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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 21:09:53 Don't know if this has been covered before...

I don't know if it is just me, but Dragonlance dragons seem a little smaller than their Forgotten Realms counterparts. I'm not sure wether this is because there have been more wars and that this may have kept the population young or it was done to make the Dragons more 'mount-like'. In either case it seems the Dragons of Krynn are much more amiable to humanoid companionship than most other RPG worlds. I would have figured there would be more half-dragons in the world considering the novels. There are more instances of Dragon-humanoid bonding in the DL setting than any other yet it seems to be less covered.

We have Silvara and Gilthanis, and let's face it Skie would have had Kitaiara (hmmm...that's an idea) if he was given half the chance. So many knights, both good and evil were paired with dragons and when we read about the Dragons they generally harbour great feelings fo their riders. Do you think Dragonlance half-dragons would be the same as 1/2 dragons from other settings (ie: the MM half-Dragon template)?

Arandur
#2
dragontooth
Aug 24, 2003 21:28:44 Dragonlance Dragons are the same size as all dragons of the same age group no matter which setting it may be.

Well no half-dragon ever been mention in a novel. So half-dragons might not be fodder in Dragonlance. But its really up to the DM.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 21:46:13 In statistics perhaps the dragons appear the same but the artwork seems to say otherwise. The dragons (IMO) seem a tad bit smaller and if they are all the same size then all the dragonlance mounts are younger?

And yes while no half-dragon exists in the novels as yet, the bond between dragon and humanoid is discussed in some length and detail. In the examples I gave (Gilthanis & Silvara, Skie & Kitiara) it is possible to theorise, given what we have read, that a half-dragon offspring is possible on an emotional level. Wether it is possible on a physical level is still something not discussed in the DL setting. That said, if it were possible then there may very well be half-dragons in Krynn, remnants from a dragon/humanoid union. Perhaps even from an earlier Dragon War it is a definite possibility. Perhaps they too are bound by the same pact that their draconic parents (and heritage) were bound. Perhaps they are bound by a seperate pact between the gods as yet undisclosed...

I'm just voicing an idea that may not exist in the 'canon' setting is still a viable idea and to myself a rather interesting one

Arandur
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 23:00:08 I always assumed that when the Silvers took human or elf form, they were humans or elves in every physiological way, including reproductive. So any off-spring between Silvara and Gilthanas would be full-blooded elves, for instance. I don't know if that assumption has been contradicted in any novels or game material, but it seems to fit with Krynnish fairy tales moreso than the lovely Silvara giving birth to something from "V".
#5
talinthas
Aug 24, 2003 23:12:30 There has been one recorded instance of a half dragon, and that was in Knaak's short story, "Huma's Son".
#6
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 23:16:45
Originally posted by talinthas
There has been one recorded instance of a half dragon, and that was in Knaak's short story, "Huma's Son".

Was he a freaky dude covered in scales or more or less human?
#7
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 23:21:09 Huma's son, this sounds good...

*settles into a comfy cross-legged sitting position while nudging Dragontooth...*

This should be good. What was he like Mr. Talinthas

Arandur
#8
talinthas
Aug 24, 2003 23:22:45 I don't remember =)
#9
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 23:23:52 Let me guess, Mr. Knaak personally asked you not to tell....

;)
#10
zombiegleemax
Aug 24, 2003 23:36:28 He appears human, and apart from the boy's word and his valour in battle there's actually no evidence that he is what he claims to be. And it has been established Huma and Gweneth (sp) didn't take Paladine's offer to be able to produce offspring but instead decided to "stay and fight" Takhisis.

Regarding the original post, Unsung Heroes mentions that Dragonlance dragons are able to enlarge/reduce their size to appear more/less intimidating depending on the circumstances. (This as an attempt to explain all the varying size discrepancies in novels and game products, sometimes concerning the same dragon in the same time period).

P.S. If anything, I think Dragonlance dragons should be bigger (or at least stronger and more intelligent) than dragons of other worlds. They've had wars upon wars to weed out any weak genes on their pool.
#11
zombiegleemax
Aug 25, 2003 5:19:07
Originally posted by Kai Lord
Was he a freaky dude covered in scales or more or less human?

Huma's son walked around as an ordinary man and when he got near the Dragon that Chaos created, he turned into a mix between a dragon and a human. I liked it's story and I think there should b more half dragons.
#12
ferratus
Aug 28, 2003 16:01:31
Originally posted by Richard Connery
He appears human, and apart from the boy's word and his valour in battle there's actually no evidence that he is what he claims to be. And it has been established Huma and Gweneth (sp) didn't take Paladine's offer to be able to produce offspring but instead decided to "stay and fight" Takhisis.

They were given a chance to live out their lives as mortals, thus guaranteeing that the Dark Queen would be triumphant. Interestingly, Huma was willing, but Gwynneth wasn't willing to destroy the honour and goodness in him that she loved.

I don't know where this whole thing about "breeding" came into it. Frankly, I think it cheapens the story of Huma and Gwynneth, and the story of Gilthanas and Silvara. Before it was Gilthanas simply unable to cope with Silvara's true nature. Now he has a legitimate reasons for not giving in to his love. The desire and responsibility to have a family.
#13
Dragonhelm
Aug 28, 2003 16:13:39 The way the short story reads, it sounds as if Liam was conceived in the afterlife.

All in all, I would consider this a kender tale. Yet a damn fine one, if I must say so. ;)
#14
iltharanos
Aug 30, 2003 1:42:09 There was a dragonlance story in one of the pre-Fifth Age anthologies where a silver dragon met and fell in love with a human woman. The woman gave birth to a human-looking child. Later the silver dragon came back to get the child and when they left the little girl transformed into a juvenile silver dragon ...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 21:09:53	Don't know if this has been covered before... I don't know if it is just me, but Dragonlance dragons seem a little smaller than their Forgotten Realms counterparts. I'm not sure wether this is because there have been more wars and that this may have kept the population young or it was done to make the Dragons more 'mount-like'. In either case it seems the Dragons of Krynn are much more amiable to humanoid companionship than most other RPG worlds. I would have figured there would be more half-dragons in the world considering the novels. There are more instances of Dragon-humanoid bonding in the DL setting than any other yet it seems to be less covered. We have Silvara and Gilthanis, and let's face it Skie would have had Kitaiara (hmmm...that's an idea) if he was given half the chance. So many knights, both good and evil were paired with dragons and when we read about the Dragons they generally harbour great feelings fo their riders. Do you think Dragonlance half-dragons would be the same as 1/2 dragons from other settings (ie: the MM half-Dragon template)? Arandur
#2 dragontooth Aug 24, 2003 21:28:44	Dragonlance Dragons are the same size as all dragons of the same age group no matter which setting it may be. Well no half-dragon ever been mention in a novel. So half-dragons might not be fodder in Dragonlance. But its really up to the DM.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 21:46:13	In statistics perhaps the dragons appear the same but the artwork seems to say otherwise. The dragons (IMO) seem a tad bit smaller and if they are all the same size then all the dragonlance mounts are younger? And yes while no half-dragon exists in the novels as yet, the bond between dragon and humanoid is discussed in some length and detail. In the examples I gave (Gilthanis & Silvara, Skie & Kitiara) it is possible to theorise, given what we have read, that a half-dragon offspring is possible on an emotional level. Wether it is possible on a physical level is still something not discussed in the DL setting. That said, if it were possible then there may very well be half-dragons in Krynn, remnants from a dragon/humanoid union. Perhaps even from an earlier Dragon War it is a definite possibility. Perhaps they too are bound by the same pact that their draconic parents (and heritage) were bound. Perhaps they are bound by a seperate pact between the gods as yet undisclosed... I'm just voicing an idea that may not exist in the 'canon' setting is still a viable idea and to myself a rather interesting one Arandur
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 23:00:08	I always assumed that when the Silvers took human or elf form, they were humans or elves in every physiological way, including reproductive. So any off-spring between Silvara and Gilthanas would be full-blooded elves, for instance. I don't know if that assumption has been contradicted in any novels or game material, but it seems to fit with Krynnish fairy tales moreso than the lovely Silvara giving birth to something from "V".
#5 talinthas Aug 24, 2003 23:12:30	There has been one recorded instance of a half dragon, and that was in Knaak's short story, "Huma's Son".
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 23:16:45	Originally posted by talinthas There has been one recorded instance of a half dragon, and that was in Knaak's short story, "Huma's Son". Was he a freaky dude covered in scales or more or less human?
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 23:21:09	Huma's son, this sounds good... settles into a comfy cross-legged sitting position while nudging Dragontooth... This should be good. What was he like Mr. Talinthas Arandur
#8 talinthas Aug 24, 2003 23:22:45	I don't remember =)
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 23:23:52	Let me guess, Mr. Knaak personally asked you not to tell.... ;)
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 24, 2003 23:36:28	He appears human, and apart from the boy's word and his valour in battle there's actually no evidence that he is what he claims to be. And it has been established Huma and Gweneth (sp) didn't take Paladine's offer to be able to produce offspring but instead decided to "stay and fight" Takhisis. Regarding the original post, Unsung Heroes mentions that Dragonlance dragons are able to enlarge/reduce their size to appear more/less intimidating depending on the circumstances. (This as an attempt to explain all the varying size discrepancies in novels and game products, sometimes concerning the same dragon in the same time period). P.S. If anything, I think Dragonlance dragons should be bigger (or at least stronger and more intelligent) than dragons of other worlds. They've had wars upon wars to weed out any weak genes on their pool.
#11 zombiegleemax Aug 25, 2003 5:19:07	Originally posted by Kai Lord Was he a freaky dude covered in scales or more or less human? Huma's son walked around as an ordinary man and when he got near the Dragon that Chaos created, he turned into a mix between a dragon and a human. I liked it's story and I think there should b more half dragons.
#12 ferratus Aug 28, 2003 16:01:31	Originally posted by Richard Connery He appears human, and apart from the boy's word and his valour in battle there's actually no evidence that he is what he claims to be. And it has been established Huma and Gweneth (sp) didn't take Paladine's offer to be able to produce offspring but instead decided to "stay and fight" Takhisis. They were given a chance to live out their lives as mortals, thus guaranteeing that the Dark Queen would be triumphant. Interestingly, Huma was willing, but Gwynneth wasn't willing to destroy the honour and goodness in him that she loved. I don't know where this whole thing about "breeding" came into it. Frankly, I think it cheapens the story of Huma and Gwynneth, and the story of Gilthanas and Silvara. Before it was Gilthanas simply unable to cope with Silvara's true nature. Now he has a legitimate reasons for not giving in to his love. The desire and responsibility to have a family.
#13 Dragonhelm Aug 28, 2003 16:13:39	The way the short story reads, it sounds as if Liam was conceived in the afterlife. All in all, I would consider this a kender tale. Yet a damn fine one, if I must say so. ;)
#14 iltharanos Aug 30, 2003 1:42:09	There was a dragonlance story in one of the pre-Fifth Age anthologies where a silver dragon met and fell in love with a human woman. The woman gave birth to a human-looking child. Later the silver dragon came back to get the child and when they left the little girl transformed into a juvenile silver dragon ...