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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 31, 2003 0:34:01 I have a few questions about the Legion that maybe someone can answer as best they can. I know there are some prestige classes for the Legion in the Dragonlance Campaign Setting and the Age of Mortals companion, but is any detailed information giving about the Legion beyond the flavor text of the aforementioned prestige classes? Is there a rank structure/titles (like the Solamnic's and Neraka Knights have in each order)? And lastly, I may have just missed this in novels (I miss little details like this), what's the Legion's symbol? Thanks in advance.
#2
ferratus
Jul 31, 2003 3:04:41 The Legion's symbol is an elven starjewel, like the one Alhana gave to Sturm, and Sturm gave to his son, Steel Brightblade.

The Legion of Steel is an organization that operates on a very local level. Basically it is divided into countless independent cells, who use subterfuge and politiking in order to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions.

Basically, if you are familiar with the Forgotten Realms Setting, they are Harpers with a slightly more militant attitude and outlook.
#3
cam_banks
Jul 31, 2003 3:12:23
Originally posted by ferratus

Basically, if you are familiar with the Forgotten Realms Setting, they are Harpers with a slightly more militant attitude and outlook.

And with fewer bards.

There is a base Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS, and the Age of Mortals Companion includes a Legion Mystic, Legion Scout, and Legion Sorcerer PrC to help flesh out the roles of the organization should that be seen as necessary. Of course, none of this prevents you from running Legion of Steel adventures with low-level core class characters. Make sure they're generally good-aligned and pick up skills such as Bluff, Gather Information and Sense Motive.

Cheers,
Cam
#4
brimstone
Jul 31, 2003 10:23:58
Originally posted by ferratus
The Legion of Steel is an organization that operates on a very local level. Basically it is divided into countless independent cells, who use subterfuge and politiking in order to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions.

Good Lord, but you are a bitter one, aren't you?

;)
#5
ferratus
Jul 31, 2003 16:32:08 Not particularly. It is just the most succinct explanation of the "Legion of Steel" that I can come up with. The legion of Steel does its role in the dragonlance setting just fine. I have no complaints.

Like it or not, the Legion of Steel is not particularly unique or original, and the analogy between them and the Harpers is apt.
#6
brimstone
Jul 31, 2003 16:36:49
Originally posted by ferratus
Like it or not, the Legion of Steel is not particularly unique or original, and the analogy between them and the Harpers is apt.

I know...I've made the same analogy before. Although quite a few disagreed with me...not necessarily on the principals between the two groups...but between it's members.

Anyway...I was refering to the quote, "to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions" only.

You just always seem so angry and bitter and unhappy with Dragonlance in general here (and on the DL-L). Maybe you should get a puppy. :D
#7
ferratus
Jul 31, 2003 17:06:36 I'm blunt. As a sledgehammer.

I just point out how things are, and why they are. For example, if I say that the designers of the DLCS have followed the grand old tradition of scads of variant rules over setting detail, then that's pretty much what we got. I will also that it isn't as extreme as in DLA, but pretty much the same as the "Tales of the Lance" boxed set.

I don't resort to abuse, so when I express disapproval it is through the clear and succinct explanation of what is wrong. If I get a strong reaction to that, it is because my complaints are legitimate. Otherwise people would just ignore me because I wouldn't be making any sense.

Thus far, my only complaints with the DLCS is its format and its rules. Elfsight is redundant. "Curse of the Magi" is ludicrously unbalanced. There is not enough basic geographical information for fans to have a shared vision of dragonlance.

These are all simple facts. If it rankles you to hear it, well... I guess you'll just have to put me on ignore. I'm not about to stop stating things bluntly any time soon.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 31, 2003 17:28:18 Thanks everyone! Your information is very helpful. The Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS is 3 levels, is that a common theme among the ones in the Age of Mortals companion as well? Just something I'd like to know if I decide to make my own or somesuch.
#9
Dragonhelm
Jul 31, 2003 17:29:57
Originally posted by Isstin
Thanks everyone! Your information is very helpful. The Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS is 3 levels, is that a common theme among the ones in the Age of Mortals companion as well? Just something I'd like to know if I decide to make my own or somesuch.

Each one in Age of Mortals is 5 levels. They're the Legion Scout, Legion Sorcerer, and Legion Mystic.
#10
brimstone
Aug 01, 2003 10:21:48
Originally posted by ferratus
Thus far, my only complaints with the DLCS is its format and its rules. Elfsight is redundant. "Curse of the Magi" is ludicrously unbalanced. There is not enough basic geographical information for fans to have a shared vision of dragonlance.

All legetimate concerns. Although the first one I blame on WotC...3e Rules over world flavor is how they ruled, apparently.

The "Curse"...well...it's interesting...but boy would that suck. I think it's probably better to just role-play the fatigue.

And as for the geographical info...I think you should read it before you knock it. You've only read one entry. Yes...there is a certain lack of maps (and that even has me slightly miffed)...but that's the only problem I see with the geo section. Everything else has all the major information we need to play. Trade, population, major sites, major ruins, important areas. It's all there. And the Atlas...I think it will just add to what we get here and make it all that much better.

Now, after you read the DLCS, and you still highly dislike the Geo Section...then I'll let this drop. But really, you shouldn't judge it before you even see it, that's not really fair to authors, I think.
#11
zombiegleemax
Aug 01, 2003 21:33:45
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Each one in Age of Mortals is 5 levels. They're the Legion Scout, Legion Sorcerer, and Legion Mystic.

And each requires at least one level in the base LoS PrC, so you can easily run eight levels of steely goodness for your devoted legionaire!
#12
ferratus
Aug 03, 2003 12:29:07 Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 31, 2003 0:34:01	I have a few questions about the Legion that maybe someone can answer as best they can. I know there are some prestige classes for the Legion in the Dragonlance Campaign Setting and the Age of Mortals companion, but is any detailed information giving about the Legion beyond the flavor text of the aforementioned prestige classes? Is there a rank structure/titles (like the Solamnic's and Neraka Knights have in each order)? And lastly, I may have just missed this in novels (I miss little details like this), what's the Legion's symbol? Thanks in advance.
#2 ferratus Jul 31, 2003 3:04:41	The Legion's symbol is an elven starjewel, like the one Alhana gave to Sturm, and Sturm gave to his son, Steel Brightblade. The Legion of Steel is an organization that operates on a very local level. Basically it is divided into countless independent cells, who use subterfuge and politiking in order to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions. Basically, if you are familiar with the Forgotten Realms Setting, they are Harpers with a slightly more militant attitude and outlook.
#3 cam_banks Jul 31, 2003 3:12:23	Originally posted by ferratus Basically, if you are familiar with the Forgotten Realms Setting, they are Harpers with a slightly more militant attitude and outlook. And with fewer bards. There is a base Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS, and the Age of Mortals Companion includes a Legion Mystic, Legion Scout, and Legion Sorcerer PrC to help flesh out the roles of the organization should that be seen as necessary. Of course, none of this prevents you from running Legion of Steel adventures with low-level core class characters. Make sure they're generally good-aligned and pick up skills such as Bluff, Gather Information and Sense Motive. Cheers, Cam
#4 brimstone Jul 31, 2003 10:23:58	Originally posted by ferratus The Legion of Steel is an organization that operates on a very local level. Basically it is divided into countless independent cells, who use subterfuge and politiking in order to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions. Good Lord, but you are a bitter one, aren't you? ;)
#5 ferratus Jul 31, 2003 16:32:08	Not particularly. It is just the most succinct explanation of the "Legion of Steel" that I can come up with. The legion of Steel does its role in the dragonlance setting just fine. I have no complaints. Like it or not, the Legion of Steel is not particularly unique or original, and the analogy between them and the Harpers is apt.
#6 brimstone Jul 31, 2003 16:36:49	Originally posted by ferratus Like it or not, the Legion of Steel is not particularly unique or original, and the analogy between them and the Harpers is apt. I know...I've made the same analogy before. Although quite a few disagreed with me...not necessarily on the principals between the two groups...but between it's members. Anyway...I was refering to the quote, "to acheive their goals of "freedom and justice" and other such vague idealogical positions" only. You just always seem so angry and bitter and unhappy with Dragonlance in general here (and on the DL-L). Maybe you should get a puppy. :D
#7 ferratus Jul 31, 2003 17:06:36	I'm blunt. As a sledgehammer. I just point out how things are, and why they are. For example, if I say that the designers of the DLCS have followed the grand old tradition of scads of variant rules over setting detail, then that's pretty much what we got. I will also that it isn't as extreme as in DLA, but pretty much the same as the "Tales of the Lance" boxed set. I don't resort to abuse, so when I express disapproval it is through the clear and succinct explanation of what is wrong. If I get a strong reaction to that, it is because my complaints are legitimate. Otherwise people would just ignore me because I wouldn't be making any sense. Thus far, my only complaints with the DLCS is its format and its rules. Elfsight is redundant. "Curse of the Magi" is ludicrously unbalanced. There is not enough basic geographical information for fans to have a shared vision of dragonlance. These are all simple facts. If it rankles you to hear it, well... I guess you'll just have to put me on ignore. I'm not about to stop stating things bluntly any time soon.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 31, 2003 17:28:18	Thanks everyone! Your information is very helpful. The Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS is 3 levels, is that a common theme among the ones in the Age of Mortals companion as well? Just something I'd like to know if I decide to make my own or somesuch.
#9 Dragonhelm Jul 31, 2003 17:29:57	Originally posted by Isstin Thanks everyone! Your information is very helpful. The Legion of Steel PrC in the DLCS is 3 levels, is that a common theme among the ones in the Age of Mortals companion as well? Just something I'd like to know if I decide to make my own or somesuch. Each one in Age of Mortals is 5 levels. They're the Legion Scout, Legion Sorcerer, and Legion Mystic.
#10 brimstone Aug 01, 2003 10:21:48	Originally posted by ferratus Thus far, my only complaints with the DLCS is its format and its rules. Elfsight is redundant. "Curse of the Magi" is ludicrously unbalanced. There is not enough basic geographical information for fans to have a shared vision of dragonlance. All legetimate concerns. Although the first one I blame on WotC...3e Rules over world flavor is how they ruled, apparently. The "Curse"...well...it's interesting...but boy would that suck. I think it's probably better to just role-play the fatigue. And as for the geographical info...I think you should read it before you knock it. You've only read one entry. Yes...there is a certain lack of maps (and that even has me slightly miffed)...but that's the only problem I see with the geo section. Everything else has all the major information we need to play. Trade, population, major sites, major ruins, important areas. It's all there. And the Atlas...I think it will just add to what we get here and make it all that much better. Now, after you read the DLCS, and you still highly dislike the Geo Section...then I'll let this drop. But really, you shouldn't judge it before you even see it, that's not really fair to authors, I think.
#11 zombiegleemax Aug 01, 2003 21:33:45	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Each one in Age of Mortals is 5 levels. They're the Legion Scout, Legion Sorcerer, and Legion Mystic. And each requires at least one level in the base LoS PrC, so you can easily run eight levels of steely goodness for your devoted legionaire!
#12 ferratus Aug 03, 2003 12:29:07	Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.