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What is the Legion of Steel like for PrC?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 16:29:58 Im just wondering if it would be a better place for my Minotaur than than the Solamnics. Id like to play a Nerakan Knight but the Evil thing get counter productive.

What are your thoughts on and what essential is Legion of Steel Knight. Im not looking for all the copyright material just a synopsis.

Oh, Im all about owning in melee or as a divine caster I havent quite made up my mind yet.
#2
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 18:38:02 I dont think, if you go by the books, that a minotaur can become a solamnic knight. They are almost totally human with a few half-elf exceptions as the Age of Mortals carries on.

The Legion of Steel PrC is only 3 levels. Is it worth it? If you want to add flavor to your character and some unique abilities than yes. The abilities are not super powerful, but can come in handy. Like favored enemies and the like. Its a decent enough class.

Overall you could become a legion knight without taking a level in the PrC according to the DLCS, and plus I dont think its possible for a minotaur to become a knight, because I like playing them too.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 20:01:51 Everything is possible when the DM says ok. The game rules are guides is nothign else.

Thanks for the input.
#4
Dragonhelm
Aug 21, 2003 20:20:37 While you normally don't see minotaurs in the Knights of Solamnia, they may very well make an exception for a minotaur who has demonstrated that he embraces the virtues of loyalty, courage, and justice, as well as displaying a strong sense of honor and a loyalty to the knighthood.

The Steel Legionnaire prestige class would work for a minotaur as well, although the Legion of Steel has different goals, methods, etc. than the Knights of Solamnia. The Legion is more like the Harpers from the Forgotten Realms. They believe in justice for everyone. They don't have that same sense of honor that the other knighthoods have.

While it is only a 3-level PrC, it serves another purpose, that being as a gateway prestige class for the Legion Mystic, Legion Scout, and Legion Sorcerer prestige classes.

Hope that helps. Let us know how your minotaur turns out!
#5
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 20:35:30 I'm not sure if it's particularly 'canon' since I know very little about Kaz aside from the fact that he was a close firend of Huma, but what if the minotaur could trace his line back to Kaz? The knighthood may look favourably enough on the bloodline of a hero like Kaz. I don't know if he had any children but then again we didn't know that Sturm had any children until much later either!

Arandur
#6
Dragonhelm
Aug 21, 2003 20:38:44 If the minotaur could produce such proof, and if he acted honorably, there may be a chance.

Please note that this would still be somewhat unlikely, but if the DM allows it, then go for it!
#7
j0llyblackgiant
Aug 21, 2003 21:03:02 those who followed Kaz live apart from the rest of the minotaurs if i read the recent first books from the minotaur war triliogy correctly... also any one can become a knights

1) by being born into it of the common knight race
KOS - solomanics
KON - creature capable of helping their cause
LOS - same as KON

2) exceptions are made when it can better the cause of the group... so if a minotaur some how proved that they left their home ways behind and have embraced the teaching of what ever knighthood they trying to join then it would be up to the DM... Hopefully the DM looks into the charecters personaility well enough
#8
zombiegleemax
Aug 21, 2003 21:41:39 Well my DM would really Role play my entrance into any Knightly order as quite an ordeal with queats and proof of behavior and the such. Plus if I did make that kind of step into the Solamnic order for instance I would have to keep my bull under controll,hehe.
#9
zombiegleemax
Aug 22, 2003 0:07:51 I dunno, I don't think that they would let a minotaur in. First he has to be born into. How is that gonna happen ? And second it took Kaz alot of guff just be be allowed to not be tied up the whole time. And even after the fact he helped deafeat the dark queen they basically wrote him outta the story.
#10
sweetmeats
Aug 22, 2003 6:09:05 I would have preferred it if the LoS had been at least 5 levels to it. 3 levels just isn't enough for a PrC.
#11
cam_banks
Aug 22, 2003 6:30:35
Originally posted by SweetMeats
I would have preferred it if the LoS had been at least 5 levels to it. 3 levels just isn't enough for a PrC.

It's not unheard of. There's a PrC in Tome & Blood with only 3 levels, and it's a teleportation specialist. The thing to consider is whether the PrC is capable of handling the concept with only 3 levels, and in the case of the Steel Legionnaire, it does.

Cheers,
Cam
#12
sweetmeats
Aug 22, 2003 7:35:18 Yes, but I don't like it. I just don't see the point of a 3 level PrC.
#13
zombiegleemax
Aug 22, 2003 7:48:22 SweetMeats: I hate to be the one to say this, but Cam answered the reason that it's only 3 levels. It serves the purpose that the game creators wanted it to, and only had to be 3 levels. Personally, I think that's better than drawing it out unnecessarily for another 2 levels, just to meet some strange, aesthetic desire of one person.
#14
sweetmeats
Aug 22, 2003 8:00:34 I see whats being said. By saying I don't like it I was referring to the concept of a 3 level PrC in general not just picking on the Steel Legion.

As it is however, the class is not attractive. I'm a roleplayer as opposed to a hack n' slash player but even I wouldn't take that class. As abilities go its good but I don't see the point in a 3 level class.

If thats all it takes to have a PrC, then why are the Solamnic Knights not 3 level classes or the Wizards of High Sorcery?
#15
zombiegleemax
Aug 22, 2003 8:52:56 Because the Wizards of High Sorcery and the Solamnic Knights have a lot of concrete material and well-defined characteristics. Most PrCs simply have a lot of stuff to contribute. It just so happens that the Steel Legionaire doesn't have as many characteristic abilities. They're newer, fresher, less based on tradition, and (I'm guessing) more individualistic. So the need for 5 levels just isn't there - unless, ofcourse, you're aiming for Mystic, Sorcerer, or Scout.

That's how I see it anyway. There's just more stuff to cram into the other PrCs.
#16
cam_banks
Aug 22, 2003 9:30:27
Originally posted by The Udjat

That's how I see it anyway. There's just more stuff to cram into the other PrCs.

That's exactly it. It's one of those capstone PrCs that flavors the character without requiring a lot of investment. Savage Species had a couple like this, also. The typical Legionnaire doesn't even have a PrC - they're just a like-minded individual who's active in the organisation. It's very loose and operates in small groups across Ansalon. Those which have actual commitment to the group beyond simple membership take the PrC in order to acquire advanced knowledge, pick up and train apprentices, and gain an advantage over enemies of the Legion.

Cheers,
Cam

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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 16:29:58	Im just wondering if it would be a better place for my Minotaur than than the Solamnics. Id like to play a Nerakan Knight but the Evil thing get counter productive. What are your thoughts on and what essential is Legion of Steel Knight. Im not looking for all the copyright material just a synopsis. Oh, Im all about owning in melee or as a divine caster I havent quite made up my mind yet.
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 18:38:02	I dont think, if you go by the books, that a minotaur can become a solamnic knight. They are almost totally human with a few half-elf exceptions as the Age of Mortals carries on. The Legion of Steel PrC is only 3 levels. Is it worth it? If you want to add flavor to your character and some unique abilities than yes. The abilities are not super powerful, but can come in handy. Like favored enemies and the like. Its a decent enough class. Overall you could become a legion knight without taking a level in the PrC according to the DLCS, and plus I dont think its possible for a minotaur to become a knight, because I like playing them too.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 20:01:51	Everything is possible when the DM says ok. The game rules are guides is nothign else. Thanks for the input.
#4 Dragonhelm Aug 21, 2003 20:20:37	While you normally don't see minotaurs in the Knights of Solamnia, they may very well make an exception for a minotaur who has demonstrated that he embraces the virtues of loyalty, courage, and justice, as well as displaying a strong sense of honor and a loyalty to the knighthood. The Steel Legionnaire prestige class would work for a minotaur as well, although the Legion of Steel has different goals, methods, etc. than the Knights of Solamnia. The Legion is more like the Harpers from the Forgotten Realms. They believe in justice for everyone. They don't have that same sense of honor that the other knighthoods have. While it is only a 3-level PrC, it serves another purpose, that being as a gateway prestige class for the Legion Mystic, Legion Scout, and Legion Sorcerer prestige classes. Hope that helps. Let us know how your minotaur turns out!
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 20:35:30	I'm not sure if it's particularly 'canon' since I know very little about Kaz aside from the fact that he was a close firend of Huma, but what if the minotaur could trace his line back to Kaz? The knighthood may look favourably enough on the bloodline of a hero like Kaz. I don't know if he had any children but then again we didn't know that Sturm had any children until much later either! Arandur
#6 Dragonhelm Aug 21, 2003 20:38:44	If the minotaur could produce such proof, and if he acted honorably, there may be a chance. Please note that this would still be somewhat unlikely, but if the DM allows it, then go for it!
#7 j0llyblackgiant Aug 21, 2003 21:03:02	those who followed Kaz live apart from the rest of the minotaurs if i read the recent first books from the minotaur war triliogy correctly... also any one can become a knights 1) by being born into it of the common knight race KOS - solomanics KON - creature capable of helping their cause LOS - same as KON 2) exceptions are made when it can better the cause of the group... so if a minotaur some how proved that they left their home ways behind and have embraced the teaching of what ever knighthood they trying to join then it would be up to the DM... Hopefully the DM looks into the charecters personaility well enough
#8 zombiegleemax Aug 21, 2003 21:41:39	Well my DM would really Role play my entrance into any Knightly order as quite an ordeal with queats and proof of behavior and the such. Plus if I did make that kind of step into the Solamnic order for instance I would have to keep my bull under controll,hehe.
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 22, 2003 0:07:51	I dunno, I don't think that they would let a minotaur in. First he has to be born into. How is that gonna happen ? And second it took Kaz alot of guff just be be allowed to not be tied up the whole time. And even after the fact he helped deafeat the dark queen they basically wrote him outta the story.
#10 sweetmeats Aug 22, 2003 6:09:05	I would have preferred it if the LoS had been at least 5 levels to it. 3 levels just isn't enough for a PrC.
#11 cam_banks Aug 22, 2003 6:30:35	Originally posted by SweetMeats I would have preferred it if the LoS had been at least 5 levels to it. 3 levels just isn't enough for a PrC. It's not unheard of. There's a PrC in Tome & Blood with only 3 levels, and it's a teleportation specialist. The thing to consider is whether the PrC is capable of handling the concept with only 3 levels, and in the case of the Steel Legionnaire, it does. Cheers, Cam
#12 sweetmeats Aug 22, 2003 7:35:18	Yes, but I don't like it. I just don't see the point of a 3 level PrC.
#13 zombiegleemax Aug 22, 2003 7:48:22	SweetMeats: I hate to be the one to say this, but Cam answered the reason that it's only 3 levels. It serves the purpose that the game creators wanted it to, and only had to be 3 levels. Personally, I think that's better than drawing it out unnecessarily for another 2 levels, just to meet some strange, aesthetic desire of one person.
#14 sweetmeats Aug 22, 2003 8:00:34	I see whats being said. By saying I don't like it I was referring to the concept of a 3 level PrC in general not just picking on the Steel Legion. As it is however, the class is not attractive. I'm a roleplayer as opposed to a hack n' slash player but even I wouldn't take that class. As abilities go its good but I don't see the point in a 3 level class. If thats all it takes to have a PrC, then why are the Solamnic Knights not 3 level classes or the Wizards of High Sorcery?
#15 zombiegleemax Aug 22, 2003 8:52:56	Because the Wizards of High Sorcery and the Solamnic Knights have a lot of concrete material and well-defined characteristics. Most PrCs simply have a lot of stuff to contribute. It just so happens that the Steel Legionaire doesn't have as many characteristic abilities. They're newer, fresher, less based on tradition, and (I'm guessing) more individualistic. So the need for 5 levels just isn't there - unless, ofcourse, you're aiming for Mystic, Sorcerer, or Scout. That's how I see it anyway. There's just more stuff to cram into the other PrCs.
#16 cam_banks Aug 22, 2003 9:30:27	Originally posted by The Udjat That's how I see it anyway. There's just more stuff to cram into the other PrCs. That's exactly it. It's one of those capstone PrCs that flavors the character without requiring a lot of investment. Savage Species had a couple like this, also. The typical Legionnaire doesn't even have a PrC - they're just a like-minded individual who's active in the organisation. It's very loose and operates in small groups across Ansalon. Those which have actual commitment to the group beyond simple membership take the PrC in order to acquire advanced knowledge, pick up and train apprentices, and gain an advantage over enemies of the Legion. Cheers, Cam