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| #1sweetmeatsJul 23, 2003 10:36:46 | What do people think of the PrC's in the new DMG? Any of the new one's fit the setting in your view? Arcane Trickster: For some reason I would say no, but then it might be a fitting class for a renegade caster. Archmage: Perhaps a nice one to go for when a wizard has maxed out levels in WoHS. Dragon Disicple: Um... yes and no. If yes, then I think it should be very rare. Duelist: I can see this working well, especially if your game involves the high seas or the Blood Sea. Something fitting for a Mariner perhaps? Eldritch Knight: Uh... besides being rather plain, I can't see this one fitting DL at all. Hierophant: This I can really see working well. Would mystics be able to take it though? Horizon Walker: Seems a little too different for a Krynnish campaign. Mystic Theurge: Arguments about the power level of this aside, does this fit DL? Maybe late 5th age... Red Wizard: FR, nah. Thaumaturgist: What do you think? |
| #2DragonhelmJul 23, 2003 11:09:36 | I don't have my DMG on me at the moment, but I will comment on what I can remember.Originally posted by SweetMeats Or for a sorcerer. Archmage: Perhaps a nice one to go for when a wizard has maxed out levels in WoHS. The archmage does seem to be a good option for a WoHS, but be careful on the schools, with the specialization requirement. Dragon Disicple: Um... yes and no. If yes, then I think it should be very rare. Agreed. The role of the half-dragon is filled by the draconians in Dragonlance, and again by dragonspawn. A dragon disciple, IMO, would be a rare character, descended from the relationship of a dragon and a human (or elf, or whatever). I would think that there would be lots of tragedy involved, as well as a lot of possible encounters with draconians and dragonspawn. I consider this option to be a one-in-a-million character. Eldritch Knight: Uh... besides being rather plain, I can't see this one fitting DL at all. I can see a couple of areas where the Eldritch Knight would fit. Firstly, the Knights of the Thorn. If you weren't using the Thorn Knight PrC from the DLCS, this may be an interesting option for playing them. I think this fits a sorcerer more than anything. Hierophant: This I can really see working well. Would mystics be able to take it though? There's nothing in the requirements that prohibit the mystic taking this. Mystic Theurge: Arguments about the power level of this aside, does this fit DL? Maybe late 5th age... It fits focused (godly) spellcasters rather poorly. Imagine doing this with a wizard/cleric. You'd have to gain wizardly power from the moon gods, then clerical magic from another god. The Mystic Theurge works best in the 5th age, especially with characters who are multi-classed sorcerer/mystics. These type of characters fit the description of a hybrid mage to a degree, as was mentioned in SAGA. They believe that Wild Sorcery and Mysticism are two sides to the same coin. One thing I'm noticing is that a lot of spellcasting PrCs can work fairly well for the sorcerer (who comes across as more "generic"), but works poorly for wizards. Anyway, those are my thoughts on a few of these. |
| #3jonesyJul 23, 2003 12:09:58 | From the old boards: http://archivedboards.wizards.com/community-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=287;t=000407 |
| #4talinthasJul 23, 2003 13:01:16 | i love the shadowdancer =) but as for the new ones? The only way to fit dragon disciple, imo, is for something like Huma's Son =) |
| #5zombiegleemaxJul 24, 2003 8:59:01 | a red robed wizard, cleric of Lunitari a white robed wiz, cleric of Solinari a black robed wiz, cleric of Nuitari i think it's the best option to play a mystic theurge... |
| #6ferratusJul 24, 2003 16:17:30 | Originally posted by SweetMeats Or a sorcerer as Dragonhelm said. Plus, keep in mind that Lunitari is a goddess of arcane trickery herself.
Yeah, pretty much every high powered arcane caster can use this one.
You guys have to realize that you can "tweak" the description of how the prestige class and still get its abilities. Just as sorcerers from Krynn do not have dragon blood in their veins, so to is the case that dragon disciples do not need to have dragon blood in their veins either. However, they do have the essence of dragons, gained through Sable's saliva, Khellendros' tears, Gellidus' quicksilver blood.... in other words, a variant dragonspawn. Or perhaps it is an effort by lesser dragons and human sorcerers to duplicate the dragonspawn made by the dragon overlords. You could make it a sect of paladins or clerics serving Paladine who gain shimmering golden (or platinum!) scales when they finally apotheosize.
Thorn Knight, Legion of Steel sorcerer, Solamnic Auxillary Knight, or just a random fighter/sorcerer or fighter/renegade mage.
They could indeed.
Use the first five levels (the non-planar adaptations), and rename it "Consumate Adventurerer". Then it will fit Krynn just fine, and be particularly appropriate for kender in the midst of wanderlust. After all, they've been everywhere man.
It could work prior to the 5th Age. Bram from "Defenders of Magic" was both a White Robe and a Druid of Chislev for example. You could have a cleric of Hiddukel/Black Robe as well, or any number of combinations.
I think the WoHS prestige class pretty much replaces this one. You could still keep it though, either as a replacement for the WoHS prestige class (if you don't like it) or as a cabal of sorcerers somewhere.
There are Infernals and Celestials on Krynn. I think the Phaeton makes a particularly stunning angel myself. |
| #7ferratusJul 24, 2003 16:29:03 | Originally posted by Dragonhelm That's why I insisted it would be better to hold off on the test until people could cast 3rd level spells. I've always insisted it made multi-classing and prestige class multi-classing easier. I also noted that at 6th level you no longer were as reliant on your ranged weapons. As it stands now, I guess we have no choice but to have a higher percentage of renegades around. My players are going to want to play these prestige classes, and I as a DM, want to use them for my own creatures. |
| #8zombiegleemaxJul 26, 2003 0:17:40 | What do people think of the PrC's in the new DMG? I personally believe that the new (and old) PrCs are more of examples of how to make a PrC. The Eldritch Knight, Arcane Trickster and Mystic Theurge show how to mix classes up, Hierophant and Archmage are examples of high level PrC giving new powers to one existing class, whilst the Red Wizard is an example of a campaign specific PrC. To further enhance a specific DL campaign, use the ones from the DLCS and make a couple up for yourself. |
| #9zombiegleemaxSep 15, 2003 8:44:29 | a red robed wizard, cleric of Lunitari Well, according to the DLCS, there are no Clerics of the moon gods - they are worshipped by the Wizards of High Sorcery, who sort of fill the "priest" role for Solinari, Lunitari and Nuitari, but that's it. So if you are going to stick to the canon, that wouldn't be an option. Besides, I feel the Mystic Theurge is overpowered and unimaginative anyway. The PrC has no "flavor" to it, and the only reason for its existence is to satisfy powergamers who want to gain arcane and divine spellcasting levels at the same time. In my view, that shouldn't happen in a well-run and well-balanced game in the first place - you are either a skilled wizard / sorcerer, or a skilled cleric, end of discussion. As in real life, when you want to get better in any one area of expertise, you need to specialize at the expense of another. You can't have the cake and eat it, so get over it! |
| #10DragonhelmSep 15, 2003 9:20:50 | Originally posted by Delazar The best option for doing a mystic theurge is to do a sorcerer/mystic (although bard/mystic is also available). Going with a wizard/cleric combo wouldn't work, since you can't multi-class between classes that gain their powers from different gods. |
| #11cam_banksSep 15, 2003 9:41:10 | The mystic theurge is a great class if you reduce it to 5 levels, as is the eldritch knight. There's nothing they couldn't accomplish with 5 that they'd be particularly suited for with 10, and you encourage more advancement in the base classes that way. In Dragonlance, both of these classes present serious problems for wizards. Being capable of casting spells of 3rd level or higher without having taken the Test makes the wizard a renegade. And being both a cleric and a wizard is also a problem, since you are not permitted to both commit yourself to two deities. A mystic/wizard would be fine, however - that's an excellent path for the mystic theurge (perhaps with the Magic domain, or either Protection (mystic of Solinari), Trickery (Lunitari) or Necromancy (Nuitari) as an alternate). Eldritch knights on the other hand, unless they're only going to be weilding a staff and go unarmored, are also going to get very concerned looks from the Orders. Cheers, Cam |