There are no details given in the prerelease rules, just that they exist as 2 semi separate classes. In the 2nd edition rules, defilers were getting xp faster than preservers, but what about 3rd edition? Is the old table to "gather energy" still usable in 3rd edition? What about experience difference? Should preservers get a +1 level adjustment? Can someone tell me where the details are on how those 2 classes differ from each other?
Thanks,
).Dont want to open another debate on the matter but i think the differences / advantages on playing a defiler arent very appealing... At least I dont see why anyone would like to play one...
But a question that isnt answered, is the old "gather energy" table from 2nd DS edi. still needed for the 3rd edi. ?
Now that I've subjected you to my most intimidating gaze attack, I will answer your question: The old gather energy table is obsolete.
To make one thing clear: Defilers and preservers are not separate classes. They are two aspects of the same class - the wizard. It is a label for which method of energy gathering you use - defiling or preserving. If you only preserve you are a preserver. If you defile once, but pass your addiction Will save, you are a tainted wizard. If you fail your addiction Will save you become a defiler and can only defile.
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
To make one thing clear: Defilers and preservers are not separate classes. They are two aspects of the same class - the wizard. It is a label for which method of energy gathering you use - defiling or preserving. If you only preserve you are a preserver. If you defile once, but pass your addiction Will save, you are a tainted wizard. If you fail your addiction Will save you become a defiler and can only defile.
That is true. If you are unhappy with the system in DS3 (which is a good system to solve the problem that they were posed), there are other alternatives floating around the board. My personal alternative is here.
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
Now that I've subjected you to my most intimidating gaze attack, I will answer your question: The old gather energy table is obsolete.
To make one thing clear: Defilers and preservers are not separate classes. They are two aspects of the same class - the wizard. It is a label for which method of energy gathering you use - defiling or preserving. If you only preserve you are a preserver. If you defile once, but pass your addiction Will save, you are a tainted wizard. If you fail your addiction Will save you become a defiler and can only defile.
I hear ya, but my main concern is... why taking the risk to fail to the addiction? what is the interest of it, except becoming a defiler indeed and having access to the feats or even to prestige class? You talk about it as if it was some sort of "last resort" a preserver could use to save his life. But why? It doesnt make him cast any faster on the moment, doesnt make his spell any stronger on the moment... Then either I missed a point somewhere, either there is zero interest for a preserver to start defiling...
PS: Im not trying to argue on if the system is good or not, Im just trying to understand cause I know my players will ask
Plus - as far as I know, there will be preserver & defiler-specific prestige classes that eventually will be released. Things like the Arch-Defiler.
However, that doesnt answer the question my players will, without any doubt, ask. What is the interest in becoming a defiler?
There is none that I can see and I would feel rather stupid to tell them that... Defilers are hated about everywhere, they are hurting their own friends, and kill all life around them. Why would anyone become something like that if you have access to the preserver way, having access to the same spells and skills, but not hurting anybody or killing any plants ? I understand balance needs, but I dont understand this.
Or is it really only for the feats and prestige class?
If thats just it, then just say so, that will answer all my questions. If there is some other interest that i just missed, I would like to know. Cause my players will want to know for sure.
What is the interest in becoming a defiler?
1. Defilers can choose to increase the casting time of their spells to one full-round to gain +1 caster level.
2. Defiling feats become available.
3. Defiler prestige classes become available.
Defiler prestige classes are benchmark prestige classes in terms of power.
1) Newbies.
2) People that can't read.
3) People that don't bother reading.
4) People who can't search.
5) People who don't bother searching.
Category one will always exist. They come to learn - can't really blame them. Then there are categories 2 and 4, which I feel sorry for. Categories 3 and 5 are the ones I create lightning bolt contingencies for.
As Jon now an Overcouncil member, he can even rename 'The burnt world of Athas' logo to 'The burnt hide of Athasians'...
With such great power comes great responsibility. The temptation is there, but disaster could come of it.
Part of the proceeds of my new d20 book called "The Quintissential Guide to Random Tossings of Oracular Lightning Bolts at Message Board Posters, Vol. 1" (of a 10 volume set), shall go towards the purchase of new rechargable batteries and a charging pack for Jon, as a way to say thanks for all the burnt hides he has given us.
When can we see a preview? I can't wait for volume 2... gotta generate material for it. *looks about for a random target.*