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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 07, 2003 0:47:25	I saw the post about Malys. Anyone want to post those stats for the other four Overlords?
#2 talinthas Aug 07, 2003 0:53:31	no, actually i dont. but if you were to go to www.gametrademagazine.com then you'd be able to see em for yourself =) edit- and of course, they prove me wrong by not having them there. needless to say, three of the overlords are in AoM, Beryl is in the DLCS, and gellidus is missing. THis month's game trade has the three from AoM as stat blocks. they are really long though. what exactly do you want to know?
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 07, 2003 0:58:20	CR and HP my friend.
#4 talinthas Aug 07, 2003 2:05:50	skie- cr 35, hp 1109 malys- cr 39, hp 1504 sable- cr 26, hp 654 beryl- cr 26, hp 893 What else do you want to know, now that i have it all out? =)
#5 ferratus Aug 07, 2003 16:17:29	I'm glad the dragon overlords can be beaten by a 20th level party these days. With great difficulty, but it can still be done. In fact, a Great Wyrm Gold should have a good chance at it. Dragon Overlords are no longer able to do what they please, and have to actually use their brains. Thus, they'll be more interesting villains.
#6 talinthas Aug 07, 2003 18:48:59	actually, these guys are pretty brutal, if you looked at everything else. they have a DR of something like 30/epic, which means you need a +6 weapon to even damage them...
#7 ferratus Aug 07, 2003 22:20:10	Originally posted by talinthas actually, these guys are pretty brutal, if you looked at everything else. they have a DR of something like 30/epic, which means you need a +6 weapon to even damage them... Don't worry, a 20th level party generally has access to those. ;)
#8 iltharanos Aug 08, 2003 1:59:54	I'd expect that 20th level party to get the stuffing beaten out of them. After all, any self-respecting dragon overlord has countless dragonspawn, lesser dragons, magical and mundane traps, and so on to surround itself with.
#9 derren_s. Aug 08, 2003 4:02:19	Originally posted by ferratus Don't worry, a 20th level party generally has access to those. ;) Technically, epic begins at level 21. A 20th level party has no acces to +6 weapons.
#10 brimstone Aug 08, 2003 11:14:41	Hmm...you know, that would be my one complaint about the Age of Mortals book. While it doesn't necessarily effect me directly (becasue I have all the info I need from the SAGA stuff) doesn't it seem strange that the book for the 5th Age barely mentions the Dragon Overlords and Dragonlords? And it only gives stats for 3 of them....wait, no...4 (it gives Brine's stats, too...if I recall). I thought for sure we'd get the stats on all 5 Overlords and the stats for the other 7 Dragonlords. But...unless I missed it somewhere...there's scaresly a mention. But, I haven't read the whole thing yet, and without an index, it's quite possible I just missed them. Did anyone else see any mention of like...Freeze and Cryo? Or Pryo? Or Thunder and Splendor? Or Morhlex? (I always found him to be quite interesting...a black dragon with a sense of humor...I liked that) Maybe we'll get a book on Dragonlance Dragons someday...then maybe they'd be in there. :D
#11 zombiegleemax Aug 08, 2003 22:18:14	Hiya, I been to gametrademags and i found nothing about the dragonoverlord of Krynn...either i'm totally blind or i didn't click at the right place....so if someone could give me the url of the wereabout of these magnificent dragons...well mostly Skie, praise you Storm Over Krynn. errr...hmmmm...sorry I have to admit though that knowing that none of them were truly born on Ansalon...well except maybe one...Cyan i think...but correct me if i'm wrong here. Well i have to admit i was quite blowned away... So see ya people and may you walk in Mishakal light eternally :D
#12 zombiegleemax Aug 09, 2003 2:28:16	The latest Dragon Magazine has the FULL stats on the 3 maybe 4 of the Overloads. WOW...look at that breath weapon. Soth
#13 jonesy Aug 09, 2003 3:36:26	I have to admit though that knowing that none of them were truly born on Ansalon...well except maybe one...Cyan i think...but correct me if i'm wrong here. Well i have to admit i was quite blowned away... Cyan is a Krynn born dragon, but he was not a dragon overlord.
#14 iltharanos Aug 10, 2003 1:30:40	Originally posted by Soth The latest Dragon Magazine has the FULL stats on the 3 maybe 4 of the Overloads. WOW...look at that breath weapon. Soth I just think it's funny that Elminster has the same challenge rating as Malys (a 39). Notwithstanding my Dragonlance bias, I'll go with the 400 ft. + red dragon as the tougher fight for an army of heroes.
#15 ferratus Aug 10, 2003 3:01:23	Originally posted by Derren S. Technically, epic begins at level 21. A 20th level party has no acces to +6 weapons. No, they can pretty much afford it. Look in the back of your DMG. The cost for weapons goes up to +10. Thus, as a DM, if you want them to fight the dragon overlords, you can include a +6 weapon as part of the treasure they would normally receive. High level spellcasters could also craft such weapons. If you're a DM who likes the diablo-esque way of doing things, you can even let a high level party buy them.
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 10, 2003 6:01:45	Originally posted by talinthas skie- cr 35, hp 1109 malys- cr 39, hp 1504 sable- cr 26, hp 654 beryl- cr 26, hp 893 What else do you want to know, now that i have it all out? =) Originally posted by ferratus I'm glad the dragon overlords can be beaten by a 20th level party these days. With great difficulty, but it can still be done. In fact, a Great Wyrm Gold should have a good chance at it. Dragon Overlords are no longer able to do what they please, and have to actually use their brains. Thus, they'll be more interesting villains. 20th lvl party taking on a CR35 dragon LOL or even a CR 26 creature unless there are 10 PCs Originally posted by talinthas actually, these guys are pretty brutal, if you looked at everything else. they have a DR of something like 30/epic, which means you need a +6 weapon to even damage them... U cant make +6 till 21st lvl ? Originally posted by ferratus Don't worry, a 20th level party generally has access to those. ;) No they dont :P Originally posted by ferratus No, they can pretty much afford it. Look in the back of your DMG. The cost for weapons goes up to +10. Thus, as a DM, if you want them to fight the dragon overlords, you can include a +6 weapon as part of the treasure they would normally receive. High level spellcasters could also craft such weapons. If you're a DM who likes the diablo-esque way of doing things, you can even let a high level party buy them. U will be very lucky to find a epic weapon in a normal treasure since they are worth 600,000 gold that is 3 +10(+5/+5) weapons and at 20th lvl there is no way someone could even afford a +6 epic weapon
#17 cam_banks Aug 10, 2003 8:25:00	A great wyrm red or gold dragon would have a much better chance against the Overlords, yes. However, the Overlords have epic damage reduction - their DR 30/epic makes it hard for even a great wyrm gold to land damaging blows. They'd use breath weapon effectively, though, and spellcasting, but there's a reason these dragons are Overlords - they're epic dragons. Cheers, Cam
#18 banshee Aug 11, 2003 1:14:47	Originally posted by ferratus No, they can pretty much afford it. Look in the back of your DMG. The cost for weapons goes up to +10. Thus, as a DM, if you want them to fight the dragon overlords, you can include a +6 weapon as part of the treasure they would normally receive. High level spellcasters could also craft such weapons. If you're a DM who likes the diablo-esque way of doing things, you can even let a high level party buy them. I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure that the +10 chart was there for both 3.0 and 3.5. However, that doesn't mean that characters can make +6 or higher weapons before level 21. You're still limited to +5 enhancement bonus....and then 5 points of other abilities (ie. holy, frost, etc.). Banshee
#19 cam_banks Aug 11, 2003 7:41:33	Originally posted by Banshee I don't believe that's correct. I'm pretty sure that the +10 chart was there for both 3.0 and 3.5. However, that doesn't mean that characters can make +6 or higher weapons before level 21. You're still limited to +5 enhancement bonus....and then 5 points of other abilities (ie. holy, frost, etc.). This is true. The range from +6 to +10 is to cover weapon qualities rather than enhancement bonuses. Because you need the +6 bonus for the weapon to qualify as epic, even a +5 keen holy flaming sword isn't going to cut it. Cheers, Cam
#20 ferratus Aug 12, 2003 2:37:13	Well, good thing there are 5 levels of epic levels in the 3.5 player's handbook. My point still stands that they are now able to be beaten by PC's and are not untouchable and unstoppable. Since they are not untouchable, they actually have to think now. Besides, Mina killed Malystryx as a 20th level character. ;)
#21 brimstone Aug 12, 2003 10:03:09	Originally posted by ferratus Besides, Mina killed Malystryx as a 20th level character. ;) With a Dragonlance on the back of a who-knows-how-many-hit-die dragon. :D
#22 carteeg Aug 12, 2003 15:37:12	So non-epic characters have access to epic level temporary familiars!
#23 zombiegleemax Aug 13, 2003 16:42:27	Just so you guys know, the Minor Overlords were originally in the manuscript, but were cut for space reasons. Gellidus will be seen in upcoming product, so you won't have long to wait! Those who want to see Pitch, Fume, and their contemporaries should check out upcoming issues of GAMES UNPLUGGED. They will all be detailed in that magazine, which has exclusive Dragonlance game content every month. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#24 brimstone Aug 14, 2003 13:20:12	Originally posted by jechambers Those who want to see Pitch, Fume, and their contemporaries should check out upcoming issues of GAMES UNPLUGGED. They will all be detailed in that magazine, which has exclusive Dragonlance game content every month. AH! Damn them and their butchering cleavers! WotC editors, that is. ;) Anyway...so...how do we get our hands on a Games Unplugged magazine? I've never even seen one before? How about a subscription?
#25 talinthas Aug 14, 2003 13:20:42	words right out of my mouth, tobin =)
#26 zombiegleemax Aug 14, 2003 14:24:52	Originally posted by Brimstone AH! Damn them and their butchering cleavers! WotC editors, that is. ;) Anyway...so...how do we get our hands on a Games Unplugged magazine? I've never even seen one before? How about a subscription? Can't blame this one on the WotC editors, this was my cut, made purely for space reasons. The book was running long, so the lesser dragons had to go! (Otherwise we'd have to cut things like sea dragon stats or Dragon Overlord Skull Totem rules, etc.) Games Unplugged is the magazine that will feature EXCLUSIVE new Dragonlance content every month! Edited by my good friend Sean Everette and published by our friends at Fast Forward Entertainment. Visit the Games Unplugged Website to get information on the magazine, where to purchase it, how to order copies, or even how to subscribe! The most recent issue features a Dragonlance cover and has a sample chapter from Rich Knaak's new minotaur novel, Night of Blood. Enjoy! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#27 daedavias_dup Aug 14, 2003 14:53:53	*crosses fingers* Jamie, please tell me Gellidius is in one of the adventures? The choice you had to make was a good one(what you said would have been cut instead is bad) so no one can fault you for that. Keep up the good work! (offtopic)...how long does it take for the DLCS and AoM to ship from MW's website normally?
#28 zombiegleemax Aug 14, 2003 15:02:41	I will go as far as to say that Frost is DEFINITELY in an upcoming product from Sovereign Press. Don't want to spoil everything yet. He was left out for a reason--even though the rules we provide make it easy to re-create him if a DM wants him to smash an adventuring party right now! For books in-stock, MargaretWeis.com usually ships within 2-3 business days and use USPS Priority Mail for domestic shipments and USPS Global Priority for International. Domestic shipments are tracked using USPS Delivery Confirmation. Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc. Originally posted by Daedavias *crosses fingers* Jamie, please tell me Gellidius is in one of the adventures? The choice you had to make was a good one(what you said would have been cut instead is bad) so no one can fault you for that. Keep up the good work! (offtopic)...how long does it take for the DLCS and AoM to ship from MW's website normally?
#29 brimstone Aug 14, 2003 15:57:04	Originally posted by jechambers Can't blame this one on the WotC editors, this was my cut, made purely for space reasons. The book was running long, so the lesser dragons had to go! (Otherwise we'd have to cut things like sea dragon stats or Dragon Overlord Skull Totem rules, etc.) Oh, my mistake, I misunderstood. I thought you meant the Dragonlords were supposed to be in the DLCS, not the AoM. I guess I can ammend my comment to saying "Damn the butchering cleavers of editors" in general. LOL! Originally posted by jechambers Games Unplugged is the magazine that will feature EXCLUSIVE new Dragonlance content every month! Edited by my good friend Sean Everette and published by our friends at Fast Forward Entertainment. Visit the Games Unplugged Website to get information on the magazine, where to purchase it, how to order copies, or even how to subscribe! Thanks Jamie! I went there...unfortunately, PayPal and I don't get along...so I guess I'm going to have to phone in my subscription.
#30 talinthas Aug 14, 2003 21:23:45	speaking of totems, that feat is awfully unclear. just how many skulls does it take to go to the next level? which skulls can you get more of to balance the lack?