Please...something more definite!!!!
Tyrol
What will be the content of the "Age of Mortals"?
I think the DLCS is great but some details are missing...
I dont know to much about Sovereign Press but unless Tracy Hickmen and Margret Weis are in charge i see DL going to crap.
Wizards should of put alot of focus into DL from the start !!
Are you saying that Sovereign Press is going to be in charge of releasing the Dragonlance products after the DLCS comes out?
Yes.
I dont know to much about Sovereign Press but unless Tracy Hickmen and Margret Weis are in charge i see DL going to crap.
Margaret is the editor-in-chief of Sovereign.
Wizards should of put alot of focus into DL from the start !!
Wizards should have given Sovereign free reign over the DLCS.
Originally posted by CxxOxxS
I dont know to much about Sovereign Press but unless Tracy Hickmen and Margret Weis are in charge i see DL going to crap.
I had a similar attitude when I first heard of Sovereign Press. But, after hearing much about the DLCS and AoM, my doubts are washed away. Based off of what I've read posted by those with copies purchased at GenCon or Margaret Weis's website, I think the people at SP have done an excellent job so far. Too be certain, there are a few nay-sayers bad-mouthing the products, but you can't please everybody. Most owners of the DLCS and AoM have nothing but good things to say about the books. This makes me confident that the content of these books and future ones will be outstanding.
Originally posted by talinthas
these books are the best thing to happen to dragonlance gaming since tracy made the trip from utah to wisconsin.
I sincerely concur, as stated in my earlier post.
Originally posted by talinthas
these books are the best thing to happen to dragonlance gaming since tracy made the trip from utah to wisconsin.
The rest is history.
Originally posted by CxxOxxS
I dont know to much about Sovereign Press but unless Tracy Hickmen and Margret Weis are in charge i see DL going to crap.
Yeah...cause WotC has done such a good job?
They've effectively tried to kill the DL gaming line not once, but twice!You obviously don't know what you're talking about. How can you make such a blind, judgmental call without even looking at the products that Sovereign Press has produced?
I guess we can start from the beginning:
Sovereign Stone Campaign Setting
Codex Mysterium
Bestiary of Loerem
The Taan
Old Vinnengael: City of Sorrows
Escape into Darkness
Sanctuary
Marauders of the Wolf: The Dwarves
Rise of Might: The Empire of Vinnengael (not yet released)
Kingdoms of the Sword and Stars: The Dunkargans and the Karnuans (not yet released...well, I don't have it yet anyway)
Well of Darkness, Guardians of the Lost, and Journey into the Void, the Sovereign Stone Trilogy by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman.
Dragonlance Campaign Setting (wrote only)
DLCS Companion: Age of Mortals
The Sovereign Stone world, created by Larry Elmore, was started back in the 90's. Don Perrin and Margaret Weis ran the company, while some of the big names in Dragonlance wrote the products (Douglas Niles, Janet Pack, Jean Rabe, Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, Don Perrin).
So, yeah...I think Dragonlance is in very capable hands. Maybe you should do a little research before you pop your mouth off next time, eh?
Originally posted by Brimstone
[b]You obviously don't know what you're talking about. How can you make such a blind, judgmental call without even looking at the products that Sovereign Press has produced?
I dident make any blind calls .. i was engaging in a conversation, i stated that i dont know that much about sovereign press and that if Weis or Hickman arent part of it i saw it going to crap.
I never spoke on anything.. i never stated " fact " or made anything up. I stated my OPINION that Wies and Hickman are the core of the lance ... without them, i really do think that it would go to crap. Im intitled to that and i DONT feel that its a blind judgmental call. Agian, just my Opinion, and my advice for you is to not tell ppl when to or when to not speak what they think.
Tracy Hickman is very busy with his new Bronze Canticles project, but he is kind enough to answer questions and act as a consultant when we need him. He wrote the introduction for the DLCS at our request.
So regardless of what you think about the talents and abilities of myself, Chris Coyle, our freelance writers, or anyone else, remember that Margaret Weis is ultimately in charge of Dragonlance gaming, so hopefully we'll avoid "going to crap."
I hope you give our products a try!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by CxxOxxS
I dident make any blind calls .. i was engaging in a conversation, i stated that i dont know that much about sovereign press and that if Weis or Hickman arent part of it i saw it going to crap.
I never spoke on anything.. i never stated " fact " or made anything up. I stated my OPINION that Wies and Hickman are the core of the lance ... without them, i really do think that it would go to crap. Im intitled to that and i DONT feel that its a blind judgmental call. Agian, just my Opinion, and my advice for you is to not tell ppl when to or when to not speak what they think. [/b]
Originally posted by CxxOxxS
I dident make any blind calls .. i was engaging in a conversation, i stated that i dont know that much about sovereign press and that if Weis or Hickman arent part of it i saw it going to crap.
Yes you did. You made a judgement over Sovereign Press, you said without Weis and Hickman, Dragonlance would "go to crap." Sounds like a judgment to me (or opinion if you want to call it that). Either way, it was most definately uninformed, which is the point I was trying to make.
Uninformed opinions/judgments have a tendancy of making one close minded...or is that the other way around? Either way...it's not good for anyone.
I'm grateful that SP respects ALL of dragonlance, unlike this dude.
Originally posted by Brimstone
Yeah...cause WotC has done such a good job?
Actually, I think it's more that the line's died two or three times. (Two are definite, and there was a time in the late 80s when production of new DL game products slowed to a near-standstill, IIRC.) That probably can be attributed more to poor sales (whether those be caused by poor products, mismanagement, lack of interest, or a combination thereof is largely unknowable to us) than active malice on the company's part.
And WotC was only around for the last one. :-)
Matthew L. Martin
). And the artists, ofcourse, since a rulebook with no pictures is just heartless writing.Since Margaret was more than a consultant, the product could only get better(I just hope she corrects my quote in my signature since it is wrong). I haven't read a large portion of the Sovereign Stone material, mainly because I am somewhat turned off by the unique magic system(unique isn't bad, I just don't want to learn a new system. Troy=lazy), but races like the Pecwae are just darn cute. Before I found out that Dragonlance was being resurrected for D&D 3.X, I was actually going to break down and buy SS, since I am unhappy with the direction Wizards took(Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms only, no wonder they bumped up 3.5, all their Campaign settings were as flavorful as a friggin block of wood), and SS was full of it(magic system especially). When I heard that DL was being written by SP, I was half-expecting a new magic system(especially for sorcerors and mystics) but fully-expecting a good product.
Actually, if WotC would have been behind DL fully, I would have been leery on purchasing it, since they would have done little to keep the flavor (they took out plenty when they only were allowed to edit it), and probably wouldn't have even bothered to ask MW or TH to speak a word about it.
I am rambling on, take the coherent stuff for what you will...
On a side note, I didn't even know DL was a game setting for the longest time. I started reading it when I was around 11 or 12, and didn't find out until I purchased DL Classics about four years ago.
Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin
Actually, I think it's more that the line's died two or three times. (Two are definite, and there was a time in the late 80s when production of new DL game products slowed to a near-standstill, IIRC.) That probably can be attributed more to poor sales (whether those be caused by poor products, mismanagement, lack of interest, or a combination thereof is largely unknowable to us) than active malice on the company's part.
Sorry...didn't mean they actually TRIED to kill it both times...just the second time with 3e.
But I didn't want to say "died" either...cause effectively, it's back. Perhaps I should have said, "practically died twice under WotC's management."
And you're right...I forgot about the first one under TSR...so technically that makes it three times that DL gaming has "died."
DL died first after the flood of crap modules back in the totl era. Then it died again with rise of the titans at the end of SAGA/2nd edition. Both were a result of super slumping sales, not malicious intent. You'll notice that the side of your DLCS has a DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS logo. Did WotC really kill the line? No, the decision to stop the first time was cause TSR was broke, and the second time was cause TSR was a joke. WotC knows there is still potential for the setting, and a huge built in fanbase. Thats why the nexus was allowed to exist. thats why SovPress is putting out officially licenced DL books.
What do you have against wotc anyway? They didnt do anything to DL that wasnt dictated by the consumer wallet.
What did you _WANT_ them to do?
Rather than placing the blame on bad TSR management of the line, game system, the people involved, etc. etc. (all of which are in the past), I would rather focus on the continuing life of Dragonlance gaming.
When things looked their bleakest when WotC announced that they would not do a DL gaming line, it was the fans that kept Dragonlance gaming alive. We demonstrated that there was still a love for DL gaming, and that we wanted more.
Hope was born anew when Sovereign Press gained the license for Dragonlance gaming. The line was now in the hands of those who love the setting, and under the direction of Margaret Weis.
With the release of the DLCS and Age of Mortals supplements, we have the rebirth of Dragonlance gaming. This is Dragonlance done the way that it was always meant to be. Finally, Dragonlance has a chance to shine, to grow, and to develop.
Long Live the Lance!
LONG LIVE THE LANCE
edit- wait, did you just call me TERRY??????
Originally posted by talinthas
what? dude, you're missing something here.
Deep breaths Tal...you completely mis-interpretting what I'm saying.
As I said...I didn't mean there was "malicious intent." I meant it was mis-managed. He said he thought DL would go to crap with a new company...I just thought I'd point out that it didn't exactly do so hot for TSR/WotC either...essentially from incorrect (according to sales) management decisions.
But...you are forgetting the most important "death" of DL...then one we all felt. The one when WotC strung us along, pushing back the date for a DLCS until finally stating (two and a half years ago) they decided not to continue the DL gaming line. (after leading us to believe they were going to continue it for about a year)
Anyway, we all know Dragonlance is a viable world...and would sell incredibly well if it were managed properly. Unfortunately...it's never really had that since the days of the original DL modules, it seems. But I trust Sovereign Press implicitly in this endeavour. I know it can be done...and I know that they can do it.
So...no, I harbor no ill will towards TSR or WotC (anymore...although like most people...I was upset with them when the axe came down on DL for D&D a few years ago). But that's all passed.
So...hmm...does that clear things up some, Tal? :D
Originally posted by talinthas
serious, bro. It doesnt matter what happened before, since the DLCS and AoM are shining bright right here and now. These books ARE dragonlance, for all intents and purposes. Just enjoy them and move on =)
Argh! I am moving on. That was my point.
I meant absolutely nothing by the comment other than to point out that DL management can't get worse (when it was said that Sov. Press would cause DL to "got to crap.") That's all nothing more. Move on. Passed it. Pressing on. Constantly drooling on my lovely DL 3.5e books. :D
Originally posted by talinthas
edit- wait, did you just call me TERRY??????
Um...no....
but you STILL called me TERRY!:fight!:
Especially the part where I call you "Terry." Sorry, Tal.
...LONG LIVE THE LANCE!