My thoughts on whats missing and what is wrong (anyone agree)
Classes- Could have had more than just 2 new, really could have squeezed in an actual "handler" class.
Magic Items/Artifacts- Should have been put all in one place and not spread out throught the book.
Spells- Decent although I found several are just 3rd edition remakes of spells out of old issues of DRAGON.
Maps/Geography- Why were some of the names of cities and places changed from the 2nd editon setting to this one (mostly the removal of a single letter in most cases).
Art- I know that I can do better than some of the pics in this book. To note a few of the horrendous pics (Blue/Green/Brass/silver/Copper dragons, Kang, a few of the draconions, the pic of the dragonlance killing a dragon, just to name a few).
Index- Not sure if anyone else noticed but this book has NO INDEX, and with how the information is spread out through the book it is hard to find anything quickly!
Monsters- Yes i know their is a bestiary coming out soon but i do believe that this book could have at least included a list of MM monsters that can be found/or not found on Krynn.
While their is alot of good information in the book I find a huge problem in the lack of organization of that information. In all I love the DragonLance world and will still use the book often I find that its quality is sub-par to that of other books with the same cost (Forgotten Realms Campain Setting for example).
I really do believe that the next few dnd dragonlance books should fall in the $20 range to make up for the lack of stuff included in the campain setting (yes i know history of Anslon is VERY important but, more could have still been added).
So, do ya'll think im right or am i just seeing problems where their are none?
...............And when the hell are we finally going to get a Krynn Gnome Tinker class???
Originally posted by SlickBlade
Now usually im perfectly happy with all that Wizards has done with dnd but the new campain setting book just does not feel like something that costed $40 to get.
My thoughts on whats missing and what is wrong (anyone agree)
Classes- Could have had more than just 2 new, really could have squeezed in an actual "handler" class.
Magic Items/Artifacts- Should have been put all in one place and not spread out throught the book.
Spells- Decent although I found several are just 3rd edition remakes of spells out of old issues of DRAGON.
Maps/Geography- Why were some of the names of cities and places changed from the 2nd editon setting to this one (mostly the removal of a single letter in most cases).
Art- I know that I can do better than some of the pics in this book. To note a few of the horrendous pics (Blue/Green/Brass/silver/Copper dragons, Kang, a few of the draconions, the pic of the dragonlance killing a dragon, just to name a few).
Index- Not sure if anyone else noticed but this book has NO INDEX, and with how the information is spread out through the book it is hard to find anything quickly!
Monsters- Yes i know their is a bestiary coming out soon but i do believe that this book could have at least included a list of MM monsters that can be found/or not found on Krynn.
While their is alot of good information in the book I find a huge problem in the lack of organization of that information. In all I love the DragonLance world and will still use the book often I find that its quality is sub-par to that of other books with the same cost (Forgotten Realms Campain Setting for example).
I really do believe that the next few dnd dragonlance books should fall in the $20 range to make up for the lack of stuff included in the campain setting (yes i know history of Anslon is VERY important but, more could have still been added).
So, do ya'll think im right or am i just seeing problems where their are none?
...............And when the hell are we finally going to get a Krynn Gnome Tinker class???
Classes...Ok....there really isnt a need for any more base classes.
Magic Items.....Cant say anything as I agree on that one.
Spells.....The signature ones are brand new. As far as the recycled ones.....I dunno.
Maps/Geo.....I don't think any two DL references agree on the spellings of locations.
Art....A subjective thing really, some like it some dont.....this is a horse that has been beaten to death.
Index...Not a real necessity, but I have noticed that WotC has been skipping these as of late.
Monsters....It did include a listing of what is not found on Krynn. Page 212.....the introduction to the monster chapter, Right under Lord Soth's Song.
Sub par to FR....for shame......tis blasphemy to say such a thing.
The next books should be reduced in price to make up for it? Come on...the book was chock full of info....Its just 40 pages shy of the length of any one of the core rulebooks!
And Talinthas is right....you might see a tinker prestige class for gnomes....but it will never be a base class.
hence the dog ugly dragons.
Originally posted by talinthas
the art is wotc's fault. SovPress had nothing to do with it.
hence the dog ugly dragons.
Then how come the WotC dragons in the MM are simply gorgeous?
I'm getting kinda tired of the "The bad art is WotC's fault" statement.
You'll notice who they got for art in the DLCS. a bunch of third rates no one has ever heard of.
You honestly think art controlled by sov press would have dragonlances look like that? or kenderpigs?
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Then how come the WotC dragons in the MM are simply gorgeous?
Because Art Director Dawn Murin (the same WOTC employee who chose the artists for the DLCS) didn't choose Doug Kovacs to draw them.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
I'm getting kinda tired of the "The bad art is WotC's fault" statement.
Got a problem with the truth?
Originally posted by talinthas
he (Lockwood) is a painter's god.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Kai Lord
Because Art Director Dawn Murin (the same WOTC employee who chose the artists for the DLCS) didn't choose Doug Kovacs to draw them.
Got a problem with the truth?
Ah, now that I understand the argument, I kinda agree.
"The bad art is WotC's fault" just kinda came out as "WotC art suxx." My apologies.
I certainly don't think all of the DLCS artists should be lumped as "third rate." Hello? Larry Elmore's Centaur? I thought the Brian Snoddy stuff was very well executed. Vinod's elves aren't everyone's cup of tea, but it reminded me of Tony DiTerlizzi's stuff. If I had to hazard a guess as to why the book looks the way it does, I would say "budget."
WotC only has one grab at the primary profits from DL this time around. Oh, I'm sure there's licensing agreement in there for all the books done by SovPress, but this is the only one acutally published by WotC, so the budget was probably minimal. Notice how the page borders are simply 3d versions of the old Saga books. And doesn't that heading font look a little dated nowadays? And apparently Dawn is having to do all of the RPG stuff nowadys since I've seen her name on just about everything. All of these little tipoffs tell me that WotC is trying to spread their resources as thinly as possible. Let's just be thankful the covers aren't warping anymore.
Originally posted by The White Sorcerer
Ah, now that I understand the argument, I kinda agree.
"The bad art is WotC's fault" just kinda came out as "WotC art suxx." My apologies.
Don't worry about it. ;)
If he didn't illustrate them, it's somebody with a very similar style.
Cheers,
Cam
It seems short to me because of one very large thing....You see that dragonlance pic at the side of EVERY page. If that was removed and the text extended do you realise how many MORE pages of dragonlance goodness could have been included? Like 40 or 60 by my estimation considering the pic takes up at least 1/4 of each page.
Why was this kind of page wasting material added?
And yes, I am in most cases comparing this book to the FRCS.
While I do love the DLCS I think the FRCS gives the most for your money (The HUGE amount of geography that was included has to be its top feature).
So any other thoughts??????
Originally posted by SlickBlade
I just noticed another thing that is severely wrong with the book!
It seems short to me because of one very large thing....You see that dragonlance pic at the side of EVERY page. If that was removed and the text extended do you realise how many MORE pages of dragonlance goodness could have been included? Like 40 or 60 by my estimation considering the pic takes up at least 1/4 of each page.
Why was this kind of page wasting material added?
And yes, I am in most cases comparing this book to the FRCS.
While I do love the DLCS I think the FRCS gives the most for your money (The HUGE amount of geography that was included has to be its top feature).
So any other thoughts??????
Pffft. Well...let's see...the border on the pages makes it look really elegant. Did you notice that there is little to no white space on any single page of the DLCS? There are no chapter beginning pages....I think when it comes down to it....aside from the lack of one big map and racial weapons (blame it on WotC) the book gives you everything you need to play a D&D game on Krynn. Perhaps a little moreso. Hence....the DLCS was worth every penny of the full cover price I paid for it.