Kaz looks hardcore!
I have a feeling this is going to be well-done.
BTW I think it's fantastic. :D
has there ever been created magic piercings? :p
I got to meet the guys behind the magic at GenCon, and let me tell you - this will be sweet. They're just really nice guys, dedicated to producing a great comic.
Ernst over at Roaring Studios has asked that I give him a hand, and we're going to need your help as well.
Roaring Studios would like to get your input on how you envision the characters of The Legend of Huma, such as Huma, Magius, Kaz, and Galan Dracos! How do you envision the dragonlances, and Wyrmfather?
Also, tell us what you would like to see in the Huma comic.
This is your chance, guys. You will have input on how you envision Dragonlance. From these various visions, the guys at Roaring Studios will be able to piece together the most-shared visions into what will become the Legend of Huma comic book.
Long Live the Lance!
I'd drop kaz's nipple ring and increase his horns.
Remove the wings on Huma's helmet, remove that red cape and give him a younger look.
I'd add a greyish look on the dragon to make it look a bit less blue
And galan dracos would look "humanlike" but with some draconic features in the face.
Originally posted by lost_boy_84
I imagine the Wyrmfather as a chinese dragon. smthing like dragon ball's dragon but thinner and smaller.
I'd drop kaz's nipple ring and increase his horns.
Remove the wings on Huma's helmet, remove that red cape and give him a younger look.
I'd add a greyish look on the dragon to make it look a bit less blue
And galan dracos would look "humanlike" but with some draconic features in the face.
1. I imagined Wyrmfather more like the Platinum Dragon. Not a skinny chinese dragon. I like the representation, he almost looks made of quicksilver.
2. I am "pro-nipple ring" heh
3. Yeah, Huma could look younger, but I don't know how they would accomplish that and give him the same solamnic type mustache. I assume that the clothes he is wearing came from the novel.. but since it's been like 15 years since I read it I could be wrong. heh
Oh, and for advice on drawing dragons, there's only one place to go. :D
Originally posted by lost_boy_84
I'd drop kaz's nipple ring and increase his horns.
Remove the wings on Huma's helmet, remove that red cape and give him a younger look.
I'd add a greyish look on the dragon to make it look a bit less blue
Increase the horns? Are you m-m-m-mad!? Hah, I'd say they're about as big as they're gonna get, without breaking the poor guy's neck!And I think Huma look fine.... The moustaches make him look older, but that's unavoidable.
*Waits with eager anticipation of comic release :D
Granted, it has been years since I've read Legend of Huma...
Anyway, Huma is supposed to look older than he is, greying already even in his youth. Kaz and Huma will both have feet, and the nipple ring is going to be gone in the book.
Did I miss anything? Oh, the blue sheen on the silver dragon, we'll work on that.
-Mike
Hehe ... I just realized I posted under the post of the artist. :D
Let me say this ... I guess it would be hard to prevent a knight of Solomnia from looking like a professional wrestler. For one ... you have that long hair and secondly you have the handlebar moustache. The blonde hair adds to this look as well.
And I like the nipple ring on Kas ...
I think his eyes are supposed to be "sad". I really can't think of a better way to say it. But they should still have a youthful look to them. Wasn't he in his early to mid-twenties?
(I'm one of your fans/defenders from back in the day at the DCMB -- great to see you on DL! I had my hopes up once I heard Roaring was handling it...)
:bounce:
Be warned everyone -- Mike Miller's a great guy AND a spectacular comic artist!
Originally posted by Mike S Miller
Then again, I drew it. lol.
Anyway, Huma is supposed to look older than he is, greying already even in his youth. Kaz and Huma will both have feet, and the nipple ring is going to be gone in the book.
Did I miss anything? Oh, the blue sheen on the silver dragon, we'll work on that.
-Mike
I wouldn't remove that nipple ring if I was yo
Seriosly it was really cool don't take it away. To say the truth I think that the picture is perfect . Huma looks as he should. If you make him to young he will look lika "youngling" (Wheel of Time) and I don't think that will fit in in the heroic Huma were used to
Most important is the nipple ring on Kaz, which besides being cool and aesthetic, it gives a touch of savagery which may or not befit a minotaur. In this case not......I think
Originally posted by Mike S Miller
Then again, I drew it. lol.
Anyway, Huma is supposed to look older than he is, greying already even in his youth. Kaz and Huma will both have feet, and the nipple ring is going to be gone in the book.
Did I miss anything? Oh, the blue sheen on the silver dragon, we'll work on that.
-Mike
Hey Mike,
No, Mike you didn't miss anything at all. I took notes on what the fans have been saying so far and I'm going to look into their questions and post later. We will get the colorist to work on the silver dragon to remove that blue sheen. To all the fans Here is a quick sketch of Kaz that Mike Miller did with feet. No hooves ;)
Hi everyone, I'm Ernst. Trampas introduced me earlier. I had the pleasure to meet him, the Whitestone Council, Sovereign Press, and the authors of Dragonlance and I have to say that they are not only dedicated to giving you fans nothing but the best, but they are also a wonderful group of people. Thanks, Trampas for giving us a hand and I also want to thank the fans who posted so far for the great inputs. I'll be back in a few.
Ernst Dabel
www.roaringstudios.com
Originally posted by AmerginLiath
That's yours, Mike? I thought as much! :D
(I'm one of your fans/defenders from back in the day at the DCMB -- great to see you on DL! I had my hopes up once I heard Roaring was handling it...)
:bounce:
Be warned everyone -- Mike Miller's a great guy AND a spectacular comic artist!
Thanks a lot, but I'm just doing character designs and layouts on this project. I'd love to draw everything that Roaring is doing, but I'm just not that fast.
lost_boy_84: Your question about Wyrmfather being a chinese dragon. In the Legend of Huma on page 189 Huma recognizes that wyrmfather was the dragon after which the statuette in Magius' citadel had been patterned...on page 106 the statuette is described in this manner "an ageless sculpture of an odd-looking dragon. It was long and narrow, almost like a snake..."
We'll see how the sketches come out. I spoke to Mike about Wyrmfather and he is already aware of the descriptions so I'm certain that you will be pleased with the end result
Soulforged: Yes, Larry Elmore is already aboard as is Jeff Eisley. I'll have my brother look into Stawicki. I hope that is good news for you.
Paladin's Wrath: As for Huma's helm, this is the information that I got from page 12 "From a distance, they might have looked like demons, for the horns or wings that decorated the sides of each knight's helmet were now more evident. The more elaborate, the higher the rank, save in Rennard's case. Typical of his ways, he had only a crest that rode from the front all the way down the back." I hope that answered your question.
Talinthas: As for Magius, he is described in three different ways in the Legend of Huma. "He was tall, and clad in extravagant, well-made clothing. Elegant gold locks of hair gave him the look of a regal lion. Handsome, almost pretty face, one well at home in the royal courts, perhaps flirting with young, well-to-do maidens. Wore a blue and gold ensemble. The gold was real laced into the cloth. The cape was white, and very soft. Wore hip boots of fine polished leather. Later he wore the red robes. When he wore the red robes, Magius was thinner and much of the vanity was gone from his manner. The once brilliant gold sheen of his hair was now a miserable brown, and it was cut much shorter." The last time when he is seen at the end of the book he wore the white robes and his physical appearance was bad ( I say bad because I don't want to ruin it for those who did not yet have a chance to read the book). I hope that I answered your concerns properly.
When I spoke to Richard Knaack, he also mentioned to me that when Kaz is surprised that his ears sticks up straight, that's something that I'm looking to see. I'm sure that Magius must have had a lot to do with this especially with his remarks and attitude towards the honorable minotaur
Well, I hope that I answered all of your concerns properly. They were all very good comments and if you have any other inputs, please feel free to post them. Thanks.
I'm very impressed.
Please don't take this the wrong way, I really do love the artwork otherwise. keep up the great work.
i can't wait to see magius and your work on future dragonlance graphic novels.
When I said "look humanoid" I guess I meant "look intelligent." Your rendering looks like a being that can communicate and fit into 'normal' lifestyle. The MM version looks like it would just eat everyone. Kaz is supposed to be the former type.
One thing though, the staff. I would rather it looked like a claw, you know? with three longer talons in the back and one shorter one in the front.
As for the beard, i always thought that it was more a goatee style.
As for Huma and Kaz, they are perfect as is.
what are your thoughts on galan dracos? or huma's uncle?
You might be interested in some of my work. Here is a piece I am particularly proud of.
Don't let that intimidate you, I've just been at this longer than you have. :D
(And yes .. I know I posted this in another thread .. but dang it, I like it)
i think he looks a little too elven, i think it's the doublet and belt. i don't know how he's described in the novel but i think you should go for something more robe-like.
Originally posted by talinthas
what are your thoughts on galan dracos? or huma's uncle?
I think I will base them off the descriptions in the book. Like I said, I never pictured Magius with a beard because it never says he has on in the book. You'll get a chance to see them soon enough. Maybe I'll just post all the character designs here to get your responses...
Heeeeere's Bennett!
Huma looks good, but that helm has got to lose the wings. Or at least make the wings look more menacing, and like they are part of the helm. The way they were drawn look like little Sparrow wings glued to the helm. Well since they are white wings maybe sea gulls. And I see your point they have a picture with the wings on the helm.
Kas - To me the waterbuffalo horns look out of place on a minotaur. Its differant, but I perfer the horns look like that of a bull. Maybe try american plain's buffalo. The horns on them look kind of cool, I could picture that on a minotaur. Also in the Legend of Huma they show Kas with hair long flowing hair. Maybe add that? And I agree Kas probably has a few scars over his body. His clothing would be rough from his travel, and escaping from servatude.
One thing .. you just sold me on purchasing this. I'm confused ... is this a graphic novel or an ongoing comic?
how about magius with stubble?
Originally posted by themeecer
Dang ... I prefer these to the colored versions. You can see the details so much better. Could you post your initial sketches of Huma and Kaz as well?
One thing .. you just sold me on purchasing this. I'm confused ... is this a graphic novel or an ongoing comic?
Maybe later on the sketches.
It's going to be a line of prestige format comics, or serialized graphic novels. As in 48 page (roughly) squarebound ad free issues that should come out bi-monthly until the story is done. We're thinking 6 issues total for this book, but we haven't finalized any numbers like that yet.
The purpose of doing the books like this is that they will ship at the same time to both comic book stores and booksellers, so we won't screw retailers with quick-turn-around Trade paperbacks, and we can still get the books into bookstores right away and reach the audience that doesn't make it into the comic shops. We're trying to make this work for everyone all the way around, and I think this is the best way to get that done. No gimmicks, just quality books that hopefully the fans will love as much as the source material.
Originally posted by The Soulforged
Oh, and for advice on drawing dragons, there's only one place to go. :D
[i]TROGDOR!!!!![/i]
Sorry...sometimes, Strong Bad gets me a little excited. heh heh
Originally posted by Mike S Miller
Someone pointed out that having both main characters be one type of blonde or another, with facial hair would make them kind of confusing... A goatee would look even closer to a simple mustache than a full beard. That's another reason I'd rather go with a clean shave, at least the first time we meet Magius.
I don't know...I think it's important to go with the beard. I've always thought of him as beared (from the book). And the only painting we have of him shows Magius with a goatee (chin hair only...no moustache...not a van gough). I like the idea of Magius with either a goatee or a full jawline beard, minus the hair under the nose.
Oh...and one way you might be able to decipher between the two is...have one of them (either Huma or Magius...the latter might be a better choice) have a much darker beard. Blonde hair with a dark brown (maybe even close to black) facial hair isn't unheard of. And it could give Magius a little bit more of an interesting look (as if brown robes and a 7 foot staff with a dragon claw attached to the end isn't interesting enough) :D
Originally posted by Dragontooth
Kas - To me the waterbuffalo horns look out of place on a minotaur. Its differant, but I perfer the horns look like that of a bull. Maybe try american plain's buffalo.
I think I shoudl throw out...since no one has really said it specifically yet:
I really like these horns on Kaz. I wasn't sure at first...but they've really grown on me. It gives him a very unique look. Very cool.
And as for the wings...maybe just changing the color from white to steel (to match his helm) would be enough to make it look like part of the helmet.
Just a suggestion.
Oh...and I'd like to add my agreement to Terry's...I am very impressed with the amount of deatail that you all are getting from the book. Very impressive.
and the more i think of it, the more magius with stubble would look better.
To be honest, his face doesnt appeal to me, so i want it covered ;)
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Anyhoo, back to topic!
Originally posted by jonesy
I think the clean shaven Magius looks kind of, well, aloof. Sort of like the appearance of him I got when Huma and Kaz meet him at his home.
I think the face is fine...but it definately looks alot better with the beard, I think.
Although...yeah, the chin looks...different. Once it's colored...that will probably look normal (that's probably a shadow line of some sort?)
But...hear hear! for Magius with facial hair! :D
I thing like the idea of just a beard and no moustache .... kind of like an Amish beard.
Ernst Dabel
www.roaringstudios.com
Concerning Wyrmfather he is described as being long and slender but I think it should look like a westren version of that not an eastren version. I don't know thats how I picture him.
I do also agree with talinthas' post on the claw on the staff tip more or less reaching up from behind the crystal rather than being roughly symmetrical all the way around. It just doesn't look like a dragon claw in the symmetric fashion (for any of the representations I've seen of it in that manner).
It's also good seeing Magius is a snazzy dresser. The whole 100% covered in robes deal has been done to death.
Bennett also looks great!
It's too bad my artistic talent isn't as great as Mike's... or themeecer's.
its my new livejournal icon =)
If Huma has prematurely greying hair though, I'd assume Renard (his uncle) probably has white.
And the claws...sometimes they come up the back, sometimes they're symetrical...sometimes they're carved like real dragon claws...sometimes they're just an artists representation.
I read in History of the Dragonlance World that Elmore explained the reason he always painted it differently ("in world" explanation) was because everytime he saw it, it looked different. That explanation has stuck with me, and the different views of the Staff of Magius has never bothered me since (except for the 5 foot version of it on Stawicki's cover of Dragons of Spring Dawning and Test of the Twins...if it's even that long)
(EDIT: Spelling errors)
I realize he is a minotaur and doesn't have much control over it, and keeping in mind that I truly am impressed with both, I offer only the advice to please keep his hairstyle as much apart from that of a mullet as possible.Originally posted by Brimstone
Personally...I don't think I'd worry too much about the Staff of Magius. The thing is never depicted the same way twice...even by the same artists. Sometimes it's 7-8 feet tall (ala [i]Dragons of Spring Dawning[i], 1st ed, Elmore) Sometimes it's only 6 feet tall (Legends Covers, 1st ed, Elmore). And of course there's always the infamous 4-5 foot tall staff that Stawicki always draws (Except on the cover of Time of the Twins). Then you've got white crystal, blue crystal, pink crystal, somtimes it's spherical, sometimes oblong, sometimes smooth, and sometimes faceted...it's always different.
And the claws...sometimes they come up the back, sometimes they're symetrical...sometimes they're carved like real dragon claws...sometimes they're just an artists representation.
I read in History of the Dragonlance World that Elmore explained the reason he always painted it differently ("in world" explanation) was because everytime he saw it, it looked different. That explanation has stuck with me, and the different views of the Staff of Magius has never bothered me since (except for the 5 foot version of it on Stawicki's cover of Dragons of Spring Dawning and Test of the Twins...if it's even that long)
(EDIT: Spelling errors)
We can always add a shapechange ability to the staff :P
I just finished the first issue and had a lot of fun bringing the characters to the page, I hope everyone enjoys what we're doing! Feel free to post questions if you have any and I'll do my best to answer. If I don't know the answer, I promise to make up something just as good.
best wishes,
Brian Augustyn
Originally posted by B A Writer
I just finished the first issue and had a lot of fun bringing the characters to the page, I hope everyone enjoys what we're doing! Feel free to post questions if you have any and I'll do my best to answer. If I don't know the answer, I promise to make up something just as good.
Hey...anything that gets Dragonlance exposure, can't be bad, right? ;)
Anyway...I do have a couple questions:
Since the first comic is done being written...you might be able to answer both of these. When is the first issue going to be out (appoximately)? And since you know how far you got with one issue...do you have a better idea on how many issues the Legend of Huma might include?
Thanks, man! I look forward to seeing the finished product!
Originally posted by Brimstone
[b] When is the first issue going to be out (appoximately)? And since you know how far you got with one issue...do you have a better idea on how many issues the Legend of Huma might include?
Akshully, I don't know when the book starts coming out, sorry. But I am pretty sure that the adaptation will be 12 issues.
Thanks for the interest--we'll do our best to make DragonLance proud and you guys happy.
It's gonna be great!
It is good to see you here. To the fans, I had a chance to read the script before we sent it in for approval and I have to say it was AMAZING!!!!! Mr. Augustyn does The Legend of Huma comic book true justice. One last thing that I want to say to the fans, don't be afraid to pick at his brains and ask him any questions, concerns, suggestions, or ideas that you have. Mr. Augustyn like the rest of Roaring Studios are here for you
My only criticism is the "water buffalo" look of Kaz. With so much painstaking detail being taken to find specific descriptions of each character, I'm a bit surprised that the minotaur as a "man with the head of a bull" is being cast aside for the new look. I'd like to see Mike draw Kaz with bull horns so we could compare. I have a feeling he'd look better with bull horns.
Either way I'm very much looking forward to seeing the final product.
Firstly I just want to say how excited I am to get my grubby mitts on these books. I love comics and Dragonlance and now I can combine the two!
I just want to say that, I love DL Minotaurs and Kaz has always been my favorite character. With that said, I think the illustrations of Kaz are awesome! The water buffalo look is very cool and rather frightening. Also Kaz's Axe ... Marvelous!
Huma look very interesting and distinguished. The greying hair is a nice touch. I don't really like the winged but that just from a "realistic armor" perspective.
As for Magius, I like the facial hair version but I think you are completely right about having two of the main characters with being confusing.
And what can I say about the design for Bennet! *falls down*
Great work, guys! I can't wait!
Ps. To all those "He should have the horns of a bull posters, remember that any male bovine is a bull :D
I just wanted to say i am one of Kaziganthi's biggest fan's Richard Knaak is a great person. I think all the art work here so far is outstanding. I would like to say that i myself would like to see maybe 1 or 2 differnt versions of Kaz .
I was thinking he should have some kinda of scars as well. and be a tad bit darker in color , as far as Huma goes Mike you did a super job. Bennet is wonderful as well , alot of Bennet will be the way you guys color him also i think his skin will play a great factor in it. Magnus if i rember correctly did grow stubble later on in the book towards the end .
Also one last thing i read that you guys wanted to know who else we would like to see you do comics of . I would love to see the Kaz line up of books be done as a comic , if you guys do them please email me at [email]Kazaganti@cox.net[/email] as i would like to pay for a signed copy for my Kaz Collection.
Jason Williamson
Kaz's #1 Fan
Originally posted by Tenken
Where are you guys seeing the artwork for this stuff...?
This thread.
Canon Issues:
1) Takhisis in her Chromatic Dragon form (the Tiamat form) is described incorrectly in the LoH. There, it claims the Blue dragon is the center head...the most powerful of Tak's children. But it is commonly known that this is incorrect, that the Red is the most favored of her children. The correct alignment of heads in the Chromatic Dragon form (which is also correct on Caldwell's "Dragons of Triumph") is From Takhisis's right to left:
Black
Blue
Red
Green
White
2) Gwyneth is a human, not an elf.
3) The hammer used to forge the dragonlances is the hammer of Kharas. However, it does not receive this name until the year 39 AC during the Dwarfgate War. Before that time, its name is...well, really it's anybody's guess. But I thought it was referred to at one time as the hammer of Reorx before the Hylar, Kharas, used it.
4) Contrary to what Heart tells Huma, all dragons do not have the ability to breathe fire. It is possible that Heart could have cast a fireball spell at Dracos (that is who it was, wasn't it?) but she could not have breathed fire on him. Good dragons have a leathal and a non-leathal breath weapon and chromatics only have one leathal weapon each.
Brass - Sleep Gas and Fire
Copper - Slowness Gas and Acid
Bronze - Repulsive Gas and Lightning
Silver - Paralyzation Gas and Frost
Gold - Chlorine Gas and Fire
White - Frost
Black - Acid
Blue - Lightning
Green - Corrosive Gas (or whatever they call it in 3e now)
Red - Fire
5) The fifth thing...and this is just personal preference. Can we see more Brass dragons with the ram shaped horns? LOL! I would really like for that to become common knowledge. It used to be (Parkinson's paintings showed brass dragons and baaz draconians with ram-shaped horns, the comics always had Brass dragons with ram-shaped horns, and now the DLCS has brass dragons with ram-shaped horns).
There we go...those are the 5. Debate away.
Originally posted by talinthas
The DLCS calls it the Hammer of Honor. Otherwise, agree with everything (but i never liked ram horns on dragons..)
That must be in Chapter 6 (Timeline), huh? Chapter 3 still called it the Hammer of Kharas.
The DLCS also says Gwyneth was an elf. So I had to double check to make sure who was mistaken about that.
Originally posted by Brimstone
The DLCS also says Gwyneth was an elf. So I had to double check to make sure who was mistaken about that.
When did the DLCS come out? It's not out here yet!!!!
I'm happy to hear your thoughts, and no we would never just ignore a fan
1) I see, and yes you are right the reds have always been more loyal to Takhisis, while the blues (such as Skie) have been always more loyal to their dragon Highlords. This is something I'll probably have to talk over with several of the authors to see what they say in response to this inquiry. Very good point though
2) Yes Gwyneth is a human, Huma describes her as a female/human cleric. But Silvara her sister assumes the shape of a Kagonesti.
3) Yes, I remember the hammer of Kharas, which was found by the heroes of the Lance and given to Hornfel, Thane of the Hylar dwarves who then gathered all the dwarven clans under his power. Was it the same hammer that was drawn in the air, glowing and hovering over Palin Majere in one of the Dragonlance books (can't recall which book though).
4) Yes that is the breath weapons that I'm aware of for the dragons. I do however have a question, what is the difference of the Blues and Bronze's lightning breath attack? Does the bronze only shoot out a single bolt of lightning like Bolt, and the blue instead of a single bolt a much more powerful blast?
5) Yes, I do remember seeing a picture of a brass dragon being chased by Verminaard and Ember and it did have ram horns. That is something that I will have to ask about and let you know.
Very good questions, Brimstone.
Hey, Talinthas good to hear from you again, the Hammer of Honor, a good name
For the horns, we'll see what some of the authors have to say so that we can stay true to the Brass dragons.In the Legend of Huma Gwyneth is not an elf, but a human, Brimstone, but I'll ask the authors and see what they say about her.
Thanks for all of the inputs
Originally posted by Brimstone
I don't know...I think it's important to go with the beard. I've always thought of him as beared (from the book). And the only painting we have of him shows Magius with a goatee (chin hair only...no moustache...not a van gough).
Actually Brim is referring to something called a Van****.
lol
*had to edit because for some reason it would not let me space it correctly
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Actually Brim is referring to something called a Van****.
lol
*had to edit because for some reason it would not let me space it correctly
Or spell it correctly either it seems.
Let's try this the cheap way.....will it work? I have no idea. here goes. Van D y k e
Originally posted by The_Khan
3) Yes, I remember the hammer of Kharas, which was found by the heroes of the Lance and given to Hornfel, Thane of the Hylar dwarves who then gathered all the dwarven clans under his power. Was it the same hammer that was drawn in the air, glowing and hovering over Palin Majere in one of the Dragonlance books (can't recall which book though).
No actually. The hammer over Palin's head on the cover of Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes is the hammer belonging to Dougan Redhammer a.k.a. Reorx. The Hammer of Kharas is a much more ornate piece. One end of the head is actually pointed, to give you a better idea of what it looks like. I really look forward to this comic, as I was not into DL when any of the other comic titles were available.
Originally posted by The_Khan
Hi Brimstone,
I'm happy to hear your thoughts, and no we would never just ignore a fan
1) I see, and yes you are right the reds have always been more loyal to Takhisis, while the blues (such as Skie) have been always more loyal to their dragon Highlords. This is something I'll probably have to talk over with several of the authors to see what they say in response to this inquiry. Very good point though
Oh, I wasn't think you'd ignore me...I was just thinking, if you were going to go strictly by what the novel said...the my points were invalid. But if you were trying to make a totally inclusive version of the story, then I think these issues have merit (or at least worth looking at).
As for the "Tiamat" form...the best place to look may be Dragons of Spring Dawning...it might say there how she is supposed to look. Personally...the pic at the bottom is how I always pictured her.
Originally posted by The_Khan
2) Yes Gwyneth is a human, Huma describes her as a female/human cleric. But Silvara her sister assumes the shape of a Kagonesti.
Good! I thought I was loosing it for a sec.
Originally posted by The_Khan
3) Yes, I remember the hammer of Kharas, which was found by the heroes of the Lance and given to Hornfel, Thane of the Hylar dwarves who then gathered all the dwarven clans under his power. Was it the same hammer that was drawn in the air, glowing and hovering over Palin Majere in one of the Dragonlance books (can't recall which book though).
Yeah...that'd be the one. LOL! However, it is also the hammer used to make the dragonlances during the 3rd Dragon War. It has been a while since I read Legend of Huma though...for some reason I thought Richard still called it (incorrectly...since it had yet to receive that name) the hammer of Kharas.
Hmm...I believe the hammer that Palin had to throw into the air was the real Hammer of Reorx (the object that the hammer of Kharas was inspired by). But that may not be quite right. Again...it's been several years since I read Wanna Bet? last.
Originally posted by The_Khan
Does the bronze only shoot out a single bolt of lightning like Bolt, and the blue instead of a single bolt a much more powerful blast?
Hmm...I don't know. I always thought of both the blue dragon and the bronze dragon as having the same breath weapon (excluding SAGA). Since they are both described as a "line of lightning," I'd say they are both just single bolts. I'd have to look at the MM to figure out which one's breath weapon is stronger though. I'd say, for all intents and purposes, though, they are the same strength. Of course with Bolt being a younger dragon...his breath weapon wouldn't be as powerful. But now we're getting into the realm of D&D rules vs. fiction...and that's usually not a good place to go.
Originally posted by The_Khan
5) Yes, I do remember seeing a picture of a brass dragon being chased by Verminaard and Ember and it did have ram horns. That is something that I will have to ask about and let you know.
Sweet!
But you know...that's just one fan's view on brass dragons. As I can see (ala Tal) it's definately not the only one.
Originally posted by The_Khan
In the Legend of Huma Gwyneth is not an elf, but a human, Brimstone, but I'll ask the authors and see what they say about her.
Oh no....definately don't ask. Gwyneth should be human. I was just pointing out that the DLCS Timeline made a boo boo by calling her an elf.
Thanks for the responses, Ernst!
Here's the pic I was talking about (for anyone who hasn't seen it)
Dragons of Triumph
(EDIT: changed Image to a Link)
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Or spell it correctly either it seems.
Let's try this the cheap way.....will it work? I have no idea. here goes. Van D y k e
LOL!
You knew what I meant. :P
Originally posted by Tenken
When did the DLCS come out? It's not out here yet!!!!
It hasn't yet. I had a friend pick it up at GenCon for me. :D
Yes that's it Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes. I read that many years ago. I remember Dougan as well, brings back a lot of good memories
I'm really happy to hear that you are looking forward to the comic book, and we will give you an EXCELLENT comic book to read Definitely, I sent an e-mail in regards to some of the questions and as soon as I get a reply I'll let you know
Yes, I remember that picture, a very nice one of Laurana and Takhisis. Hey Brimstone do you remember who drew it again.
Okay, thanks for reminding me about the hammer drawn above Palin
Oh anytime, Brimstone. If you ever have anything other questions, and comments please feel free to bring them to this thread.
Again that is an AWESOME pic
Originally posted by The_Khan
Yes, I remember that picture, a very nice one of Laurana and Takhisis. Hey Brimstone do you remember who drew it again.
Clyde Caldwell.
I appreciate that, by the way did Clyde Caldwell did any other famous pictures for Dragonlance. I'm mostly familiar with Larry Elmore and Jeff Eisley.~Khrystyne
Originally posted by The_Khan
Thanks a lot Kai Lord, talk about quick service
Hi Ernst,
You'll remember Clyde's work if you think of the cover to DL1 Dragons of Despair, the first Dragonlance module. It has Onyx rearing back like a black cobra facing Goldmoon, Tanis and Flint in the ruins of Xak Tsaroth. Clyde also did some of the work in the Dragonlance calendars - there's one of Crysania, Raistlin, and Tasslehoff as a kind of montage of Istar, and several others. He liked painting beautiful women, as well as amulets and gemstones that were large and oval rather than faceted. The cover of I6 Ravenloft is by him, with Strahd looking out from his balcony in Castle Ravenloft.
One of my favourites in the old days.
Cheers,
Cam
~Khrystyne
I am going to have to definitely check out his artwork. Thanks alot, Cam Banks.
-Mike
~Khrystyne
Originally posted by The_Khan
Thanks a lot Kai Lord, talk about quick service
He also did another one of my favorites, the cover of Dragons of Dreams...that great picture of Lorac and Cyan.
His website is (appropriately) www.clydecaldwell.com. But it hasn't been working the past couple days so...who knows when it will be up again.
By the way...Oswal looks great! That close up on the face...wow. Those eyes really capture alot, I think.
I'm happy to see that everyone so far likes Oswal
Originally posted by The_Khan
Here is a question that I have. Maybe someone might be able to clear this up for me. What is the difference between a sea nymph, like Buoron's friend that came out of the water and asked Huma to come with her under the lake and a sea elf like Apoletta, the wife of the red mage Zebulah?
A nymph is a blindingly beautiful fey creature, and a sea elf is an elf...that lives under the sea. Umm...yeah.
How are you doing? My friend. It's always a pleasure to hear from you
I see, so the sea elves I'm assuming descended from elves, who must have migrated to the sea. But for the nymphs, what are they descended from? What are their stories in the Dragonlance history? If Buoron's elf came out of her lake would she lose her powers? She seemed to have a lot of power, so much that she was easily able to put both Kaz and Magius to sleep.
Originally posted by The_Khan
If Buoron's elf came out of her lake would she lose her powers? She seemed to have a lot of power, so much that she was easily able to put both Kaz and Magius to sleep.
Buoron's friend was a nymph. Not elf. Like was said.
Dryads are the ones who need stay close to their home to retain their power. Nymphs keep their powers always.
Thanks for answering, I really appreciate that, so they do retain their power when they come out of the water, but what are their history? Who are they descended from?
Originally posted by The_Khan
so the sea elves I'm assuming descended from elves, who must have migrated to the sea.
Unless I'm mistaken (which is quite possible) sea elves were created by the Greygem along with other races like kender and dwarves. I believe it was elves that lived along the coast of Qualinesti or Silvanesti that were transformed. Sea elves have light blue skin (for Dimernesti - live in relatively shallow waters) or dark blue (for Darganesti - live in the deep sea reaches.)
But for the nymphs, what are they descended from? What are their stories in the Dragonlance history? If Buoron's elf came out of her lake would she lose her powers? She seemed to have a lot of power, so much that she was easily able to put both Kaz and Magius to sleep.
I believe nymphs are more of a force of nature than decended from any particular creature.
So it's sort of a mystery as to how the nymph came to be, right? Who would win in a fight, Buoron's nymph or Apoletta, the sea elf?
Originally posted by The_Khan
Who would win in a fight, Buoron's nymph or Apoletta, the sea elf?
Neither. They would just make Buoron and Zebulah fight for them (of course not accounting for the fact that they are 1400 years apart).
Originally posted by The_Khan
So it's sort of a mystery as to how the nymph came to be, right?
Well...not really.
Nymphs are fey creatures. Those include other creatures like centaurs, satyrs, faeries, dryads, huldrefolk, etc. They are almost like nature in mortal form...so to speak.
According to a majority of DL sources, the fey races were creations of the High God. Unfortunately, it also said the High God was the creator of all the animals...so I always saw him as creating the animals...then creating their protectors, the fey races. Now, I say "unfortunately" because according to the DLCS, all the animals were created by Habbakuk...so it blows my theory out of the water. LOL!
Anyway...I'd picture a nymph as a very lithe young woman. I don't know, I always see them as eternally youthful. I first read Legend of Huma at the age of 14. It was also my first experience with a nymph (uh...yeah...). Anyway...perhaps because of this...I have always pictured nymphs as being very beautiful tiny girls...like around 14 or so.
I'm not sure how well this fits...it seems that dryads are definately young in appearance like that...but I don't know for sure if nymphs seem older...or if they are similar.
Anyway...hope that helps.
Taken from the preview:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20030712a
Aye carumba! Yep...that looks pretty good...
You might get the look right if you went with the Grecian or Assyrian-style beards, bronze-like plate armor, and so forth. It's hard to describe it, really. I think a lot of us have a specific image in our heads when we think of Ergoth. For myself, I always had them look very much Babylonian-meets-King-Arthur. Sir Palomides of the Arthurian legends, who was apparently a Moor as well as a knight of Arthur's court, would fit the description perfectly.
Maquesta kar-Thon's people, the seafaring Ergothians in the Age of Despair/War of the Lance period, are almost universally dark-skinned and full of life. That's something else to consider.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by The_Khan
Thanks, Jonesy and Brimstone, your informations on Nymphs have been very valuable. Greatly appreciated, my friends. One question that I did have is about Ergoth at the time of Huma. Does anyone know what empire that they resembled? What kind of armor that they wore? What was their militaries like? In Legend of Huma I got the impression that they were primarily calvary, please correct me if I'm mistaken. What skin color are the Ergothians? From Maquesta, the ship captain in Chronicles I always got the impression that they were of a darker hue, or am I mistaken?
Well...that is actually the Ergothians from the more northern regions were the darker skinned marriners Maquesta was. At least in the 4th Age. They've always been a sea faring group of humans though...so I'd say in the 2nd Age (the time of Huma's life) they must be living along the coast...most likely north eastern coast. I think that Ergoth on the whole, however, was a good mix between the two. But the darker skinned ones you are thinking of...I'd say they were definately more along the coastal regions than anywhere else.
I would suspect that the Ergothians and the Solamnias are very similar in racial qualities and style. Since, by the time of the 3rd Dragon War, Solamnia has only been seperate from Ergoth for about...oh...800 years.
Okay, my bad. With 800 years seperating them, they could be completely different.Really, we don't have much insight into Ergoth or Solamnia during that time period other than that book (and Kaz, the Minotaur). So...I think as far as their weaponry, style and such...I'm going to have to abdicate the answering of that to someone else.