In the old Dragonlance setting Wizards of High Sorcery were each limited to certain schools of magic (only black robes could cast necromancy spells for instance). Is this still the case and, if so, what schools can each cast? Thanks again.
I think it goes as the following:
White Robe: Divination or Abjuration
Red Robe: Illusion or Transmutation
Black Robe: Enchantment or Necromancy
I am not 100% sure on everything, except the white robe(I am going to be a diviner without Necromancy or Illusion)
Dalamar is listed as a non-specialist Wizard in Age of Mortals.
Best wishes, Kevin
or what?
Originally posted by Voiceman
Then everybody who changes robes would have to be non-specialist wizards, ie. Raistlin, magius etc.
or what?
If you change robes, your specialty school also changes, and you pick new opposition schools.
If I'm a Black Robe necromancer and have a change of heart and become a Red Robe, I could change my specialist school to Illusion and pick two new opposition schools.
Cheers,
Cam
So when I first saw that the WoHS had to be specialists (akin to their 2e days) I was a little disheartened. But, after the AoM fix of not having to be a specialist (and not having to specialize in two schools, with a super specialization in one or whatever it was...which by the way, shut down like half the other schools to that wizard :bored
...anyway...I was happy to see that one doesn't have to be a specialist any more. Originally posted by Brimstone
I've always hated the idea of being a Specialist. It seems so restricting, and, to me, it seems like you loose alot more than you gain.
Unlike having a choice between one or three schools, you mean?
D&D specialists aren't as limited as you think. Especially not in 3.5.Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Unlike having a choice between one or three schools, you mean?
Did the rules change...is it just one for one now?
Originally posted by Brimstone
Did the rules change...is it just one for one now?
Nope. You pick two, neither of which can be Divination. If you pick Divination as your specialist school, you only pick one opposition school.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Nope. You pick two, neither of which can be Divination. If you pick Divination as your specialist school, you only pick one opposition school.
Okay...that makes sense then. Cause the example they used in the DLCS...didn't match what I had in the PHB. I get it now.
But still...it seems pretty useless to me.
Oh, and by the way, speaking of useless, you know what the free download of the "3.5 Rules Update" from Wizards of the Coast says? It says, "Wizards: School Specialization has changed. Several Familiar Bonuses have changed."
In fact, almost all the "updates" for the classes are just as useless as that one.
So much for not having to buy $90 worth of books...I'd say again...but it was only $60 first time around.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Oh, and by the way, speaking of useless, you know what the free download of the "3.5 Rules Update" from Wizards of the Coast says? It says, "Wizards: School Specialization has changed. Several Familiar Bonuses have changed."
In fact, almost all the "updates" for the classes are just as useless as that one.
Tobin--what you've downloaded is a guide for people who want to convert over information from other products, but it also highlights the changes in the Core Books for those who want to skim over them.
I believe what you're looking for can be found here: http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd35
This contains all the 3.5 updates in a form that doesn't require you to buy the books.
Originally posted by Andre La Roche
This contains all the 3.5 updates in a form that doesn't require you to buy the books.
heh heh
Uh...yeah...that's what I need to download. I thought what I downloaded was supposed to be an encompassing all-in-one package deal. I guess it wasn't, huh?
Thanks, Andre.
The one you downloaded's primary function is making all the other 3.0 cap books still useable in 3.5, hence why the majority of the pdf is devoted to things like the MMII, Fiend Folio, ELH, etc.
Originally posted by Andre La Roche
The one you downloaded's primary function is making all the other 3.0 cap books still useable in 3.5, hence why the majority of the pdf is devoted to things like the MMII, Fiend Folio, ELH, etc.
I noticed there seemed to be alot more info in there about the books that didn't get a new edition...heh heh.
Ahem...anyway, thanks for the correct files, man.
If you're going to use the standard method (having to specialize) then do you have to pick certain schools to get rid of? Meaning are you more restricted than the normal specialist from the PHB?
For instance, do white robes HAVE to get rid of necromancy, etc? I really liked the old 2nd edition system where each "robe" had a school that no other had access to (unless, of course, you were a renegade).
Thanks again.
Originally posted by vader42xx
For instance, do white robes HAVE to get rid of necromancy, etc? I really liked the old 2nd edition system where each "robe" had a school that no other had access to (unless, of course, you were a renegade).
At 1st level, you should specialize in one of two approved schools based on your alignment. White Robes should be abjurers or diviners, for example. Any two schools can be chosen as opposition schools, or any one school for diviners. When you first take a level in Wizard of High Sorcery, you choose a third school as opposition school, but it must be one of the schools favored by the other two Orders. So, you could still have a White Robe who cast necromancy spells if you were so inclined.
Cheers,
Cam
). Perhaps they just give them to the conclave and are given new ones.Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Age of Mortals has a sidebar on generalist wizards, who don't specialize. So, if you switched orders, there would be no problems with your spell book.
But what about the specialist ones?
However, I'm very sorry to hear that there are no schools that only certain robes can cast (ie: the white robe with necromancy is just totally foolish). But, I'm still waiting for both of my books so I'll make my final comments when I get them I guess...I just wish the time would hurry up. ;)
Originally posted by Daedavias
But what about the specialist ones?
Yeah, what happens to a white robe diviner with necromancy as his opposing school, who due to corruption and painful experiences changes robe to black and becomes a necromancer with divination as his opposing school.
What happens with his divination spell, he just can't cast them or what?
Originally posted by Voiceman
What happens with his divination spell, he just can't cast them or what?
You can't choose divination as an opposition school.
However, if you'd chosen another school which you previously had access to as your new opposition school, you're right - you can't cast those spells any longer. That's part of what it means to change specializations in that way. Remember, you have 3 or 4 schools to choose your opposition schools from when you do, so choosing one and then griping about the choice doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If you're a diviner with necromancy as an opposition school and change Orders, taking necromancy as your new specialization, then illusion, abjuration, and transmutation are your options for opposition schools.
It's generally a good idea when first making your wizard character to pick schools you know you won't miss, or which aren't actually covered by the Orders. Evocation and conjuration belong to no Order, for example. When you take that first level in Wizard of High Sorcery, you're forced to pick from the schools favored by the other Orders so it's best to make that as painless as possible.
The least painful White Robe choices, at least in my opinion, would be playing a Diviner with illusion as an opposition school, and taking necromancy as a second opposition school after passing the Test and entering the Orders (1st level of WoHS). This offers the most spell choice without suffering a loss of good attack, defense, and utility spells.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
The least painful White Robe choices, at least in my opinion, would be playing a Diviner with illusion as an opposition school, and taking necromancy as a second opposition school after passing the Test and entering the Orders (1st level of WoHS). This offers the most spell choice without suffering a loss of good attack, defense, and utility spells.
This is exactly what I plan to do...
My big question is would the wizard gain new spells to replace the ones lost when they change opposition schools?
Originally posted by Daedavias
This is exactly what I plan to do...
My big question is would the wizard gain new spells to replace the ones lost when they change opposition schools?
Nope. They'll need to spend some time slaving over a spellbook in the Tower. They'll also get 2 spells every time they advance a level automatically.
What, you thought the spells would magically change in their spellbooks? What did you think those wizards do all day locked away in their laboratories and libraries?
Cheers,
Cam
So I had this idea. Whenever the wizards preform a noteworthy task for the conclave or the gods of the moon, they reward them with a new spell that has never been seen on Krynn before. So thus, the wizards enter into the shrines or temple of the moon gods, shave their heads, ritually bathe, fast for several hours (etc). Then they receive the direct presence of their diety that enlightens the supplicant on the proper ritual needed to cast that spell.
I figured it would tie the WoHS closer to the whole mystery-cult motiff they've got going, and differentiate them in flavour from the wizards of other D&D worlds.
Originally posted by ferratus
Here is a question, how do wizards research original spells that are not found in the PHB? Sorcerers obviously just tinker around with ambient magic, but I don't see wizards doing what wizards do in other worlds. They don't really seem to be up on spell theory, but rather recite spells based on ancient lore and tradition (which is why Raistlin had to find the spellbooks of Fistandantilus to acheive his full power).
Fistandantilus did some fairly groundbreaking and original stuff, much of it verboten to the average Wizard of High Sorcery. It isn't that the wizards only have a fixed number of spells and can't learn anything new. The ancient lore, tradition and knowledge of magic is like a series of cooking lessons, not a cookbook. Individual wizards research, experiment and create new spells as they desire, with some being very good at it and others not so much.
Cheers,
Cam