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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 8:04:31	I know that in the new Dragonlance setting moon-magic and primal magic aren't supposed to mix, since for a Wizard to practice sorcery would be a sign of disloyalty to the ways of the Robed Orders. However, would it be possible for a 4th-level Wizard, having failed the Test or electing not to take it, to turn his / her attention to the study of primal magic and begin advancing as a sorcerer, while retaining minor wizardly spellcasting powers? IIRC 1st and 2nd level wizard spells aren't restricted by the Gods of Magic, after all.
#2 cam_banks Sep 02, 2003 8:13:40	Originally posted by Twilight Herald I know that in the new Dragonlance setting moon-magic and primal magic aren't supposed to mix, since for a Wizard to practice sorcery would be a sign of disloyalty to the ways of the Robed Orders. However, would it be possible for a 4th-level Wizard, having failed the Test or electing not to take it, to turn his / her attention to the study of primal magic and begin advancing as a sorcerer, while retaining minor wizardly spellcasting powers? IIRC 1st and 2nd level wizard spells aren't restricted by the Gods of Magic, after all. The DLCS offers rules for changing focus, which means switching out levels in sorcerer or mystic for levels in wizard or cleric. The opposite is also true. This allows an explanation for why Palin or Goldmoon, who were both established spellcasters prior to the Chaos War (Palin not so much, but he'd at least taken the Test) were able to master the new magic and no longer have character levels in their old classes during the Age of Mortals. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 8:46:23	Thanks, Cam, that clears things up. On the topic of Palin, do you know whether he retains his powers of sorcery in theAge of Mortals character write-up? I recall that at upon his resurrection at the end of Vanished Moon he turned down the gods' offer of his old magic, but I've assumed he would still be a sorcerer of impressive ability.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 9:16:26	Originally posted by Twilight Herald he turned down the gods' offer of his old magic, but I've assumed he would still be a sorcerer of impressive ability. yeah, I think that was what they were trying to do... Palin will be the figurehead for those who don't follow the tenets of High Sorcery.... That would be cool, Palin being leader of the renegades...
#5 cam_banks Sep 02, 2003 9:22:17	Originally posted by Twilight Herald Thanks, Cam, that clears things up. On the topic of Palin, do you know whether he retains his powers of sorcery in theAge of Mortals character write-up? I recall that at upon his resurrection at the end of Vanished Moon he turned down the gods' offer of his old magic, but I've assumed he would still be a sorcerer of impressive ability. Nope, his caster level is 0, even though he's got many levels in spellcasting classes. If you wanted to ignore that, he'd still be a very capable sorcerer (albeit one that doesn't want to use his powers any longer, much like Kang). Cheers, Cam
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 13:31:44	Hmmmm....that was always one of the disappointing parts for me...DL without a powerful magic using Majere.....I know Ulin had some ability....but I never did find out what that was....At least when Palin gave up his magic it meant something though......That was one of the more emotional parts of DoaVM. Although.....I wonder what is in the future for Palin....perhaps he won't be able to live up to his conviction....only time will tell.....
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 13:34:05	Originally posted by Twilight Herald I know that in the new Dragonlance setting moon-magic and primal magic aren't supposed to mix, since for a Wizard to practice sorcery would be a sign of disloyalty to the ways of the Robed Orders. However, would it be possible for a 4th-level Wizard, having failed the Test or electing not to take it, to turn his / her attention to the study of primal magic and begin advancing as a sorcerer, while retaining minor wizardly spellcasting powers? IIRC 1st and 2nd level wizard spells aren't restricted by the Gods of Magic, after all. I just noticed this specifically.... Originally posted by Twilight Herald However, would it be possible for a 4th-level Wizard, having failed the Test or electing not to take it, to turn his / her attention to the study of primal magic Not if he failed the Test. If he failed....he's dead.
#8 cam_banks Sep 02, 2003 13:36:15	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst I just noticed this specifically.... You quoted that twice in one message, Serena. It's generally a good idea not to quote the entirety of somebody's post, especially if it's the one immediately before yours, or if you're only responding to one element of it. In this case, you could have just quoted the second chunk and not the rest. Cheers, Cam
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 13:38:32	Originally posted by Cam Banks You quoted that twice in one message, Serena. It's generally a good idea not to quote the entirety of somebody's post, especially if it's the one immediately before yours, or if you're only responding to one element of it. In this case, you could have just quoted the second chunk and not the rest. Cheers, Cam Good point....I know that...but I was having a hard time figuring out how to cut that chunk out of his post and still have it in the context it was meant. I try and I try....;)
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 16:48:24	Didn't Gilthanis fail the Test also? Arandur
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 17:17:17	Originally posted by Arandur Didn't Gilthanis fail the Test also? Arandur No....he did not fail the Test.....to fail the Test means death. I don' think he took it at all.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 17:30:19	Gilthanis was metioned in another thread as failing to pass the test. But your right it does state that to fail the test is to die. Probably just an oversight with the example... Admittedly I know very little of Gilthanis outside the original Chronicles. Perhaps he will crop up again in the AoM... Arandur
#13 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 17:33:35	Yes...Gilthanas is one of the two characters I want to see resurface....him and his big brother Porthios.
#14 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 02, 2003 17:40:15	You don't necessarily die if you fail the test. The son of a war mage from The Soulforge, who gave Raist his father's spellbooks, failed his test, for example. And he was quite alive when Raist met him.
#15 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 17:53:30	Yes....failing the test always means death. Lemuel never took his test. Time to blow the dust off my copy of The Soulforge. Page 207 of the Soulforge, and I qoute... Lemuel:"But then, when I was finally old enough to take the Test, the conclave wouldn't let me. Par-Salian told my father that it would be tantamount to murder." It has always been stated in nearly every product with text dealing with the Test of High Sorcery that if you fail the Test you die. The reason for this is to weed out those who are not dedicated enough to the magic to use it properly, or those whose irresponsible use of magic could harm the world, or worse harm the world's opinion of magic user's. Please....If you can find something concrete to show me that someone who takes the test has not died upon failure...let me see it....for it will be one of the biggest DL continuity errors of all time.
#16 marius4 Sep 02, 2003 18:06:16	Regarding low level wizards...DLCS pg. 53 under the Wizards section: "Knowledge of 1st- and 2nd-level spells is unrestricted." So if a 4th-level wizard decides to advance from then on as a fighter it's not a problem. But what if the 4th-level wizard wants to take future levels as a sorcerer and KEEP the wizard levels instead of converting them? Or keep the wizard levels and gain levels as a bard or other spontaneous caster? Is the difference in magic/focus-type strictly incompatible or does the unrestricted access rule hold sway? RPing-wise, a character might begin as a wizard and want to explore primal sorcery as a sorcerer or bard, but still hold on to the training of their childhood. What would you say to the player?
#17 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2003 23:10:27	FAILURE IN THE TEST IS TO DIE!!! I dont think that it is possble to mult-class as a Sorcerer Wizard in Dragonlance becasue of the restrictions laid down by the Towers.
#18 The_White_Sorcerer Sep 03, 2003 0:30:22	Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Lemuel:"But then, when I was finally old enough to take the Test, the conclave wouldn't let me. Par-Salian told my father that it would be tantamount to murder." My mistake, then. It's been a while since I read The Soulforge.
#19 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2003 0:37:18	Sorry to do a slam dance over your head White Sorcerer...but that is a major portion of DL...one of the biggies...I didnt want anyone to be mistaken on it...Everything all koolies?
#20 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2003 1:04:26	All things are possible Amaron. After all the wizards aren't exactly organized and out hunting renegades like they used to be. At least not in the current state of Krynn...unless I'm mistaken. Oh btw Page 73 of DLCS line 3 through 7 of column 1....FAILURE MEANS DEATH, for the wizards judge that it better that an unfocused or undisciplined student should die before achieving a position where his magic could harm innocent people. Capitalized words to draw attention and I hope thats ok to quote those few lines. It does pertain to the discussion at hand...and I saw Serena quote from the 'good book' earlier. :D