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Lord Soth Stats

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#1
kalanth
Aug 29, 2003 15:29:48 I was crunching some numbers last night based on the prestige classes of the Knights of Solamnia and found that, while adding the template onto Lord Soth, you would have a Challenge Rating 40 monster. Roughly, in order to make Soth the way I feel he should be made a Fighter / Knight of the Crown / Sword / Rose. Doing either a 6/4/10/10, or a 6/10/4/10 (I think the second one, with less Sword levels fits more because I don't remember much of the clerical abilities of Soth, and there is no Clerical level in my example).

Roughly based on the Template, you take all this, and add +5 for ECL, and then there is a +5 from something else that I am forgetting. Real nasty character, and all the stuff I can think about Soth doing is in the Template.

My question is this, what should his primary stats be? Obviously he would have a 0 Con, being undead and all, but what about the rest? To include the +4 Str and the +2 Int and +2 Wis (I think that is what it is for the Death Knight Template). In the old hardcover book he had a Str of 18 (99) so I would figure a 22 or 23 would work there, but the rest I can't really think. And I have not even thought about the bonus points for every four levels.
#2
zombiegleemax
Aug 29, 2003 15:46:13 Remember that Soth needs at least a level of Cleric in order to qualify for Knight of the Sword... At bare minimum, he'd look like:

Fighter 3 / Cleric 1 / Knight of the Crown 3 / Knight of the Sword 3 / Knight of the Rose 1 (he only needs 1 level in it)

Then add the template. So conceivably, he'd only have to be level 11 before he becomes a Death Knight. But naturally, he could have a few more levels of Rose or Crown as necessary. But I wouldn't make him Epic level, personally. He's vicious enough with his CR hovering around 20-25. Or is the ECL? Whichever.

Actually, I rescind my statement about him needing to only be level 11. He has undead cohorts - He'd have to be level 15, at least. So tweak 4 more levels in there and you've got the minimum (I'd do Rose or Crown).

As for his abilities? He probably lost a nice Con mod when he became undead. I'd give him a High Strength, a relatively high Charisma, decent dex - And an abysmal wisdom! Just kidding. Mostly. *mumblemumble* Throw away the chance to stop the Cataclysm *mumblemumble*
#3
kalanth
Aug 29, 2003 15:48:17 I did forget about the Knight of the Sword requiring cleric. I will take that into account. Course, I am still targeting the 30th (now 31st) level overall character for him, because I remember him being high in the order of the rose.
#4
shugi
Aug 29, 2003 16:09:48 I personally wouldn't put Lord Soth over 20 character levels, but he has been around for centuries. To each their own. However, if you did want an experienced Knight of the Rose for fewer levels, you could easily go Fighter4/Cleric1/Crown2/Sword3/Rose10. No book here so I could be off, but this would give you a "full" Rose Knight by level 20.
#5
zombiegleemax
Aug 29, 2003 16:47:19 His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed.
#6
kalanth
Aug 29, 2003 23:50:06
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed.

I actually mentioned that already. He would have a +4 Str from template, and +5 from the every four levels you gain a +1 ability. I was planning on going up to level 30ish with him because he did do some time in each order.
#7
zombiegleemax
Aug 30, 2003 14:14:46 Thing you have to remember, is going by the Death Knight of Krynn template, Soth has to at least have 17 HD=17 levels. That is the required HD to use power word kill which we know that Soth has as a death knight. I would say that he is around 18th level? Thats what I may go with, just looking at what he has done, and what the template requires before that can be done he has to be this min level.

I hated the stats on Soth in 2ed. Well not all of them, but his Wis was very low. Like 9 or something. I would at least have him at a Wis of 14+, Str is probably around 25-30, other stats would vary. His exact stats will probably given in either the WotL supplement, or Legends supplement ( With Raist?)
#8
Matthew_L._Martin
Aug 30, 2003 14:39:02 Personally, I'd let Soth convert his Knight of Solamnia levels into Blackguard levels, a la paladins.

Matthew L. Martin
#9
kalanth
Aug 30, 2003 15:49:55
Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin
Personally, I'd let Soth convert his Knight of Solamnia levels into Blackguard levels, a la paladins.

Matthew L. Martin

This is something that I actually did for him already. I use "Boken Crown, Broken Sword, and Black Rose" as his level titles.
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2003 13:10:08 Just convert all his knight levels to rogue knight =)
#11
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Sep 02, 2003 13:12:35
Originally posted by Kalanth
This is something that I actually did for him already. I use "Boken Crown, Broken Sword, and Black Rose" as his level titles.

Just as a nitpick, maybe you should use something like "Tarnished Crown, Broken Sword and Black Rose". Just to avoid using broken twice. (Just a suggestion :angel
#12
The_White_Sorcerer
Sep 02, 2003 13:25:15
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed.

22.
#13
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2003 13:26:22
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
Just as a nitpick, maybe you should use something like "Tarnished Crown, Broken Sword and Black Rose". Just to avoid using broken twice. (Just a suggestion :angel

I was thinking the exact same thing...That sounds very cool.....Ill have to use that in my game.

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#1 kalanth Aug 29, 2003 15:29:48	I was crunching some numbers last night based on the prestige classes of the Knights of Solamnia and found that, while adding the template onto Lord Soth, you would have a Challenge Rating 40 monster. Roughly, in order to make Soth the way I feel he should be made a Fighter / Knight of the Crown / Sword / Rose. Doing either a 6/4/10/10, or a 6/10/4/10 (I think the second one, with less Sword levels fits more because I don't remember much of the clerical abilities of Soth, and there is no Clerical level in my example). Roughly based on the Template, you take all this, and add +5 for ECL, and then there is a +5 from something else that I am forgetting. Real nasty character, and all the stuff I can think about Soth doing is in the Template. My question is this, what should his primary stats be? Obviously he would have a 0 Con, being undead and all, but what about the rest? To include the +4 Str and the +2 Int and +2 Wis (I think that is what it is for the Death Knight Template). In the old hardcover book he had a Str of 18 (99) so I would figure a 22 or 23 would work there, but the rest I can't really think. And I have not even thought about the bonus points for every four levels.
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2003 15:46:13	Remember that Soth needs at least a level of Cleric in order to qualify for Knight of the Sword... At bare minimum, he'd look like: Fighter 3 / Cleric 1 / Knight of the Crown 3 / Knight of the Sword 3 / Knight of the Rose 1 (he only needs 1 level in it) Then add the template. So conceivably, he'd only have to be level 11 before he becomes a Death Knight. But naturally, he could have a few more levels of Rose or Crown as necessary. But I wouldn't make him Epic level, personally. He's vicious enough with his CR hovering around 20-25. Or is the ECL? Whichever. Actually, I rescind my statement about him needing to only be level 11. He has undead cohorts - He'd have to be level 15, at least. So tweak 4 more levels in there and you've got the minimum (I'd do Rose or Crown). As for his abilities? He probably lost a nice Con mod when he became undead. I'd give him a High Strength, a relatively high Charisma, decent dex - And an abysmal wisdom! Just kidding. Mostly. mumblemumble Throw away the chance to stop the Cataclysm mumblemumble
#3 kalanth Aug 29, 2003 15:48:17	I did forget about the Knight of the Sword requiring cleric. I will take that into account. Course, I am still targeting the 30th (now 31st) level overall character for him, because I remember him being high in the order of the rose.
#4 shugi Aug 29, 2003 16:09:48	I personally wouldn't put Lord Soth over 20 character levels, but he has been around for centuries. To each their own. However, if you did want an experienced Knight of the Rose for fewer levels, you could easily go Fighter4/Cleric1/Crown2/Sword3/Rose10. No book here so I could be off, but this would give you a "full" Rose Knight by level 20.
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2003 16:47:19	His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed.
#6 kalanth Aug 29, 2003 23:50:06	Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed. I actually mentioned that already. He would have a +4 Str from template, and +5 from the every four levels you gain a +1 ability. I was planning on going up to level 30ish with him because he did do some time in each order.
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 30, 2003 14:14:46	Thing you have to remember, is going by the Death Knight of Krynn template, Soth has to at least have 17 HD=17 levels. That is the required HD to use power word kill which we know that Soth has as a death knight. I would say that he is around 18th level? Thats what I may go with, just looking at what he has done, and what the template requires before that can be done he has to be this min level. I hated the stats on Soth in 2ed. Well not all of them, but his Wis was very low. Like 9 or something. I would at least have him at a Wis of 14+, Str is probably around 25-30, other stats would vary. His exact stats will probably given in either the WotL supplement, or Legends supplement ( With Raist?)
#8 Matthew_L._Martin Aug 30, 2003 14:39:02	Personally, I'd let Soth convert his Knight of Solamnia levels into Blackguard levels, a la paladins. Matthew L. Martin
#9 kalanth Aug 30, 2003 15:49:55	Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin Personally, I'd let Soth convert his Knight of Solamnia levels into Blackguard levels, a la paladins. Matthew L. Martin This is something that I actually did for him already. I use "Boken Crown, Broken Sword, and Black Rose" as his level titles.
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 13:10:08	Just convert all his knight levels to rogue knight =)
#11 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Sep 02, 2003 13:12:35	Originally posted by Kalanth This is something that I actually did for him already. I use "Boken Crown, Broken Sword, and Black Rose" as his level titles. Just as a nitpick, maybe you should use something like "Tarnished Crown, Broken Sword and Black Rose". Just to avoid using broken twice. (Just a suggestion :angel
#12 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 02, 2003 13:25:15	Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast His str in 2ed was 18(99). I am not sure what that equated to in 3ed. 22.
#13 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 13:26:22	Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo Just as a nitpick, maybe you should use something like "Tarnished Crown, Broken Sword and Black Rose". Just to avoid using broken twice. (Just a suggestion :angel I was thinking the exact same thing...That sounds very cool.....Ill have to use that in my game.