message!!!

I have not understood yet. But does the Ranger cast the spells or not?

According to the pdf DS3.pdf the ranger is the same of the PHB but if he doesn't casts the spless he is disadvantaged.

Byez
#8
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jul 26, 2003 4:44:29 The DS3 ranger casts spells.
#9
zombiegleemax
Jul 26, 2003 6:20:52 ok. Why on the document of DS3.pdf there are not the additional spells for the Ranger as there are instead for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
#10
zombiegleemax
Jul 27, 2003 17:37:25
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
The DS3 ranger casts spells.

Why the change?
#11
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jul 27, 2003 18:51:10 1. The 3.5 ranger is excellent, better than the ranger we did.
2. We don't need to playtest the 3.5 ranger.
3. The original Dark Sun setting had spellcasting rangers.
#12
zombiegleemax
Jul 27, 2003 22:59:59 I know this is just a flavor bit of nitpicking, but where do rangers then draw the energy from in order to cast their spells? The elemental planes, spirits of the land, life energy, or internally? Its never actually specified and it actually is important when designing prestige classes for ranger styled characters amongst other things.
#13
nytcrawlr
Jul 28, 2003 1:18:29 Lesser spirit of the lands.
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 28, 2003 2:13:20 So then either

A: There are good and evil lesser spirits of the land who grant spells to good or evil rangers. This is a fine route to go if you view that defiling magic can corrupt the spirits that live within the defiled region.

or

B: Evil rangers 'steal' their spells from the good/neutral lesser spirits of the land. This route lends more flavor to the evil ranger, presenting a few more views as far as background.

Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected.
#15
nytcrawlr
Jul 28, 2003 2:20:22
Originally posted by Mach2.5
Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected.

Not sure yet. If not it may be in a later suppliment.
#16
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jul 28, 2003 3:49:37
Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected.

The lesser spirits the rangers can leech magical energy from and shape it into spells are not spirits able to manifest. They are in every rock, every creek etc - everywhere around you. But they are tiny tiny tiny spirits that can't defend themselves or communicate in any way. This has nothing to do with alignment, seeing the spirits cannot choose who leech their energy.
#17
zombiegleemax
Jul 28, 2003 3:53:49 Rather much like I was envisioning the whole thing anyhow. Just wanted to know if it was a viable source for other types of spellcasters (i.e. athasian witch-docter/shaman like classes).
#18
player1
Jul 28, 2003 10:50:01
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
Exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses.

Isn't that speciality of Horizon Walker PrC (from revised DMG).
#19
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jul 28, 2003 11:22:50
Originally posted by Mach2.5
So then either

A: There are good and evil lesser spirits of the land who grant spells to good or evil rangers. This is a fine route to go if you view that defiling magic can corrupt the spirits that live within the defiled region.

or

B: Evil rangers 'steal' their spells from the good/neutral lesser spirits of the land. This route lends more flavor to the evil ranger, presenting a few more views as far as background.

Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected.

Nature, usually in the d20 system is neither good not evil, most often it is neutral. What the individual rangers do with it is their own concern. Defiling/preserving really doesn't have much to do with it in regards to Rangers.
#20
flip
Jul 28, 2003 13:22:00 This didn't make it into the pre-release version of the rules, and we obviously need to update the ranger description so it no longer mentions that rangers don't get spells.

What we mean by "lesser spirits of the land"

It's inspired somewhat by the druids, and somewhat by the animistic idea that everything has a spirit. While a Druid gains his power from a Spirit of the Land, which is the spirit of a large and noticable geographic area, rangers draw from a somewhat different kind of spirit.

Everything -- rocks, trees, bushes, cacti -- has a spirit. Unlike a spirit of the land, these are unintelligent spirits, and can't manifest ... they recognize only the most basic and primitive of motiviations. Rangers, after time, learn to draw upon and influence these lesser spirits. Thus, the overwhelmingly "nature" orientedness of their spells ... Unlike a druid, who draws and cooperates with an overwhelmingly powerful -- and sentient -- spirit, Rangers remain uninfluenced by these lesser spirits. Conversly, the effects that rangers may draw upon can never be as powerful and dramatic as those a druid acheives.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2003 0:47:14	just a quick question, in the listing for ds3e.pdf it is listed that rangers are as the PHB, but it also states that the only rangers that can cast spell are the ones that dual classed to a spell casting class. what does the ranger get to compensate for the loss of spell casting?
#2 nytcrawlr Jul 18, 2003 0:56:32	Might be one of our typos. The ranger is going to be exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2003 15:01:18	Just to be clear. I have only been coming here recently. Is this DS3 thing a fan community project, or is it affiliated with "official" wotc? And I think favored terrain instead of favored enemy is a brilliant idea, and one that should have been considered for core rangers.
#4 nytcrawlr Jul 18, 2003 15:19:18	Originally posted by Xeros Just to be clear. I have only been coming here recently. Is this DS3 thing a fan community project, or is it affiliated with "official" wotc? It's official, and sometimes we take ideas and help from the community. However, it's free and will only be released online in pdf format, no hardbounds.
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2003 20:35:01	Originally posted by NytCrawlr Might be one of our typos. The ranger is going to be exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses. Ok.. But I noticed that Pterran entry still mention "Favoren Animal : As ranger's ability" or something like that... What is going to happen to that?
#6 star_gazer_02 Jul 18, 2003 21:03:27	Woops! That's my fault. I edited the dang thing. Go ahead and report it to the Armchair Editor thread.
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 26, 2003 3:44:39	Hi to everybody. :D This is my first message!!! I have not understood yet. But does the Ranger cast the spells or not? According to the pdf DS3.pdf the ranger is the same of the PHB but if he doesn't casts the spless he is disadvantaged. Byez
#8 jon_oracle_of_athas Jul 26, 2003 4:44:29	The DS3 ranger casts spells.
#9 zombiegleemax Jul 26, 2003 6:20:52	ok. Why on the document of DS3.pdf there are not the additional spells for the Ranger as there are instead for the Cleric, Druid and Wizard?
#10 zombiegleemax Jul 27, 2003 17:37:25	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas The DS3 ranger casts spells. Why the change?
#11 jon_oracle_of_athas Jul 27, 2003 18:51:10	1. The 3.5 ranger is excellent, better than the ranger we did. 2. We don't need to playtest the 3.5 ranger. 3. The original Dark Sun setting had spellcasting rangers.
#12 zombiegleemax Jul 27, 2003 22:59:59	I know this is just a flavor bit of nitpicking, but where do rangers then draw the energy from in order to cast their spells? The elemental planes, spirits of the land, life energy, or internally? Its never actually specified and it actually is important when designing prestige classes for ranger styled characters amongst other things.
#13 nytcrawlr Jul 28, 2003 1:18:29	Lesser spirit of the lands.
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 28, 2003 2:13:20	So then either A: There are good and evil lesser spirits of the land who grant spells to good or evil rangers. This is a fine route to go if you view that defiling magic can corrupt the spirits that live within the defiled region. or B: Evil rangers 'steal' their spells from the good/neutral lesser spirits of the land. This route lends more flavor to the evil ranger, presenting a few more views as far as background. Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected.
#15 nytcrawlr Jul 28, 2003 2:20:22	Originally posted by Mach2.5 Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected. Not sure yet. If not it may be in a later suppliment.
#16 jon_oracle_of_athas Jul 28, 2003 3:49:37	Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected. The lesser spirits the rangers can leech magical energy from and shape it into spells are not spirits able to manifest. They are in every rock, every creek etc - everywhere around you. But they are tiny tiny tiny spirits that can't defend themselves or communicate in any way. This has nothing to do with alignment, seeing the spirits cannot choose who leech their energy.
#17 zombiegleemax Jul 28, 2003 3:53:49	Rather much like I was envisioning the whole thing anyhow. Just wanted to know if it was a viable source for other types of spellcasters (i.e. athasian witch-docter/shaman like classes).
#18 player1 Jul 28, 2003 10:50:01	Originally posted by NytCrawlr Exactly like the 3.5 ranger with favored terrain added as something you can take instead of favored enemy, but with the same bonuses. Isn't that speciality of Horizon Walker PrC (from revised DMG).
#19 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 28, 2003 11:22:50	Originally posted by Mach2.5 So then either A: There are good and evil lesser spirits of the land who grant spells to good or evil rangers. This is a fine route to go if you view that defiling magic can corrupt the spirits that live within the defiled region. or B: Evil rangers 'steal' their spells from the good/neutral lesser spirits of the land. This route lends more flavor to the evil ranger, presenting a few more views as far as background. Also, will such lesser spirits be given stats in the Terrors of Athas supplement? Hopefully. I think the spirit aspect of Athas has been more than a little neglected. Nature, usually in the d20 system is neither good not evil, most often it is neutral. What the individual rangers do with it is their own concern. Defiling/preserving really doesn't have much to do with it in regards to Rangers.
#20 flip Jul 28, 2003 13:22:00	This didn't make it into the pre-release version of the rules, and we obviously need to update the ranger description so it no longer mentions that rangers don't get spells. What we mean by "lesser spirits of the land" It's inspired somewhat by the druids, and somewhat by the animistic idea that everything has a spirit. While a Druid gains his power from a Spirit of the Land, which is the spirit of a large and noticable geographic area, rangers draw from a somewhat different kind of spirit. Everything -- rocks, trees, bushes, cacti -- has a spirit. Unlike a spirit of the land, these are unintelligent spirits, and can't manifest ... they recognize only the most basic and primitive of motiviations. Rangers, after time, learn to draw upon and influence these lesser spirits. Thus, the overwhelmingly "nature" orientedness of their spells ... Unlike a druid, who draws and cooperates with an overwhelmingly powerful -- and sentient -- spirit, Rangers remain uninfluenced by these lesser spirits. Conversly, the effects that rangers may draw upon can never be as powerful and dramatic as those a druid acheives.