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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 21:11:32	I want to start off by saying that I am ecstatic that the DLCS was developed for 3.5. I think the book has very good content. However, is anyone esle a little disappointed with the finished published quality of the product? I think an illiterate could do a better job of proofreading the text. The typos seem to show up much more frequently than I remember seeing in any other D&D 3/3.5 text. Does anyone else feel slightly insulted about dishing out 40 bucks for a book that looks rushed and unpolished? At some point deadlines and quality have to meet, but I would hope that the folks involved with the production could take more pride in their work. I would be embarassed to write what I consider a final draft of something that contains so many obvious errors. I honestly can't believe some of these slipped through the cracks. Was this thing even proofread at all before they slapped a price tag on it? Maybe I am being too picky about a book that I am glad to have. Oh well, thats my two cents.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 21:45:43	Naw, I find errors ALL THE TIME in all DL books, its as if noone reads the book through before they send em out. Seriously man, I have heard this a million times... Kinda sad considering how many people would willingly do it for free...
#3 randpc Sep 01, 2003 22:01:26	Not quite insulted per say as I still love the book, and the content that is there is for the most part extremely good. I am inclined to agree the editing is extremely poor though, it's packed full of typos and other errors. In some parts it reverts back to D&D 3.0 stats and in a few respects skips necessary rules entirely. The omissions that they somehow didnt even notice until it went to press (Racial weapons, continental map etc) does certainly create the impression that the DLCS was rushed out on a deadline when it probably wasnt quite ready for release. As I said though, what is in the book is generally very good if you can get past the errors. Thankfully from what I've heard the Age of Mortals product has very few errors nad past Soverign press products were generally respectably regarded. Hopefully that's an indication that the issues with the DLCS are the exception rather then the norm. BTW- Check out 'Sword and First', now that book is probably the worst editing disaster I've seen from any WOTC published product.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2003 22:55:12	Originally posted by RandPC BTW- Check out 'Sword and First', now that book is probably the worst editing disaster I've seen from any WOTC published product. Please don't remind me. When asked why the Halfling Outrider didn't have a base attack bonus, the author said (paraphrasing), "We wanted to try something new." That was a really awful book.
#5 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 0:12:29	Originally posted by Slacker Please don't remind me. When asked why the Halfling Outrider didn't have a base attack bonus, the author said (paraphrasing), "We wanted to try something new." That was a really awful book. What are you talking about? The halfling outrider has a BAB that goes up by +1 every level.
#6 randpc Sep 02, 2003 0:53:13	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst What are you talking about? The halfling outrider has a BAB that goes up by +1 every level. There were mutiple printings of S&F. Later revisions fixed the errata from the much more widely distributed original printing. I would presume you evidently have one of the later printings. I purchased a second copy of S&F a few months back and all the errors from the initial revision were corrected in it.
#7 iltharanos Sep 02, 2003 0:53:51	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst What are you talking about? The halfling outrider has a BAB that goes up by +1 every level. No it doesn't. Unless they fixed that oversight in subsequent printings of Sword and Fist.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 1:00:27	Originally posted by iltharanos No it doesn't. Unless they fixed that oversight in subsequent printings of Sword and Fist. I am looking at the Halfling Outrider now and sure enough, there is a BAB, so it must be fixed now.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 1:03:55	Originally posted by waltheous At some point deadlines and quality have to meet, but I would hope that the folks involved with the production could take more pride in their work. Not only is the implication of your statement incorrect (that the DLCS designers didn't take pride in their fantastic work), but due to the fact that several of them read and post on these boards its also flat out rude.
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 1:47:29	Originally posted by Kai Lord Not only is the implication of your statement incorrect (that the DLCS designers didn't take pride in their fantastic work), but due to the fact that several of them read and post on these boards its also flat out rude. Yeah...I kinda felt that way as well, but I didnt say anything due to the whole freedom of opinion thing. However, now that I have had time to think about it...Come on.....I know these people spent ages on this, and it was something that they really cared about.....I just hate when someone plays armchair director. I think that constructive criticism is a good thing, but remarks like those are just plain mean....I cant express how bad I'd feel if what I had spent the past couple years working on was derided like that.....especially when for the most part it's the same people who were clamoring for it in the first place. For example.....the curse of the magi.....Several months ago I saw many people agree that they wanted to see that reflected in the DLCS for purposes of world flavor. Now they complain that it makes the wizards too weak....You just cant satisfy some people...I just did the character creation night for my first campaign using the DLCS and I gave the player, who by the way has never played a DL game before, let alone a wizard the choice....I illustrated it point blank....asked him what he thought and he said....Use the rule....It makes it more interesting....Gives my character a reason to hold back spells for times of need, and it also makes magic seem really specail because it is hard to perform. Now that is probably exactly what the designers wanted when they designed it....they werent trying to do anything but make it more interesting.
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 1:56:34	Originally posted by Kai Lord Not only is the implication of your statement incorrect (that the DLCS designers didn't take pride in their fantastic work), but due to the fact that several of them read and post on these boards its also flat out rude. It's the editiors being blamed here not the designers...
#12 randpc Sep 02, 2003 12:07:19	Originally posted by Apocalyp$e It's the editiors being blamed here not the designers... That's debateable, at least in terms of release date I would presume the designers would have had some control over that. In any case, I do think it's a little presumptuous to say they didnt take pride in their work. If only due to the fact that they've been extremely active in commenting on and discussing the DragonLance setting with fellow fans it would definitely seem they did ideed put great faith and pride in the product.
#13 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2003 21:22:43	Originally posted by RandPC That's debateable, at least in terms of release date I would presume the designers would have had some control over that. In any case, I do think it's a little presumptuous to say they didnt take pride in their work. If only due to the fact that they've been extremely active in commenting on and discussing the DragonLance setting with fellow fans it would definitely seem they did ideed put great faith and pride in the product. If writing books is anything like writing software then the writers have very little control over the deadline dates.
#14 rosisha Sep 07, 2003 22:32:48	Yeah I was about to say, usually the editors and publishers, the upper management people have all the say over deadlines, and this has caused plenty of problems in the past for every concievable type of book, and I'm pretty sure it will cause problems in the future. Now as a very poor writer, I can definitly sympathise with people who have great ideas, but have a hard time writing them, and I do have an editor who is a kindly person with a Red Pen +10/Never runs out of Ink... I loathe the pen. Anyway, in this case, and with the case of most of the 3.5 products I'm inclinded to blaim managment that wants to push the product out fast to make money on their investment. The reason I say this, is whether a person loves what they are writing or not (though it makes it easier), when you sit down and write anything over a small number of pages, errors will creep in, and no matter how many times you and your friends look at it, you don't catch them all, not even close. I'd say if its legible and you can make sense out of things, its good. I'd say that the publishers and managment should slow down a bit, let the market absorb what is on the shelves and put out some better quality: better editing, binding (3.0 PHB anyone?), and artwork! Rosisha