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WoHS Question: Evocation, Conjuration, Generalist?

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 26, 2003 19:55:46 Has there been anything published about Evokers or Conjurers of High Sorcery? What about Generalist wizards?
Thanks.
#2
shugi
Aug 26, 2003 19:59:49 A number of threads touch on generalist wizards -- the Age of Mortals companion lists them as an optional possibility.

No conjurers or evokers, though.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 27, 2003 18:25:12 I don't know how they'll be done in the official books, but I plan to make evocation in the province of the red robes, and give conjuration to the black robes. This relieves two problems: lack of choice for red robes and black robes in prohibited schools, and evokers and conjurers in the WoHS.
Any comments on this idea?
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 28, 2003 0:49:37 At first I didn't like the idea, because from a flavor standpoint, Evocation didn't seem to quite fit Red Robes and Conjuration, well, it seems okay for Black.

Then again, it does provide more choices for Red and Black specialists for their barred schools...well, it provides a choice, period...

Personally, I don't like the specialization idea as presented in DLCS...I don't bar any schools from WoHS, per se. I just rule that caster levels from WoHS PrC only apply to spells that are not the province of other orders...only the wizard levels apply when determining caster level and spells readied for those spells.
#5
zombiegleemax
Aug 28, 2003 0:53:47 Not sure if you have already read this on another thread, but the Age of Mortals sourcebook (as Shugi mentioned) contains variant rules for a non-specialist WoHS.

Arandur
#6
baron_the_curse
Aug 28, 2003 0:56:27 I’ve never liked the idea of force specialization. I like the approach you’re using for your campaign Umbrage; I might just go with that myself.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 21:23:33 In previous editions, various robes simply couldn't cast spells from certain schools. At least now, as specialists, you get the specialist's bonus.
#8
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2003 7:40:41 Would the Age of Mortals generalist rules also work for Conjurers and Evokers? I assume that they would forgo any benefits and penalties associated with the enhanced specialization class feature, but would retain their existing specialization benefits.

Or does the Conclave simply turn away any 4th-level Conjurer / Evoker types who turn up for the Test?
#9
cam_banks
Sep 02, 2003 7:57:33
Originally posted by Twilight Herald
Would the Age of Mortals generalist rules also work for Conjurers and Evokers? I assume that they would forgo any benefits and penalties associated with the enhanced specialization class feature, but would retain their existing specialization benefits.

Or does the Conclave simply turn away any 4th-level Conjurer / Evoker types who turn up for the Test?

If you've lifted the requirement, there's no reason you couldn't allow conjuration and evocation specialists. They wouldn't gain any benefit from Enhanced Specialization, either, but it would mean you don't have to rule them out of the campaign.

Cheers,
Cam
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 03, 2003 5:37:40 I think it was a mathematical question, really, that lead to the Wizard of High Sorcery class as presented in the DLCS: it is only fair that White, Red and Black robes all get the same number of schools that they can specialize in. D&D has eight different schools of magic, which is one less of the nine that you would need to give each of the three orders three choices of specialization. Therefore, everyone gets two, and the two remaining ones are simply left out.

I think they did not want to make evocation exclusive to any order, because it is a school with a wide selection and many combat-oriented spells that all wizards can make good use of, regardless of their alignment. The same probably goes for conjuration (as for the summoning spells, remember that they allow you to summon creatures of different alignment as well, so you can tailor the spells to your preference - it is not necessarily a "demon-summoning", evil school).

Other schools of magic were more obvious choices in regard to alignment, such as necromancy for evil wizards, or transmutation (symbolizing "change") for neutrals. That is why they, on the other hand, are tied to the White, Red or Black robes. Personally, I like the Wizards of High Sorcery as they are. I'd probably treat conjurers and evokers with the same rule that the "generalist wizard" in the Age of Mortals expansion uses.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 26, 2003 19:55:46	Has there been anything published about Evokers or Conjurers of High Sorcery? What about Generalist wizards? Thanks.
#2 shugi Aug 26, 2003 19:59:49	A number of threads touch on generalist wizards -- the Age of Mortals companion lists them as an optional possibility. No conjurers or evokers, though.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 27, 2003 18:25:12	I don't know how they'll be done in the official books, but I plan to make evocation in the province of the red robes, and give conjuration to the black robes. This relieves two problems: lack of choice for red robes and black robes in prohibited schools, and evokers and conjurers in the WoHS. Any comments on this idea?
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 28, 2003 0:49:37	At first I didn't like the idea, because from a flavor standpoint, Evocation didn't seem to quite fit Red Robes and Conjuration, well, it seems okay for Black. Then again, it does provide more choices for Red and Black specialists for their barred schools...well, it provides a choice, period... Personally, I don't like the specialization idea as presented in DLCS...I don't bar any schools from WoHS, per se. I just rule that caster levels from WoHS PrC only apply to spells that are not the province of other orders...only the wizard levels apply when determining caster level and spells readied for those spells.
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 28, 2003 0:53:47	Not sure if you have already read this on another thread, but the Age of Mortals sourcebook (as Shugi mentioned) contains variant rules for a non-specialist WoHS. Arandur
#6 baron_the_curse Aug 28, 2003 0:56:27	I’ve never liked the idea of force specialization. I like the approach you’re using for your campaign Umbrage; I might just go with that myself.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 21:23:33	In previous editions, various robes simply couldn't cast spells from certain schools. At least now, as specialists, you get the specialist's bonus.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 7:40:41	Would the Age of Mortals generalist rules also work for Conjurers and Evokers? I assume that they would forgo any benefits and penalties associated with the enhanced specialization class feature, but would retain their existing specialization benefits. Or does the Conclave simply turn away any 4th-level Conjurer / Evoker types who turn up for the Test?
#9 cam_banks Sep 02, 2003 7:57:33	Originally posted by Twilight Herald Would the Age of Mortals generalist rules also work for Conjurers and Evokers? I assume that they would forgo any benefits and penalties associated with the enhanced specialization class feature, but would retain their existing specialization benefits. Or does the Conclave simply turn away any 4th-level Conjurer / Evoker types who turn up for the Test? If you've lifted the requirement, there's no reason you couldn't allow conjuration and evocation specialists. They wouldn't gain any benefit from Enhanced Specialization, either, but it would mean you don't have to rule them out of the campaign. Cheers, Cam
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2003 5:37:40	I think it was a mathematical question, really, that lead to the Wizard of High Sorcery class as presented in the DLCS: it is only fair that White, Red and Black robes all get the same number of schools that they can specialize in. D&D has eight different schools of magic, which is one less of the nine that you would need to give each of the three orders three choices of specialization. Therefore, everyone gets two, and the two remaining ones are simply left out. I think they did not want to make evocation exclusive to any order, because it is a school with a wide selection and many combat-oriented spells that all wizards can make good use of, regardless of their alignment. The same probably goes for conjuration (as for the summoning spells, remember that they allow you to summon creatures of different alignment as well, so you can tailor the spells to your preference - it is not necessarily a "demon-summoning", evil school). Other schools of magic were more obvious choices in regard to alignment, such as necromancy for evil wizards, or transmutation (symbolizing "change") for neutrals. That is why they, on the other hand, are tied to the White, Red or Black robes. Personally, I like the Wizards of High Sorcery as they are. I'd probably treat conjurers and evokers with the same rule that the "generalist wizard" in the Age of Mortals expansion uses.