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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 05, 2003 2:50:26 I know that Chainmail mins game was suppose to he set in the far reaches of GH, but I didn't get it, cause I don't like min games. Was there any useful setting info in any of the books? Would any one know. thanks
#2
zombiegleemax
Aug 05, 2003 23:43:22 Some of the Dragon Magazine articles about the setting sounded interesting, and provided a decent amount of information.

If I find the issues, I'll post them here so you can check them out.

I don't know about the books though.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 06, 2003 0:00:33 If you or anyone else else knows the numbers of those Dragon issues that would be great

thanks
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 06, 2003 0:11:35 I have them in a box (moving right now) so I sadly won't be able to check for a week.

However, I am almost certain the issues were around the same time as the 3E conversion. That might give you a little to go on for now.

As soon as I can, I'll post the issue numbers for you.
#5
Halberkill
Aug 06, 2003 13:12:26 IMHO I think there are a few interesting tidbits, such as Hextor and Heroneous having a lost twin brother, the neutral Stratis, and that Stern Alia is the mother of all of them. Beyond that there is not much you can get campaign use out of.

Halber
#6
zombiegleemax
Aug 06, 2003 15:19:42 I'm looking for any info, so I have a starting point to build from. I tracked down some info on the Drow of Chainmail (exile family from the Vault - kind of cool).

"IMHO I think there are a few interesting tidbits, such as Hextor and Heroneous having a lost twin brother, the neutral Stratis, and that Stern Alia is the mother of all of them. Beyond that there is not much you can get campaign use out of."

Stern Alia? where is that referance? the Lost twin of which one? can't really be the twin of them both

I found some background on the God War, the Demon Wars, and some infor on the Free cities,

could really use a map of the region if they made one- does anyone know?
#7
Halberkill
Aug 06, 2003 17:17:37
Originally posted by Bayushi Tai
Stern Alia? where is that referance? the Lost twin of which one? can't really be the twin of them both

The pdf only file that they released through SVGames, and which may be no longer offered, had this information. Yes Hextor, Hieroneous and Stratis are triplets. Stern Alia is the golden face goddess image you see on some Thalos minis.

Originally posted by Bayushi Tai

could really use a map of the region if they made one- does anyone know?

The previously mentioned pdf file also had a very not so detailed map in it. Just the country names and their borders, no cities, rivers or roads. Also some of the shoreline has been changed from the Dragon Annual map, but not immediately noticable.

On edit: found link to file: http://store.yahoo.com/svgames-store/880000000esd.html

It says it is will no longer be available on 7/31/03, but it appears you can still order it.

Halber
#8
zombiegleemax
Aug 06, 2003 17:46:57 Got the PDF

There is a map some conversions notes and some other useful info

Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them?

One other quick thing

Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this?
#9
Halberkill
Aug 07, 2003 12:32:34
Originally posted by Bayushi Tai
Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them?

One other quick thing

Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this?

Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon".

The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers.
I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of.
#10
zombiegleemax
Aug 07, 2003 13:23:26 "Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon"."

There does seem oto be a great lack of detail, That is why I trying to find all the info I can, so that I have at least a starting point, I plan on building out from there. The little bit of info I have found makes me think it could be a great addition to GH and I would like to see more of it. Since no one else seems to be doing anything with it I decieded to do it myself.

"The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers.I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of."

thanks - just want to make sure that I've not missed any or the few Referances that there are.

As far as I can tell Stern Alia must have been the Mother of all 3, this them having different fathers. Besides Nerull do they mention any other Gods anywhere?

I did see some mention of a dragon kingdom? "Dragon's Flight" that didn't ever see the light of day- do you know if the info every got released on the web?

Here are some of my general thoughts - so please feel free to comment

Stern Alia - is/was the counter point to Rao (look at her Symbol?) and she is a Greater God,

The Thalos, are related to the Oeridians What ever cause the great migration east also cause one to the West

The Baklien are related to the Baklunish and as such there Gods would have been the original Baklunish Gods (such as Istus)

Well, justa few of my ideas.
#11
zombiegleemax
Aug 12, 2003 11:32:37 Hey, neat thread.

Where was Stern Alia called a Greater God(dess)? IIRC, Chris Pramas riffed off Erik Mona's decision to make Stern Alia (originally indicated in C1 Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan) her own goddess. Previously fans had linked Stern Alia to the Flan god Allitur.

If Stern Alia is a greater goddess, then she may be the sometimes speculated-upon Oeridian mother goddess, one-time called Oeridia. Tales of Oeridia's death may have been incorrect; alternately, Oeridia may be Stern Alia's mother...

In an old set of posts in the GH folder on AOL, a fan developed the religion of Velnius, Oeridian god-father to the seasonal gods of the winds. Worship of Velnius seems substantially older than that of many other gods -- excepting perhaps Procan. Velnius makes a good candidate for the father of Stratis, im imagination. The sire of Heironeous may have been Al'Akbar; that of Hextor may have been Asmodeus himself...

One detail I enjoyed of Chris Pramas's Dragon articles was that all of the Oeridian gods of war used less technologically sophisticated weapons: spear of Stratis, morningstar of Hextor, battle-axe of Heironeous. Although devotees of these gods may also use various swords, to me these older weapons suggest that the Oeridian war gods were worshipped in ancient times, when the Oeridians were but nomad tribes...
#12
chatdemon
Aug 13, 2003 1:52:53 One of my articles on canonfire has a nice, IMHO, conversion of stratis into the "core" greyhawk pantheon, also tying in the god Gorm, from the old Lost City module for D&D Basic.

If you want to check it out:
http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=114
#13
thanael
Nov 13, 2005 6:23:13
Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them?

One other quick thing

Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this?

Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon".

The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers.
I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of.

So did anyone ever consider summarizing that flavor from the Chainmail books? If not could you please note which chainmail books contain that (the most useful) flavor? So that I can look for them...

The only one i have is the Chainmail Set 2 Blood & Darkness Booklet which has a lot of interesting stuff about Stratis and a Gith empire in Western Oerik.
#14
ripvanwormer
Nov 13, 2005 10:59:28 This thread on Canonfire! needs to be linked to.
#15
kwint_pendick
Nov 13, 2005 14:32:03
This thread on Canonfire! needs to be linked to.

Hey Rip,
Your link just leads to the Main Forums page, not to any particular thread...As I'm not sure which thread you intended to link to, I've opted just to let you know the link doesn't lead to where I think you intended it to...
Kwint
#16
Mortepierre
Nov 14, 2005 2:48:42 No, it does lead to a specific thread but, alas, the stupid WotC boards mess up with such link every single time. You have to copy/paste the link manually to your browser for it to work.
#17
thanael
Nov 14, 2005 4:25:39 Copy paste the link:
http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1630&start=25
#18
zombiegleemax
Nov 14, 2005 7:04:07 In brief, there's a couple of threads over on Canonfire specualting on the fathers of the three Oerid gods of war and also on the original homeland of the Oeridians, which we tentantively place in the region known as Orcreich in the Dragon Annual 1 map of Oerik (just west of the mountains at the western end of the Bakluni basin). They dispersed from there probably east and west, with the eastern branch settling in Ull for a time before migrating into the Flanaess.

We also discussed that the Bakluni might have their original homeland in the Low and High Khanates from the DA1 map, for reasons discussed in the thread. Tying in with thathese Baklien might be Bakluni who migrated west rather than east (or the peoples of the Khanates might be the Baklien). I don't know enough about Chainmail to speculate further.

P.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 05, 2003 2:50:26	I know that Chainmail mins game was suppose to he set in the far reaches of GH, but I didn't get it, cause I don't like min games. Was there any useful setting info in any of the books? Would any one know. thanks
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 05, 2003 23:43:22	Some of the Dragon Magazine articles about the setting sounded interesting, and provided a decent amount of information. If I find the issues, I'll post them here so you can check them out. I don't know about the books though.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 06, 2003 0:00:33	If you or anyone else else knows the numbers of those Dragon issues that would be great thanks
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 06, 2003 0:11:35	I have them in a box (moving right now) so I sadly won't be able to check for a week. However, I am almost certain the issues were around the same time as the 3E conversion. That might give you a little to go on for now. As soon as I can, I'll post the issue numbers for you.
#5 Halberkill Aug 06, 2003 13:12:26	IMHO I think there are a few interesting tidbits, such as Hextor and Heroneous having a lost twin brother, the neutral Stratis, and that Stern Alia is the mother of all of them. Beyond that there is not much you can get campaign use out of. Halber
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 06, 2003 15:19:42	I'm looking for any info, so I have a starting point to build from. I tracked down some info on the Drow of Chainmail (exile family from the Vault - kind of cool). "IMHO I think there are a few interesting tidbits, such as Hextor and Heroneous having a lost twin brother, the neutral Stratis, and that Stern Alia is the mother of all of them. Beyond that there is not much you can get campaign use out of." Stern Alia? where is that referance? the Lost twin of which one? can't really be the twin of them both I found some background on the God War, the Demon Wars, and some infor on the Free cities, could really use a map of the region if they made one- does anyone know?
#7 Halberkill Aug 06, 2003 17:17:37	Originally posted by Bayushi Tai Stern Alia? where is that referance? the Lost twin of which one? can't really be the twin of them both The pdf only file that they released through SVGames, and which may be no longer offered, had this information. Yes Hextor, Hieroneous and Stratis are triplets. Stern Alia is the golden face goddess image you see on some Thalos minis. Originally posted by Bayushi Tai could really use a map of the region if they made one- does anyone know? The previously mentioned pdf file also had a very not so detailed map in it. Just the country names and their borders, no cities, rivers or roads. Also some of the shoreline has been changed from the Dragon Annual map, but not immediately noticable. On edit: found link to file: http://store.yahoo.com/svgames-store/880000000esd.html It says it is will no longer be available on 7/31/03, but it appears you can still order it. Halber
#8 zombiegleemax Aug 06, 2003 17:46:57	Got the PDF There is a map some conversions notes and some other useful info Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them? One other quick thing Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this?
#9 Halberkill Aug 07, 2003 12:32:34	Originally posted by Bayushi Tai Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them? One other quick thing Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this? Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon". The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers. I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of.
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 07, 2003 13:23:26	"Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon"." There does seem oto be a great lack of detail, That is why I trying to find all the info I can, so that I have at least a starting point, I plan on building out from there. The little bit of info I have found makes me think it could be a great addition to GH and I would like to see more of it. Since no one else seems to be doing anything with it I decieded to do it myself. "The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers.I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of." thanks - just want to make sure that I've not missed any or the few Referances that there are. As far as I can tell Stern Alia must have been the Mother of all 3, this them having different fathers. Besides Nerull do they mention any other Gods anywhere? I did see some mention of a dragon kingdom? "Dragon's Flight" that didn't ever see the light of day- do you know if the info every got released on the web? Here are some of my general thoughts - so please feel free to comment Stern Alia - is/was the counter point to Rao (look at her Symbol?) and she is a Greater God, The Thalos, are related to the Oeridians What ever cause the great migration east also cause one to the West The Baklien are related to the Baklunish and as such there Gods would have been the original Baklunish Gods (such as Istus) Well, justa few of my ideas.
#11 zombiegleemax Aug 12, 2003 11:32:37	Hey, neat thread. Where was Stern Alia called a Greater God(dess)? IIRC, Chris Pramas riffed off Erik Mona's decision to make Stern Alia (originally indicated in C1 Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan) her own goddess. Previously fans had linked Stern Alia to the Flan god Allitur. If Stern Alia is a greater goddess, then she may be the sometimes speculated-upon Oeridian mother goddess, one-time called Oeridia. Tales of Oeridia's death may have been incorrect; alternately, Oeridia may be Stern Alia's mother... In an old set of posts in the GH folder on AOL, a fan developed the religion of Velnius, Oeridian god-father to the seasonal gods of the winds. Worship of Velnius seems substantially older than that of many other gods -- excepting perhaps Procan. Velnius makes a good candidate for the father of Stratis, im imagination. The sire of Heironeous may have been Al'Akbar; that of Hextor may have been Asmodeus himself... One detail I enjoyed of Chris Pramas's Dragon articles was that all of the Oeridian gods of war used less technologically sophisticated weapons: spear of Stratis, morningstar of Hextor, battle-axe of Heironeous. Although devotees of these gods may also use various swords, to me these older weapons suggest that the Oeridian war gods were worshipped in ancient times, when the Oeridians were but nomad tribes...
#12 chatdemon Aug 13, 2003 1:52:53	One of my articles on canonfire has a nice, IMHO, conversion of stratis into the "core" greyhawk pantheon, also tying in the god Gorm, from the old Lost City module for D&D Basic. If you want to check it out: http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=114
#13 thanael Nov 13, 2005 6:23:13	Got another question, Do you know is the Guide books or the Ghostwind have any useful history/background info in them? One other quick thing Hextor and Heroneious are only half brothers So how does Stratis fit into this? Yes they have some flavor text and events for the Chainmail side of the oerth, but I'm not sure if it isn't covered to a greater extent in the Dragon articles. Unfortunately chainmail's world was horribly underdeveloped. I wonder if it will ever be included in "Greyhawk Canon". The PDF states that Stratis is Stern Alia's son, so either Stern Alia is the mother of all of them and they each have different father dieties, or they all have the same father and different mothers. I don't recall anything that states who Hextor and Heironeous are offspring of. So did anyone ever consider summarizing that flavor from the Chainmail books? If not could you please note which chainmail books contain that (the most useful) flavor? So that I can look for them... The only one i have is the Chainmail Set 2 Blood & Darkness Booklet which has a lot of interesting stuff about Stratis and a Gith empire in Western Oerik.
#14 ripvanwormer Nov 13, 2005 10:59:28	This thread on Canonfire! needs to be linked to.
#15 kwint_pendick Nov 13, 2005 14:32:03	This thread on Canonfire! needs to be linked to. Hey Rip, Your link just leads to the Main Forums page, not to any particular thread...As I'm not sure which thread you intended to link to, I've opted just to let you know the link doesn't lead to where I think you intended it to... Kwint
#16 Mortepierre Nov 14, 2005 2:48:42	No, it does lead to a specific thread but, alas, the stupid WotC boards mess up with such link every single time. You have to copy/paste the link manually to your browser for it to work.
#17 thanael Nov 14, 2005 4:25:39	Copy paste the link: http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1630&start=25
#18 zombiegleemax Nov 14, 2005 7:04:07	In brief, there's a couple of threads over on Canonfire specualting on the fathers of the three Oerid gods of war and also on the original homeland of the Oeridians, which we tentantively place in the region known as Orcreich in the Dragon Annual 1 map of Oerik (just west of the mountains at the western end of the Bakluni basin). They dispersed from there probably east and west, with the eastern branch settling in Ull for a time before migrating into the Flanaess. We also discussed that the Bakluni might have their original homeland in the Low and High Khanates from the DA1 map, for reasons discussed in the thread. Tying in with thathese Baklien might be Bakluni who migrated west rather than east (or the peoples of the Khanates might be the Baklien). I don't know enough about Chainmail to speculate further. P.