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#1
Charles_Phipps
Aug 31, 2003 19:37:30 I'm thinking of a plotline where a villain steals blood from Raistlin where it was spilt and samples of Lady Chrysiana's hair and uses a wish spell to conjure forth a child from them.

He then intends to raise her to be a new vessel for a ressurected Takhasis

(or perhaps I'll use this as a past for Mina)

Any ideas for developing this?
#2
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2003 19:59:40 Wouldn't it be easier to assume that Raistlin and Chrysiana actually had a child as a result of their contact during the Legends Scenario? Though that would make it pretty old I guess and then I don't think that Chrysiana could be called a Revered Daughter anymore...

I guess the idea would work pretty well if one of the PCs were friends or offspring of Chrysiana, they might know or find out that the soul of the child is still within the vessel with Tahkesis and have to deal with the fact they would be killing the child's soul also. Perhaps if that same wizard was using his magic to manipulate Chrysiana (sending her visions of Raistlin and the like) to send her a little off the deep end. The story could work in a similar vein of the relationship between King Arthur and Mordred.

Perhaps the Sorceror just used his magic to 'appear' as Raistlin to Chrysiana after the Chaos War when she was more vulnerable after Paladine left Krynn (and her).

Just as thought, what other non-cannon 'offspring' have people used in their games? I know that we for one, have the illegitimate son of Sturm and Alhanna...

Arandur
#3
talinthas
Aug 31, 2003 20:30:05 Crysania.

please. get it right. it's written all over the place.
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2003 20:33:33 Hmmm, that's what I thought it was but I just figured I was wrong...

Again... ;)

Arandur
#5
Charles_Phipps
Sep 01, 2003 1:05:02 After Dragons of a Summer flame (and the awful 5th age books) I gave away every Dragonlance book I owned.

I lost complete interest in Dragonlance after Crysianna bagged her Tiger friend.

It mocked the tragic romance of Raistlin and her.

I did have some interesting storylines regarding the whole issue of the Heroes of the Lance and my characters over time.

For the longest time the players during were hunting down a secret society of powerful sorcerers who wielded seemingly unlimited power across Krynn from Taladas to Palanthas and one of the players, the mage was certain he was connected to them.

In truth it was revealed Raistlin mastered a variant "Clone Spell" and created a dozen or more clones of himself that he sent to research ways of gathering the magic of the gods without the interference of the moons.

When Raistlin gave up, the clones were granted independence and all decided to go renegade.

Another interesting character was Akkanas who was 3/4 elf raised outside elven lands with his twin sister and whom eventually rose to challenge the Queen of Darkness. In truth the character never did discover that he was Tanis Half-elvens offspring with the first elven maiden he ever made love to

She rewarded the half-elf for rescuing him but abandoned her children by him
#6
talinthas
Sep 01, 2003 1:51:43 what romance between raist and her? He used and abused her. there was no romance there.
#7
jonesy
Sep 01, 2003 2:25:29
Originally posted by Charles Phipps
It mocked the tragic romance of Raistlin and her.

Hmm.

ro·mance
a. A love affair.
b. Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love.
c. A strong, sometimes short-lived attachment, fascination, or enthusiasm for something.

I guess you could call it romance if you went by c.

But they never loved each other. Both said so.
#8
Charles_Phipps
Sep 01, 2003 4:03:17 Raistlin and Crysianna is in my mind the most passionate, strongest, truest love in my mind of the entire Dragonlance saga. To those who say otherwise...bah.

For Raistlin there was always magic and she started as a means to an end....a naive woman whom had no knowledge of the world whatsoever but her spoiled aristocrats.

For Crysianna Raistlin was evil incarnate that nevertheless was striking and charismatic.

Crysianna I think was the only woman that ever made Raistlin question his love for magic and I was deeply moved by it. The 'what might have been' was always strong for me with them....

The most romantic line of the saga for me?

"I dreamed of her"-Dragons of Summer flame

In my mind the entire book was drek but for this line.
I would have killed to see the conversation between her and Raistlin but we never did see it or even got confirmation it occurred

I hope it did though
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 8:49:32 C'mon, why don't you learn how to spell the name. I can understand if you get it wrong once, but you keep inventing new names for her
CRYSANIA
She' a pain in the ass, but she still deserves her name spelled right ;)

Love between Crysania and Raistlin? What make you think that. Really, it was many things, but not love. That's for sure.
#10
daedavias_dup
Sep 01, 2003 9:28:10 There was absolutely no love between them. They used each other. If you think that their love is the strongest out there you obviously haven't paid much attention relationships like Tanis and Laurana, Caramon and Tika, Riverwind and Goldmoon, heck even Porthios and Alhana loved each other more and theirs was a political marriage.

To be blunt, the likelihood of a child coming from their relationship is just about as likely as Flint picking up a hoopak and going out with Wanderlust. The clone-type idea is pretty unlikely if used as a past for Mina, since if she were their child, she would be pushing forty, not twenty.
#11
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 12:51:36 I don't like the idea of Crysania having a child with Raist. There was nothing to indicate something like that, it was enough with the secret sturm-kitiara child, I don't need another phoney "oh, it turns out these 2 heroes had a child" and noone knew type of deals. There is no way everyone would just overlook a pregnant Crysania, maybe she will have a kid with that guy she hooked up with... you know- what's his face....
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 13:03:33
Originally posted by Daedavias
There was absolutely no love between them. They used each other. If you think that their love is the strongest out there you obviously haven't paid much attention relationships like Tanis and Laurana, Caramon and Tika, Riverwind and Goldmoon, heck even Porthios and Alhana loved each other more and theirs was a political marriage.

Oh, you did NOT just forget gilthanas and Silvara.....
#13
Charles_Phipps
Sep 01, 2003 13:36:10 I hope that Tiger died within minutes of the end of Nightmoon! I hated that guy with a passion! He was fawning slime!

I make it a point in my campaigns out of sheer pettiness to say he died, often starting my campaigns with the players coming upon them and then Chaos creatures

:-)

As for Tika and Cameron I can't really respect that romance on terms of epicness. Tika's fidelity to Cameron even during the low point of his life raises my respect of it and Goldemoon/Riverwind's love that led him on a quest also....

But no other romance led exactly across the very realms of the gods....and while neither was doing it for the other (save perhaps Crysania for Raist) it was still a bond that I love beyond others.

Both couldn't love the other the way they deserved because their hearts were too full but the tragedy of both was enormously beautiful in my mind.

Like Cameron's brotherly love for Raistlin. Yet I don't see anyone mocking it.
#14
talinthas
Sep 01, 2003 15:35:37 shrug. its your campaign, man. do what you want.
#15
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 20:01:15 It is your time line and your campaign so do what you like, however, you also have to make it realistic, if not, then it may not be as fun. Did the War of Chaos happen in your world?
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 20:23:46 As for Raistlin and Crysania not 'getting' together and having a child, I think Raistlin was twisted enough to use whatever he had at his diposal to get Crysania to play her part, and if that involved seducing her then he would have done that too. Nothing would have gotten in the way ('cept Caramon...)

Nothing says your campaign past has to mirror the novels identically. If you have to reinvent certain ideas or tales to make the campaign work than go ahead. It's not like the Dragonlance setting doesn't already have it's share of 'Kender-tales', then this becomes just another on the list...

Arandur
#17
Ryltar_Swordsong
Sep 01, 2003 20:50:40
Originally posted by Cherizal
C'mon, why don't you learn how to spell the name. I can understand if you get it wrong once, but you keep inventing new names for her
CRYSANIA
She' a pain in the ass, but she still deserves her name spelled right ;)

Love between Crysania and Raistlin? What make you think that. Really, it was many things, but not love. That's for sure.

Originally posted by talinthas
Crysania.

please. get it right. it's written all over the place.

For cripes' sake, who cares? We all know who they mean.
#18
talinthas
Sep 01, 2003 20:59:54 cause its annoying as hell. why else bother correcting someone?
#19
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 21:09:12 too many alike Icons, hey Tal ...;)

Arandur
#20
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2003 21:18:45 HAHA! I don't think I can deal with this new cuddly Tal. MY BRAIN!
#21
talinthas
Sep 01, 2003 21:30:28 that amaron dude took Kith Kanan, and rather than be boorish and ask him to change, i switched myself to my fave pokemon =)

After all, the saying is "you must be the change you wish to see in others" ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Charles_Phipps Aug 31, 2003 19:37:30	I'm thinking of a plotline where a villain steals blood from Raistlin where it was spilt and samples of Lady Chrysiana's hair and uses a wish spell to conjure forth a child from them. He then intends to raise her to be a new vessel for a ressurected Takhasis (or perhaps I'll use this as a past for Mina) Any ideas for developing this?
#2 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2003 19:59:40	Wouldn't it be easier to assume that Raistlin and Chrysiana actually had a child as a result of their contact during the Legends Scenario? Though that would make it pretty old I guess and then I don't think that Chrysiana could be called a Revered Daughter anymore... I guess the idea would work pretty well if one of the PCs were friends or offspring of Chrysiana, they might know or find out that the soul of the child is still within the vessel with Tahkesis and have to deal with the fact they would be killing the child's soul also. Perhaps if that same wizard was using his magic to manipulate Chrysiana (sending her visions of Raistlin and the like) to send her a little off the deep end. The story could work in a similar vein of the relationship between King Arthur and Mordred. Perhaps the Sorceror just used his magic to 'appear' as Raistlin to Chrysiana after the Chaos War when she was more vulnerable after Paladine left Krynn (and her). Just as thought, what other non-cannon 'offspring' have people used in their games? I know that we for one, have the illegitimate son of Sturm and Alhanna... Arandur
#3 talinthas Aug 31, 2003 20:30:05	Crysania. please. get it right. it's written all over the place.
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2003 20:33:33	Hmmm, that's what I thought it was but I just figured I was wrong... Again... ;) Arandur
#5 Charles_Phipps Sep 01, 2003 1:05:02	After Dragons of a Summer flame (and the awful 5th age books) I gave away every Dragonlance book I owned. I lost complete interest in Dragonlance after Crysianna bagged her Tiger friend. It mocked the tragic romance of Raistlin and her. I did have some interesting storylines regarding the whole issue of the Heroes of the Lance and my characters over time. For the longest time the players during were hunting down a secret society of powerful sorcerers who wielded seemingly unlimited power across Krynn from Taladas to Palanthas and one of the players, the mage was certain he was connected to them. In truth it was revealed Raistlin mastered a variant "Clone Spell" and created a dozen or more clones of himself that he sent to research ways of gathering the magic of the gods without the interference of the moons. When Raistlin gave up, the clones were granted independence and all decided to go renegade. Another interesting character was Akkanas who was 3/4 elf raised outside elven lands with his twin sister and whom eventually rose to challenge the Queen of Darkness. In truth the character never did discover that he was Tanis Half-elvens offspring with the first elven maiden he ever made love to She rewarded the half-elf for rescuing him but abandoned her children by him
#6 talinthas Sep 01, 2003 1:51:43	what romance between raist and her? He used and abused her. there was no romance there.
#7 jonesy Sep 01, 2003 2:25:29	Originally posted by Charles Phipps It mocked the tragic romance of Raistlin and her. Hmm. ro·mance a. A love affair. b. Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love. c. A strong, sometimes short-lived attachment, fascination, or enthusiasm for something. I guess you could call it romance if you went by c. But they never loved each other. Both said so.
#8 Charles_Phipps Sep 01, 2003 4:03:17	Raistlin and Crysianna is in my mind the most passionate, strongest, truest love in my mind of the entire Dragonlance saga. To those who say otherwise...bah. For Raistlin there was always magic and she started as a means to an end....a naive woman whom had no knowledge of the world whatsoever but her spoiled aristocrats. For Crysianna Raistlin was evil incarnate that nevertheless was striking and charismatic. Crysianna I think was the only woman that ever made Raistlin question his love for magic and I was deeply moved by it. The 'what might have been' was always strong for me with them.... The most romantic line of the saga for me? "I dreamed of her"-Dragons of Summer flame In my mind the entire book was drek but for this line. I would have killed to see the conversation between her and Raistlin but we never did see it or even got confirmation it occurred I hope it did though
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 8:49:32	C'mon, why don't you learn how to spell the name. I can understand if you get it wrong once, but you keep inventing new names for her CRYSANIA She' a pain in the ass, but she still deserves her name spelled right ;) Love between Crysania and Raistlin? What make you think that. Really, it was many things, but not love. That's for sure.
#10 daedavias_dup Sep 01, 2003 9:28:10	There was absolutely no love between them. They used each other. If you think that their love is the strongest out there you obviously haven't paid much attention relationships like Tanis and Laurana, Caramon and Tika, Riverwind and Goldmoon, heck even Porthios and Alhana loved each other more and theirs was a political marriage. To be blunt, the likelihood of a child coming from their relationship is just about as likely as Flint picking up a hoopak and going out with Wanderlust. The clone-type idea is pretty unlikely if used as a past for Mina, since if she were their child, she would be pushing forty, not twenty.
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 12:51:36	I don't like the idea of Crysania having a child with Raist. There was nothing to indicate something like that, it was enough with the secret sturm-kitiara child, I don't need another phoney "oh, it turns out these 2 heroes had a child" and noone knew type of deals. There is no way everyone would just overlook a pregnant Crysania, maybe she will have a kid with that guy she hooked up with... you know- what's his face....
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 13:03:33	Originally posted by Daedavias There was absolutely no love between them. They used each other. If you think that their love is the strongest out there you obviously haven't paid much attention relationships like Tanis and Laurana, Caramon and Tika, Riverwind and Goldmoon, heck even Porthios and Alhana loved each other more and theirs was a political marriage. Oh, you did NOT just forget gilthanas and Silvara.....
#13 Charles_Phipps Sep 01, 2003 13:36:10	I hope that Tiger died within minutes of the end of Nightmoon! I hated that guy with a passion! He was fawning slime! I make it a point in my campaigns out of sheer pettiness to say he died, often starting my campaigns with the players coming upon them and then Chaos creatures :-) As for Tika and Cameron I can't really respect that romance on terms of epicness. Tika's fidelity to Cameron even during the low point of his life raises my respect of it and Goldemoon/Riverwind's love that led him on a quest also.... But no other romance led exactly across the very realms of the gods....and while neither was doing it for the other (save perhaps Crysania for Raist) it was still a bond that I love beyond others. Both couldn't love the other the way they deserved because their hearts were too full but the tragedy of both was enormously beautiful in my mind. Like Cameron's brotherly love for Raistlin. Yet I don't see anyone mocking it.
#14 talinthas Sep 01, 2003 15:35:37	shrug. its your campaign, man. do what you want.
#15 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 20:01:15	It is your time line and your campaign so do what you like, however, you also have to make it realistic, if not, then it may not be as fun. Did the War of Chaos happen in your world?
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 20:23:46	As for Raistlin and Crysania not 'getting' together and having a child, I think Raistlin was twisted enough to use whatever he had at his diposal to get Crysania to play her part, and if that involved seducing her then he would have done that too. Nothing would have gotten in the way ('cept Caramon...) Nothing says your campaign past has to mirror the novels identically. If you have to reinvent certain ideas or tales to make the campaign work than go ahead. It's not like the Dragonlance setting doesn't already have it's share of 'Kender-tales', then this becomes just another on the list... Arandur
#17 Ryltar_Swordsong Sep 01, 2003 20:50:40	Originally posted by Cherizal C'mon, why don't you learn how to spell the name. I can understand if you get it wrong once, but you keep inventing new names for her CRYSANIA She' a pain in the ass, but she still deserves her name spelled right ;) Love between Crysania and Raistlin? What make you think that. Really, it was many things, but not love. That's for sure. Originally posted by talinthas Crysania. please. get it right. it's written all over the place. For cripes' sake, who cares? We all know who they mean.
#18 talinthas Sep 01, 2003 20:59:54	cause its annoying as hell. why else bother correcting someone?
#19 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 21:09:12	too many alike Icons, hey Tal ...;) Arandur
#20 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 21:18:45	HAHA! I don't think I can deal with this new cuddly Tal. MY BRAIN!
#21 talinthas Sep 01, 2003 21:30:28	that amaron dude took Kith Kanan, and rather than be boorish and ask him to change, i switched myself to my fave pokemon =) After all, the saying is "you must be the change you wish to see in others" ;)