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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 16, 2003 12:20:25	To all those great folks who have the DLCS or Age of Mortals , do we get a write-up for Valthonis, Paladine reborn as a mortal? I'd love to see whether he chose incarnation as an arcane, divine, or combat - orientated type. If there are no official stats so far, what are peoples' ideas? My own ( rudimentary ) take would be : Valthonis , male Qualinesti elf Fighter 4 / Sorcerer 5 / Cleric of Mishakal 9, Lawful Good.
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 16, 2003 15:38:45	I seriously doubt he'd go Cleric, or Wizard for that matter. Too much focus on other gods (his former underlings for pete's sake), and he's been a Wizard before (Fizban). Valthonis is the personification of the need for lessend dependence of the world on the Gods, i.e. the Age of Mortals... Definitely Mystic. I'd say Mystic 6/Ranger3/Horizon Walker3 (Hey, he is 'the Exile)
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 16, 2003 18:53:50	Good point about Valthonis representing the world's reduced need for divine aid, actually. The main reason I put in cleric of Mishakal was to represent the link with his former wife - I have the feeling she'll still be watching over him. But a few levels of mystic do make good sense, now that I think about it.
#4 ferratus Aug 17, 2003 3:06:16	I think Valthonis will become a mystic myself. It fits in with the whole "age of mortals" theme, and paladine will always want to be a teacher and a means of salvation for mortals. That's his shtick. However, I think Paladine will also surpise us, so I'm not writing up his stats. ;) He may not be a diety anymore, but he is still a figure of mystery.
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 17, 2003 12:58:37	Mystic 14 / Sorcerer 6 / Ranger 3 He'll be epic, he'll need to be able to cast fireball (of course) and though I think he'll receive some sort of favor from Mishakal I don't think it will be in the form of clerical levels - thus the mystic class. It'll likely be some new bonus such as Elmisters 'chosen of Mystra' thing.
#6 talinthas Aug 17, 2003 19:24:51	valthonis has no stats. he has a page of description, but no stats. I gather that he is like the Dark Powers in ravenloft, aka whatever the hell you want.
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 17, 2003 21:02:46	I assumed they didn't stat-block him in the DLCS because he's going to be a plot element/driver in the next big trilogy... and Weis and Hickman don't want to paint themselves into a corner quite this early on.
#8 zombiegleemax Aug 18, 2003 4:17:18	I think he should be given some penalties because, as he was a God, he didnt have to eat or breathe. he didnt know how to do it until he was a mortal. even when he used his avatars he wouldnt need ne of those things cos he was a God. When he experiments some of the basic human things, he should b penalized. When he is hungry, the pain should b a lot bigger cos he never felt it before. :P
#9 cam_banks Aug 18, 2003 8:34:59	Originally posted by talinthas valthonis has no stats. he has a page of description, but no stats. I gather that he is like the Dark Powers in ravenloft, aka whatever the hell you want. He's also described as having no powers, either. I doubt that he's got any meaningful spellcaster levels at all. I'd be inclined to just make him an elf noble and leave it at that, or an expert if I wasn't feeling generous. Cheers, Cam
#10 daedavias_dup Aug 18, 2003 10:44:11	Originally posted by Cam Banks He's also described as having no powers, either. I doubt that he's got any meaningful spellcaster levels at all. I'd be inclined to just make him an elf noble and leave it at that, or an expert if I wasn't feeling generous. Cheers, Cam I agree, there isn't a sound reason why he should be a spellcaster. Just because he was a god does not equate to having more power as a mortal. I think Ranger, Fighter, or Rogue would be the best choices. Noble works too, ofcourse.
#11 Dragonhelm Aug 18, 2003 11:05:42	I like playing Takhisis' Advocate once in a while, so I have a question for you guys. Does Valthonis even need stats? He's a legendary figure, and a former god at that. Personally, I don't like quantifying Krynn's gods too much, even if they are no longer gods. It takes away from the mystique of the characters, IMO. Thoughts on this?
#12 brimstone Aug 18, 2003 11:11:21	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Thoughts on this? Yep... He is a former ultimate god of good. There's gonna be a lot of baddies out there (not just Mina) that are gonna want a piece of him. It might be a good idea to have some stats on the now mortal Paladine, so we know what the boy can do. Now, I do agree with you that in my opinion...the gods don't need stats in Dragonlance. Essentially...if you need the avatar of a god in your game. Make the avatar what you want, and essentially said god can do whatever you want it to. :D
#13 jonesy Aug 18, 2003 11:14:26	I'd make him to be: Follower of Beer of Otik 8/Honorary Kender 5/Wise Chump 12/Honorable Gentleman 15
#14 Dragonhelm Aug 18, 2003 11:24:45	Originally posted by jonesy I'd make him to be: Follower of Beer of Otik 8/Honorary Kender 5/Wise Chump 12/Honorable Gentleman 15
#15 daedavias_dup Aug 18, 2003 11:28:54	Originally posted by jonesy I'd make him to be: Follower of Beer of Otik 8/Honorary Kender 5/Wise Chump 12/Honorable Gentleman 15 You forgot Rambling Old Man 20
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 17:32:34	simple. in my game he was not incarnated as valminwhatever . . . he canme as an epic wizard named fizban the fabulos. reason: fizban is cool, and to ofset the fact that he casts spells as a leve 50 WoHS, he just cant find them when thay are helpful, and ends up casting tham at the most inoppurtune times. thus, we get the fact that he is an Ex-deity, along with his mortal weakness. oh, and he'll probally work his way into a possision of power in the order of the white robes.
#17 carteeg Aug 24, 2003 17:44:24	Humorous stats. Personally, I set him at 1st level commoner. It helps to show exactly how fragile he is right now. (Certainly gives the Faithful a tougher job.) Valthonis: "Ow. Damn paper cuuu---..." *thud* Faithful: "AAAHHH!!!"
#18 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 17:45:28	Originally posted by carteeg Humorous stats. Personally, I set him at 1st level commoner. It helps to show exactly how fragile he is right now. (Certainly gives the Faithful a tougher job.) Valthonis: "Ow. Damn paper cuuu---..." *thud* Faithful: "AAAHHH!!!" LOL
#19 Charles_Phipps Aug 26, 2003 14:21:51	And no one thought that he might actually be a Dragon in disguise? :-) In my campaign he's the Platnium Dragon still Just because he looks like an elf doesn't mean he has lost his true form
#20 brimstone Aug 26, 2003 15:52:52	Originally posted by Charles Phipps And no one thought that he might actually be a Dragon in disguise? In my campaign he's the Platnium Dragon still Just because he looks like an elf doesn't mean he has lost his true form There's a thought...after all...a dragon is still mortal... I very much like this idea.
#21 zombiegleemax Aug 27, 2003 2:41:04	A platinum dragon? Now THAT is a cool idea. I'm so impressed. This should be put in a novel. Anway, just the other a co-worker/friend and myself were discussing good old mortal Paladine and we both looked at things this way. Valthonis doesn't seem to have lost any of his wisdom or knowledge. So, wouldn't that mean that he knows how to be warrior, mage, sorceror, mystic, bartender, blacksmith, and whatever you can think of? I think he'd just know how everything works. He'd have a total understanding of ambient magic. I really don't think he'd just be a wuss elf wandering around. Still loving that platinum dragon idea. :D
#22 zombiegleemax Aug 27, 2003 7:20:09	I think that once the Paladine saw how cruel the world can be sometimes he'd become a bit less good :P