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#1
thegreatmonkey
Jul 30, 2003 11:56:36 What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2003 13:34:45
Originally posted by Thegreatmonkey
What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good?

From what I understand you can play a Trader, but they are rogues that select different skills and feats. This isn't that much different than 2nd edition, anyways. Also, if my memory isn't failing me, someone was working on a Trader prestige class as well.
#3
flip
Jul 30, 2003 14:50:08
Originally posted by Thegreatmonkey
What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good?

It's redundant. Nearly everything the old trader had going for it is covered by the 3e skills. And, seeing as nearly all of the relevant skills are class skills for the Rogue, and available to the expert, it's more of a profession or a character concept than it is the basis for a class.
#4
thegreatmonkey
Jul 30, 2003 16:55:02 That's what I figured. Thanks for the info guys. I was just curious.
#5
Kamelion
Jul 31, 2003 1:15:42 I have been intermittently working on a collection of feats meant to represent a trader's various options, with a single prestige class for more specialised house agents (it's been on hold while I got 3.5 and did revisions and stuff). The old draft is kindly being hosted by Jon at his Athas Online site. Fellow trader-freak Grummore has also been busy with traders for a while - his work is more based around the class than the feats and is on his website. Check it out!
#6
Grummore
Jul 31, 2003 10:44:20 Yeah! That's well said Kamelion! Which btw as a really interesting Trader based on feats. I had started a PrC (I already have one but am not satisfied) which I should post some days or another when I get the time.

I think I will read through Kamelion Trader again and see if I can merge both. I will email you that Kamelion when it's done. I wouldnt mind seeing a class more balanced between your Feats type and my abilities type.

Btw, my site address is in my signature.

AND for Flip, of course it's gonna be redundant if you stick with the old ability... read the Kamelion essais and mine and you will see there much interesting ideas and it is NOT all redundant. In each class you always have a certain amount of redundant things, so as the trader.
#7
flip
Jul 31, 2003 11:03:55
Originally posted by Grummore

AND for Flip, of course it's gonna be redundant if you stick with the old ability... read the Kamelion essais and mine and you will see there much interesting ideas and it is NOT all redundant. In each class you always have a certain amount of redundant things, so as the trader.

I said nothing about doing trader prestige classes. That's fine. I'm saying that it's totally redundant for a core class ... the competencies of the trader class werel all already covered. Creating a whole new 20 level core class for what is basically a profession wasn't really high on the list of things to do.

However, a Great House Trader is more or less the exact sort of thing that Prestige Classes are designed to cover.
#8
Kamelion
Aug 05, 2003 1:21:20 "Great House Trader" - cute name

Grummore, I'll be sure to send you any updates that I do (got one planned for the next couple of weeks, if I get the time) and we can put our trader heads together...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 thegreatmonkey Jul 30, 2003 11:56:36	What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good?
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2003 13:34:45	Originally posted by Thegreatmonkey What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good? From what I understand you can play a Trader, but they are rogues that select different skills and feats. This isn't that much different than 2nd edition, anyways. Also, if my memory isn't failing me, someone was working on a Trader prestige class as well.
#3 flip Jul 30, 2003 14:50:08	Originally posted by Thegreatmonkey What about making the Trader class from 2ed into an NPC class? I haven't heard anything about it, so I assume that it was dropped. I don't know of anyone who played it anyway, so that's understandable. But would it be a good class to have, or would it be redundant considering the expert can be just as good? It's redundant. Nearly everything the old trader had going for it is covered by the 3e skills. And, seeing as nearly all of the relevant skills are class skills for the Rogue, and available to the expert, it's more of a profession or a character concept than it is the basis for a class.
#4 thegreatmonkey Jul 30, 2003 16:55:02	That's what I figured. Thanks for the info guys. I was just curious.
#5 Kamelion Jul 31, 2003 1:15:42	I have been intermittently working on a collection of feats meant to represent a trader's various options, with a single prestige class for more specialised house agents (it's been on hold while I got 3.5 and did revisions and stuff). The old draft is kindly being hosted by Jon at his Athas Online site. Fellow trader-freak Grummore has also been busy with traders for a while - his work is more based around the class than the feats and is on his website. Check it out!
#6 Grummore Jul 31, 2003 10:44:20	Yeah! That's well said Kamelion! Which btw as a really interesting Trader based on feats. I had started a PrC (I already have one but am not satisfied) which I should post some days or another when I get the time. I think I will read through Kamelion Trader again and see if I can merge both. I will email you that Kamelion when it's done. I wouldnt mind seeing a class more balanced between your Feats type and my abilities type. Btw, my site address is in my signature. AND for Flip, of course it's gonna be redundant if you stick with the old ability... read the Kamelion essais and mine and you will see there much interesting ideas and it is NOT all redundant. In each class you always have a certain amount of redundant things, so as the trader.
#7 flip Jul 31, 2003 11:03:55	Originally posted by Grummore AND for Flip, of course it's gonna be redundant if you stick with the old ability... read the Kamelion essais and mine and you will see there much interesting ideas and it is NOT all redundant. In each class you always have a certain amount of redundant things, so as the trader. I said nothing about doing trader prestige classes. That's fine. I'm saying that it's totally redundant for a core class ... the competencies of the trader class werel all already covered. Creating a whole new 20 level core class for what is basically a profession wasn't really high on the list of things to do. However, a Great House Trader is more or less the exact sort of thing that Prestige Classes are designed to cover.
#8 Kamelion Aug 05, 2003 1:21:20	"Great House Trader" - cute name Grummore, I'll be sure to send you any updates that I do (got one planned for the next couple of weeks, if I get the time) and we can put our trader heads together...