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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 20, 2003 13:47:12 Do the Knights of the Skull still cast divine spells in DLCS?
If so, are they mystic... or have they turned to a new god?
If they have turned to a new god... who?

Also,
I've long been wondering how the Knights of the Thorn can
cast arcane magic, draw power from all three moons and
oppose the Wizards of High Sorcery. Why wouldn't the three
gods bar the Knights of the Thorn from drawing power from
their own moons if they continue to stand in opposition to the
WoHS? Truthfully, I didn't understand this point in the opening
of the DoSF book and I guess I don't understand why they'd
continue to get spells through the three moons. Are they perhaps
sorcerers in DLCS?

Note: Basing the Knights of Thorn query off the published
rules governing them at the back of the Second Generation
book... haven't purchased any DL game supplements since
then. Plan on changing that come Friday.
#2
Dragonhelm
Aug 20, 2003 13:58:44
Originally posted by Bidnickle Topknot
Do the Knights of the Skull still cast divine spells in DLCS?
If so, are they mystic... or have they turned to a new god?
If they have turned to a new god... who?

Skull Knights do, indeed, cast divine spells. Prior to the Age of Mortals, they gained their divine power as clerics of Takhisis. After the Chaos War, they turned to mysticism. Nothing has been said yet on whether or not any Skull Knight will turn to one of the other gods or not. If so, I could see either Sargonnas or Chemosh. Who knows? Maybe the Skull Knights will be mixed between clerics and mystics.

Also, I've long been wondering how the Knights of the Thorn can cast arcane magic, draw power from all three moons and oppose the Wizards of High Sorcery. Why wouldn't the three
gods bar the Knights of the Thorn from drawing power from
their own moons if they continue to stand in opposition to the
WoHS? Truthfully, I didn't understand this point in the opening
of the DoSF book and I guess I don't understand why they'd
continue to get spells through the three moons.

This is a confusing point in Summer Flame. My theory is that Takhisis stole the magic from the moon gods, and granted it to the Thorn Knights. Takhisis also demonstrates the ability to steal magic in the War of Souls, so there is some basis for this theory.

Are they perhaps sorcerers in DLCS?

After the Chaos War, the Thorn Knights do turn to the power of primal sorcery. I imagine that they will stick with this for the most part, although I could see them allowing in the occasional renegade wizard.

Note: Basing the Knights of Thorn query off the published rules governing them at the back of the Second Generation book... haven't purchased any DL game supplements since then. Plan on changing that come Friday.

You're going to absolutely love what you get on Friday, then.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 20, 2003 20:44:49 Regarding Knights of the Thorn, remember that the gods of magic don't just reach down from on high and "turn off" a renegade wizard's access to magic. A renegade mage has to be captured by agents of the Orders, who then drag the offender before the Wizards' Conclave. It is the Conclave, acting as representatives of the moon gods, who pass judgement and then strip away the renegade's power. In the case of Knights of the Thorn, they are members of a powerful and influential organization which provides a certain level of protection from the Conclave's mage-hunters. As long as they avoid capture by the Orders, they can continue to function quite happily as renegade wizards ( although I'm sure that in the Age of Mortals the Knighthood's wizards are outnumbered by sorcerers ).
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 7:11:07 The moons have no allegiance to the wohs. The moons are utterly impartial gods, with no worshippers per se. There is no reason the knights could not draw power from the moons, just as renegade wizards can. The moons simply govern the existence of magic, not who use it.
#5
cam_banks
Aug 21, 2003 8:12:46
Originally posted by Xeros
The moons have no allegiance to the wohs. The moons are utterly impartial gods, with no worshippers per se. There is no reason the knights could not draw power from the moons, just as renegade wizards can. The moons simply govern the existence of magic, not who use it.

That's not actually correct. The Gods of Magic have every interest in who uses their magic, otherwise they wouldn't be so keen to teach it to three primal sorcerers and intervene all the time. Par-Salian had visits from the Gods of Magic, after all. The whole "Raistlin as a sword" concept springs from their meddling in the affairs of wizards.

Takhisis stole the power of the moons and gave it to the Thorn Knights. She did the same thing in the past with Galan Dracos and other individuals, testing the theory so to speak. Nuitari was incredibly upset at his mother, and is very likely not unhappy that she's dead.

Cheers,
Cam

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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 13:47:12	Do the Knights of the Skull still cast divine spells in DLCS? If so, are they mystic... or have they turned to a new god? If they have turned to a new god... who? Also, I've long been wondering how the Knights of the Thorn can cast arcane magic, draw power from all three moons and oppose the Wizards of High Sorcery. Why wouldn't the three gods bar the Knights of the Thorn from drawing power from their own moons if they continue to stand in opposition to the WoHS? Truthfully, I didn't understand this point in the opening of the DoSF book and I guess I don't understand why they'd continue to get spells through the three moons. Are they perhaps sorcerers in DLCS? Note: Basing the Knights of Thorn query off the published rules governing them at the back of the Second Generation book... haven't purchased any DL game supplements since then. Plan on changing that come Friday.
#2 Dragonhelm Aug 20, 2003 13:58:44	Originally posted by Bidnickle Topknot Do the Knights of the Skull still cast divine spells in DLCS? If so, are they mystic... or have they turned to a new god? If they have turned to a new god... who? Skull Knights do, indeed, cast divine spells. Prior to the Age of Mortals, they gained their divine power as clerics of Takhisis. After the Chaos War, they turned to mysticism. Nothing has been said yet on whether or not any Skull Knight will turn to one of the other gods or not. If so, I could see either Sargonnas or Chemosh. Who knows? Maybe the Skull Knights will be mixed between clerics and mystics. Also, I've long been wondering how the Knights of the Thorn can cast arcane magic, draw power from all three moons and oppose the Wizards of High Sorcery. Why wouldn't the three gods bar the Knights of the Thorn from drawing power from their own moons if they continue to stand in opposition to the WoHS? Truthfully, I didn't understand this point in the opening of the DoSF book and I guess I don't understand why they'd continue to get spells through the three moons. This is a confusing point in Summer Flame. My theory is that Takhisis stole the magic from the moon gods, and granted it to the Thorn Knights. Takhisis also demonstrates the ability to steal magic in the War of Souls, so there is some basis for this theory. Are they perhaps sorcerers in DLCS? After the Chaos War, the Thorn Knights do turn to the power of primal sorcery. I imagine that they will stick with this for the most part, although I could see them allowing in the occasional renegade wizard. Note: Basing the Knights of Thorn query off the published rules governing them at the back of the Second Generation book... haven't purchased any DL game supplements since then. Plan on changing that come Friday. You're going to absolutely love what you get on Friday, then.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2003 20:44:49	Regarding Knights of the Thorn, remember that the gods of magic don't just reach down from on high and "turn off" a renegade wizard's access to magic. A renegade mage has to be captured by agents of the Orders, who then drag the offender before the Wizards' Conclave. It is the Conclave, acting as representatives of the moon gods, who pass judgement and then strip away the renegade's power. In the case of Knights of the Thorn, they are members of a powerful and influential organization which provides a certain level of protection from the Conclave's mage-hunters. As long as they avoid capture by the Orders, they can continue to function quite happily as renegade wizards ( although I'm sure that in the Age of Mortals the Knighthood's wizards are outnumbered by sorcerers ).
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 7:11:07	The moons have no allegiance to the wohs. The moons are utterly impartial gods, with no worshippers per se. There is no reason the knights could not draw power from the moons, just as renegade wizards can. The moons simply govern the existence of magic, not who use it.
#5 cam_banks Aug 21, 2003 8:12:46	Originally posted by Xeros The moons have no allegiance to the wohs. The moons are utterly impartial gods, with no worshippers per se. There is no reason the knights could not draw power from the moons, just as renegade wizards can. The moons simply govern the existence of magic, not who use it. That's not actually correct. The Gods of Magic have every interest in who uses their magic, otherwise they wouldn't be so keen to teach it to three primal sorcerers and intervene all the time. Par-Salian had visits from the Gods of Magic, after all. The whole "Raistlin as a sword" concept springs from their meddling in the affairs of wizards. Takhisis stole the power of the moons and gave it to the Thorn Knights. She did the same thing in the past with Galan Dracos and other individuals, testing the theory so to speak. Nuitari was incredibly upset at his mother, and is very likely not unhappy that she's dead. Cheers, Cam